Dotson and a contract

[Allen2McVay]

I'd rather spend the 5 million to keep their starting OG

My point was just I don't know that the extra $5M for cutting Noteboom pre-June 1, really helps that much; and it hurts the OL-depth. Not a big Noteboom fan but he is a capable reserve at four positions if he needs to fill-in for a few games.

 

[Allen2McVay]

If we keep him at 20 mil for next season, how much dead money do we get hit with if we cut him in 2025?

As I read Noteboom's contract, he is not under contract after 2024.

2025 is a Void Year. It voids automatically, and the Rams take a cap hit of $10M in 2025. Another $5M in 2026.

Just like Whitworth had a cap hit to the Rams in 2022 and 2023.

 

[dieterbrock]

. Not a big Noteboom fan but he is a capable reserve at four positions if he needs to fill-in for a few games.

How capable is he though when he misses a ton of games every year? He's a fill in because he loses his starting spot every time he gets injured.
I'm more concerned with not needing reserves on the oline by having reliable starters. Paying an o-lineman 15 mill to be a reserve while letting a stud starting OG walk instead of paying him 17-18 mill is just insanity to me

 

[dieterbrock]

2025 is a Void Year. It voids automatically, and the Rams take a cap hit of $10M in 2025. Another $5M in 2026.

They'll take an entire 10 mill hit in '25, not year over year
Whit officially retired after June 1 which is why his hit was over 2 seasons

 

[Merlin]

Not sure what it is about Hunter that fails to impress me. His numbers are fine, the guy plays a ton of snaps but I never come away from watching the Vikes thinking wow this guy. But I've done that on several occasions with Allen.

But I would of course take either of them. Just feels to me like everyone in the league are going to be throwing money at the edge options, assuming of course they hit FA. Same goes for LT. That said the Rams should be at that stage now where top FAs at cornerstone positions consider them a top option. So maybe we go balls deep into those top positions in FA and try to hit a grand slam.

 

[Allen2McVay]

They'll take an entire 10 mill hit in '25, not year over year
Whit officially retired after June 1 which is why his hit was over 2 seasons

So it's $10M in 2025 but nothing in 2026?

OK. If accurate, that's a little better.

 

[dieterbrock]

So it's $10M in 2025 but nothing in 2026?

OK. If accurate, that's a little better.

30 mill of cap for 1 season of an unreliable, fill in o-lineman
And some folks wonder why we couldnt spend 5 mill on a kicker?

 

[Allen2McVay]

How capable is he though when he misses a ton of games every year? He's a fill in because he loses his starting spot every time he gets injured.
I'm more concerned with not needing reserves on the oline by having reliable starters. Paying an o-lineman 15 mill to be a reserve while letting a stud starting OG walk instead of paying him 17-18 mill is just insanity to me

I don't know that we are really disagreeing here.

I REALLY want Dotson back. We agree here ... Right?

I HATE the Noteboom contract. We also agree there ... Right?

I hope the Rams give Dotson a huge contract, and have mentioned the Packers' deal with Jenkins twice already as a comparable. That would be something along the lines of 4 years and $70M. That's an average of $17.5M-per-year. That's the same amount you proposed above ... Isn't it?

All I have been saying is that a Franchise Tag is not the way to go because it would be an $18M hit in 2024; and would limit the Rams from making some other additions. A four-year deal can be structured to keep the 2024 cap hit at around $7-$8M in 2024.

Are you saying (like my close person friend Giles) that you want the Rams to Franchise Tag Dotson?
If so, then we do disagree.

 

[Allen2McVay]

30 mill of cap for 1 season of an unreliable, fill in o-lineman
And some folks wonder why we couldn't spend 5 mill on a kicker?

Really can't figure out if you are disagreeing with me, or just angry about Noteboom's contract.

And, they had enough cap space to re-sign Matt Gay.

 

[dieterbrock]

Are you saying (like my close person friend Giles) that you want the Rams to Franchise Tag Dotson?
If so, then we do disagree.

Franchise him? Absolutely not.
Pay him what the market says his value is? Absolutely.
Bring Boom back when releasing him will save some valuable cap space? Abso-fricking-lutely NOT

 

[dieterbrock]

And, they had enough cap space to re-sign Matt Gay.

