Don't over-think it, It's time to start rookie QB Jared Goff

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Stats don't tell the whole story. However, I just wish Fisher would let Goff play. Keenum just isn't offering a high enough level of play.

I agree. I don't think Goff will come in and light it up right away, though. I think we're gonna see a lot of what I'm putting into the all-22 thread from him as well. I still agree with the approach Fisher is taking by letting Goff get comfortable with the offense before he goes in and plays, but it might be time to let him run with the 1's in practice from here on out. I also think this offense, as vapid as it is, is pretty complicated from a nomenclature standpoint.

 

[jrry32]

I agree. I don't think Goff will come in and light it up right away, though. I think we're gonna see a lot of what I'm putting into the all-22 thread from him as well. I still agree with the approach Fisher is taking by letting Goff get comfortable with the offense before he goes in and plays, but it might be time to let him run with the 1's in practice from here on out. I also think this offense, as vapid as it is, is pretty complicated from a nomenclature standpoint.

Probably not. He's a rookie. But he'll get better and better. The team is capable of carrying him right now.

 

[JIMERAMS]

so, is this were Case is?


That's what he said X....no amount of banter is gonna change it....LOLOLOL
wait a minute?!? You doubted my expert, practice analysis????? You didn't believe in Brian Quick either??????


@jakebogen95

preaching to the choir my man...keep fighting the good fight...when Goff DOES play...that's for YOU mr -X-, they'll all see your wisdom...talent is talent...cream rises to the top...the guy is hurting that...they ACTUALLY BELIEVE that he's no better than Case Keenum...

and really...Fish, Snead, Boras, Weinke, hell anybody that has seen these two side by side throw the ball, is completely wrong if they don't think Goff is not only better, but is a superior option as far as winning games....The same way Case has gotten better(hard to be worse than game 1) Goff will get better...and much better...

Britt needs a Goff.....Quick REALLY needs a Goff...Tavon is handcuffed without a Goff....Gurley is about to get knocked out without a Goff....Hell, play da man....prove US...the fans...the ones that buy the damn jerseys, wrong...

This is becoming a pride thing...sorta like me...every time I see a QB thread, I can't wait to voice my opinion on who should be, shoulda been starting at QB for my beloved RAMS....and it's a damn shame a team like Buffalo can sneak outta the Coliseum with a damn win because of careless, inept play at the most crucial position on the field....
16-16....3rd quarter....team feeling good...moving...that point right there...PROVES...this guy isn't the game manager he was put out to be....he helped LOSE the game....I guess none of you Keenum apologist care about that....

Wait What????? I've been a quick supporter all year haha love the guy

 

[fearsomefour]

Poorly worded....watching these games...my Dodgers are in trouble....

I was trying to say, that Goff...lifetime starter....never road the pine (lucky devil)...never been told, naw, I wanna go with this OTHER QB.....I believe Goff has to be psychologically hurting that people think he can't get the job done.. That he's not better than Keenum.....When he watches a game, does he have that, "put me IN coach attitude?" Is he engaged? Looks like he's sitting back, kinda, like, well, I can't help...I better be quiet and try to learn...At least, that's how it looks....I'm hoping it hasn't killed his confidence....He should be chomping at the bit to PROVE, man I woulda hit that throw...I woulda side stepped that pressure...he should be really ready to take his spot...

If he can't handle a little set back like not starting out of the gate he was not going to be able to hack it anyway.
He has had a lot of success and has, thankfully, dealt with losing before.
Unrelated, heard a really good podcast interview of Ryan Leaf by Adam Carola. Good interview.

 

[JKBOGEN]

so, is this were Case is?


That's what he said X....no amount of banter is gonna change it....LOLOLOL
wait a minute?!? You doubted my expert, practice analysis????? You didn't believe in Brian Quick either??????


@jakebogen95

preaching to the choir my man...keep fighting the good fight...when Goff DOES play...that's for YOU mr -X-, they'll all see your wisdom...talent is talent...cream rises to the top...the guy is hurting that...they ACTUALLY BELIEVE that he's no better than Case Keenum...

and really...Fish, Snead, Boras, Weinke, hell anybody that has seen these two side by side throw the ball, is completely wrong if they don't think Goff is not only better, but is a superior option as far as winning games....The same way Case has gotten better(hard to be worse than game 1) Goff will get better...and much better...

