Dotson and a contract

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I'm already on record the Rams will offer Dotson $5-$7M/yr on a 4 year deal with the 4th likely to be a void year. They are already looking at extending Shelton pretty much in that same range. This is why I see Noteboom's injury as being crucial in this equation. They can clear enough cap to sign both Dotson and Shelton if Joe is a post June 1 casualty.

That said, the market value for Dotson could be as high as $10/year. Remember it's all about the guaranteed money not the overall value of the contract. As pointed out, Kevin has already seen the razor-thin margin between being a starter and being trade bait. If he's smart he will take the long money and stay here with a good locker room and a scheme that fits his skillset. Less money but bigger guaranteed $$ makes all the difference in the world. Ultimately it will be his decision to make. Dotson knows this team will be a contender for the next few years and he only has to look at Austin Corbett and how he cashed in on the Super Bowl but has since been injury-plagued since. The value of being on a contender is important because now he's got a taste of playoff money over 3 years. Right now it's a tossup with Dotson, and will come down not only to the value of the offer the Rams make but its structure as well.

What is hard to calculate is how Dotson views his career. He's 28 right now so he's looking at one last full 4 year contract. Guys in that situation normally want to maximize their earnings over that final contract. He's made about $5M over his career to date. This last contract is the one that will set him up for after the NFL. You can't fault him for getting what he can when he can.

That's why if he was younger I'd say he would stay. But at his age playing on the OL where injuries are common, I don't expect the Rams to be willing to meet his expectations. Austin Corbett is a good example of how short an NFL career could be. Corbett was a lot younger but now his long-term prospects aren't good coming off of 2 injury-plagued years.

It's why realistically I'm expecting a change at RG with McClendon the likely starter in 2024. IMO the only real question is what the Rams will do at RT. $14.7M is a lot of money to pay a guy that couldn't hold up in the playoffs. It makes the 2021 season look more like an aberration than the rule. I've said it for years. The book on Havenstein is his slow feet are a liability in trying to stop a fast edge aligned in a wide 9. That's why I think the two candidates for the post-June 1 transaction are Havenstein and Noteboom combined would clear about $21M which would probably be the value of the entire OL this year.

It's what IMO McVay meant with his comment about continuity. It's one thing to have a change at one position, but two on the same side is a big deal. IMO if they are going to overpay Dotson or Havenstein, Dotson is younger and gives them a few more years of contract value.
 

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I’m absolutely blown away some are so Willing to pay Dotson 15-20M/year. Seriously that’s crazy talk. So much wrong with that.
 

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I’m absolutely blown away some are so Willing to pay Dotson 15-20M/year. Seriously that’s crazy talk. So much wrong with that.
I mean, 15-20 mil a year is a big variance. The people on here willing to pay him 15 vs the people willing to pay him 20 is a wide swath.
 

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My guess is that the Rams will try to sign Dotson prior to the beginning of free agency. And if they can't they'll probably make a run his former college teammate in Miami's RG Robert Hunt who might be a better bargain.
 

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IMO Shelton can be replaced in the draft but the Rams may want to keep him around for insurance. Bye bye Allen.
That's a good point. I'd like to keep at least one. Allen too expensive to be a backup.
 

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I mean, 15-20 mil a year is a big variance. The people on here willing to pay him 15 vs the people willing to pay him 20 is a wide swath.
Well crazy to me starts at 15 lol. Beyond that is even worse.
Personally, I wouldn’t allocate more than 7-10m maximum— and that’s only if my coaching staff is completely sold in him sustaining his 2023 effort/performance and improving on pass protection.
 

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I'd be fine with Dotson making around $12-15m per. Feels like giving him best guard in the NFL money would be a mistake though. Hopefully they can get that done.

Jackson I would tender round 1 value. Then see how he plays next season.
 

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I could see a back loaded $ 4/48 with a team option on year 4
 

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I'm already on record the Rams will offer Dotson $5-$7M/yr on a 4 year deal with the 4th likely to be a void year. They are already looking at extending Shelton pretty much in that same range. This is why I see Noteboom's injury as being crucial in this equation. They can clear enough cap to sign both Dotson and Shelton if Joe is a post June 1 casualty.