They did not, which is why he plays elsewhere

 

[dieterbrock]

Really can't figure out if you are disagreeing with me, or just angry about Noteboom's contract.

And, they had enough cap space to re-sign Matt Gay.

Im not angry in the slightest, just enjoy discussing the state of the Rams.
Are you angry? Not my intention at all.

 

[Ram Ts]

I want Dotson back. But only a reasonable contract. If too high, take the comp pick and go elsewhere. Get a good guard in draft or a more reasonable FA guard. Money better spent on pass rusher and CB.

 

[Allen2McVay]

Franchise him? Absolutely not.
Pay him what the market says his value is? Absolutely.
Bring Boom back when releasing him will save some valuable cap space? Abso-fricking-lutely NOT

So we agree on 1 and 2 but slightly disagree on 3 because I don't see the $5M as a huge benefit.

As far as I am concerned, we are still BFFs!

 

[Allen2McVay]

Im not angry in the slightest, just enjoy discussing the state of the Rams.
Are you angry? Not my intention at all.

No, just a little under the weather today ... getting old.

 

[Corbin]

More like 5 for 135 mill

Do it

For a 29 year old edge rusher?

However you might a dumb ass organization like the Browns or Jets or Raiders that do something like that. Don’t think Les would be open to something like that one bit.

 

[dieterbrock]

So we agree on 1 and 2 but slightly disagree on 3 because I don't see the $5M as a huge benefit.

As far as I am concerned, we are still BFFs!

Why is that in blue font? I have no issue with you, and frankly enjoy your takes.
5 mill "savings" is important *if* that can be applied to bridge whatever gap there is between signing Dotson or not. At the very least it covers the cost of Ajax RFA deal. If your 5 lineman play every game, there's no need for a highly paid utility o-lineman.
Its the same reason why they dont pay 5-10 mill for a backup QB

 

[OntarioRam]

I want Dotson back. But only a reasonable contract. If too high, take the comp pick and go elsewhere. Get a good guard in draft or a more reasonable FA guard. Money better spent on pass rusher and CB.

Not so sure the Rams can draft an effective replacement. We seem to have much better pro-level scouting (e.g. Corbett, Doctson) of offensive lineman recently than of collegiate-level offensive linemen (Avila notwithstanding). If we are going to the open market, might as well retain the player we know that works well in this blocking scheme. I agree the comp picks would be valuable though. It will be interesting to see what happens.

Noteboom needs to go after this upcoming season, unless he is willing to take a massive paycut. Having a guy make that much to sit on the bench will completely throw off the team's internal pay dynamics as futuer contracts come due. AJ Jackson will be looking to get paid, as all players do. But doubly so I bet because he had to watch Boom collecting all that money to play behind him at a position of huge need and demand league-wide in LT. This upcoming season though, I am not so sure cutting Noteboom helps much. For that much dead cap relative to cap space freed up, I think you're better off keeping him around for 1 more year for some high quality, very versatile depth.

 

[Allen2McVay]

30 mill of cap for 1 season of an unreliable, fill in o-lineman
...

One comment on the $30M ... for one season. I agree it is horrible.

The Rams are paying for 2022 and 2023.

I just took a look at Noteboom's cap hits for both seasons, and they were low ... just $3.5M in 2022 and $6.5M in 2023.
On his original extension following the Super Bowl, and the restructure last off-season to open-up 2023 cap space, the terms were set-up for low cap hits. That's especially true when you consider that at both times the Rams would have viewed Noteboom as a likely starter.

The cost for such low cap hits in 2022 and 2023 are the $20M in 2024 and another $10M in 2025.

We have both tried to warn other posters about being careful in wanting the Rams to do massive restructures because of the detriment in future years (we are wise Old Farts). The Noteboom deal and restructure could be termed a cautionary example.

 

[dieterbrock]

For a 29 year old edge rusher?

However you might a dumb ass organization like the Browns or Jets or Raiders that do something like that. Don’t think Les would be open to something like that one bit.

That's the market rate man. Because of his age the guaranteed money may be lighter. Sweat for 4 for 100, with 3/4 of it guaranteed and his production is marginal compared to Hunter.
3 for 60? Vikings would keep him if that was the ticket price.