That said, the market value for Dotson could be as high as $10/year. Remember it's all about the guaranteed money not the overall value of the contract. As pointed out, Kevin has already seen the razor-thin margin between being a starter and being trade bait. If he's smart he will take the long money and stay here with a good locker room and a scheme that fits his skillset. Less money but bigger guaranteed $$ makes all the difference in the world. Ultimately it will be his decision to make. Dotson knows this team will be a contender for the next few years and he only has to look at Austin Corbett and how he cashed in on the Super Bowl but has since been injury-plagued since. The value of being on a contender is important because now he's got a taste of playoff money over 3 years. Right now it's a tossup with Dotson, and will come down not only to the value of the offer the Rams make but its structure as well.

What is hard to calculate is how Dotson views his career. He's 28 right now so he's looking at one last full 4 year contract. Guys in that situation normally want to maximize their earnings over that final contract. He's made about $5M over his career to date. This last contract is the one that will set him up for after the NFL. You can't fault him for getting what he can when he can.

That's why if he was younger I'd say he would stay. But at his age playing on the OL where injuries are common, I don't expect the Rams to be willing to meet his expectations. Austin Corbett is a good example of how short an NFL career could be. Corbett was a lot younger but now his long-term prospects aren't good coming off of 2 injury-plagued years.

It's why realistically I'm expecting a change at RG with McClendon the likely starter in 2024. IMO the only real question is what the Rams will do at RT. $14.7M is a lot of money to pay a guy that couldn't hold up in the playoffs. It makes the 2021 season look more like an aberration than the rule. I've said it for years. The book on Havenstein is his slow feet are a liability in trying to stop a fast edge aligned in a wide 9. That's why I think the two candidates for the post-June 1 transaction are Havenstein and Noteboom combined would clear about $21M which would probably be the value of the entire OL this year.

It's what IMO McVay meant with his comment about continuity. It's one thing to have a change at one position, but two on the same side is a big deal. IMO if they are going to overpay Dotson or Havenstein, Dotson is younger and gives them a few more years of contract value.
It’s post like this that make concerned about your wellbeing.
 

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I really have no idea what the market will really be.
I think the same list I was using suggested Baker Mayfield will get a two-year deal worth a total of $30 million. I think that's way low in this market.
For example.. if Atl can't land Cousins... wouldn't Mayfield be a fantastic alternative? He finds success throwing to big targets.. and Falcons have Pitts and Drake London. There would be no reason for them not to got to 30 million to fill that spot.

So.. speculating is fun and I'm all into it.. I just wonder how right the assumptions some writers have made are.
 

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There it is again, same completely false statement
Rob Havenstein WILL BE released by the Rams ... Say it ... Believe it ... Accept it ... It is beyond your control ...

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Where did you see this? :thinking:
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Lazy to pull up more but it’s not just based on the going market rates, there are so many factors that go into it the common fan doesn’t even think about.

Love of football for me and the deep dive into is more the GM/personal and scouting side of things. One of those lost life things like being a pilot I didn’t steer in that direction. Fascinating how the successful ones consistently make the right decisions.

To lazy to find more. lol Find some really good stuff years ago.
 

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My guess is that the Rams will try to sign Dotson prior to the beginning of free agency. And if they can't they'll probably make a run his former college teammate in Miami's RG Robert Hunt who might be a better bargain.

Honestly, I agree with Robert Hunt being a better and younger bargain - and in my opinion, I think he's a better option than Dotson. Definitely adding him to my mock.
 

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Honestly, I agree with Robert Hunt being a better and younger bargain - and in my opinion, I think he's a better option than Dotson. Definitely adding him to my mock.
Believe Hunt is one month older than Dotson. Dotson calls Hunt 'Sir'.
 

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Believe Hunt is one month older than Dotson. Dotson calls Hunt 'Sir'.
Hmm...lemme look...well, shit, you're right, my bad, haha! It's weird; I thought that he was a younger teammate for some reason, but they were in the same draft. Still, I think Hunt's had a better track record than Dotson.
 

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Honestly, I agree with Robert Hunt being a better and younger bargain - and in my opinion, I think he's a better option than Dotson. Definitely adding him to my mock.
Isn't he lighter in the britches and more of a zone guy? Not sure he fits our new gap scheme.