Britt needs a Goff.....Quick REALLY needs a Goff...Tavon is handcuffed without a Goff....Gurley is about to get knocked out without a Goff....Hell, play da man....prove US...the fans...the ones that buy the damn jerseys, wrong...

This is becoming a pride thing...sorta like me...every time I see a QB thread, I can't wait to voice my opinion on who should be, shoulda been starting at QB for my beloved RAMS....and it's a damn shame a team like Buffalo can sneak outta the Coliseum with a damn win because of careless, inept play at the most crucial position on the field....
16-16....3rd quarter....team feeling good...moving...that point right there...PROVES...this guy isn't the game manager he was put out to be....he helped LOSE the game....I guess none of you Keenum apologist care about that....

I'll be honest with you I am 100% a Carson Wentz fan. You remember my content where I was favoring Wentz. I even have a big board where he's #2 overall behind Tunsil. However, I had Goff at #6 and he wasn't just picked #1 for no reason. Today he turns 22 so he's now one year younger than Wentz. The Keenum apologists are really laughable to me. This dude is the luckiest SOB I have ever seen. LOL you think if Sam Bradford and Austin Davis had the team that he has they would have thrown more INTs than TDs? They would have thrown away the game? They would have had to have been carried from the word go? No! It's preposterous Keenum is sooo average AT BEST it's just getting on my nerves. He gets all this support from fans that think sitting Goff is the way to go.

Well guess what? I watched Goff all throughout Hard Knocks and one thing I noticed immediately is that Goff is a hands on learner. Go back and watch if you don't think so. Goff needs to do things and be told what he did and or didn't do wrong. This isn't Brett Favre starting and Goff watching no, this is Jared Goff watching Case Keenum make rookie mistakes at the age of 28. He's not a young guy like Trevor Siemian (who by the way was picked 4 rounds after Mannion and Mannion has still never started for a team with a piss poor bunch of QBs, but I digress). Keenum is no different than Shaun Hill however, Hill wasn't atrociously bad. Keenum has no idea what he's doing in the red zone. It's time guys I mean I only take half of the hate with a grain of salt cause clearly the majority don't read my articles before they smash. Goff had ONE drive with the 1st teamers (shows you how much Fisher knows about offensive development). What did he do (oh and that drive was without Gurley, Tavon, Kendricks and even Benny might I add). He went down the field and threw a beautiful touchdown to Kenny Britt. The velocity and the ball placement was something else. Goff is going to be good but it's time to stop bowing down to mediocrity and roll the dice on greatness. What makes any of you think he can't do anything the two rookies are doing right now? Wentz didn't even throw a touchdown in preseason but he did throw an interception and broke his ribs...Only to get on the field week one and amaze many. You need to stop this BS narrative that he's not ready. You don't know he's not ready. Mannion has probably been ready and he was even reported to have outplayed Keenum and Goff all training camp yet hes #3 on the depth chart. Maybe you need to look at Fisher's (who I don't even hate) track record. I'm tired of the Keenum support its just cause you guys haven't seen 3-1 since 2006 and now you think Keenum magically has something to do with that. Nope, definitely not the fact the defense has only gotten better over time and yes, eventually the Rams are going to become a Super Bowl contender. Keenum is the luckiest QB in the last 10 years. Averaged 152 yards last year and didn't really have to do anything but all anyone says is look how well he did against TB. They don't mention how he costed us the game vs Baltimore with his fumbling (which Austin Davis was crucified for). Keenum isn't a savior he's just there because Fisher is being an idiot and won't start Goff.

 

[JKBOGEN]

WOW we have had a rough last 3 years at QB... Hopefully Case can hold court and not loose these next 2 games by being safe or careless for that matter...

Austing went 2-3 his first 5 games but a had better TD/INT Ratio than Foles/Keenum

Austin Davis first 5 games in 2014

9 TD.. 3 INT.. 2 Pick 6's.. at least 2 fumbles returned for TD's

1.. 22/29 235 yards 0 TD.. 0 INT
2.. 30/42 327 yards 3 TD.. 2 INT 1 for a pick 6
3.. 29/49 375 yards 3 TD.. 0 INT
4.. 21/42 236 yards 1 TD.. 1 INT pick 6
5.. 17/20 155 yards 2 TD.. 0 INT

With a slumping defense, horrible OC and no running game to speak of...

 

[JKBOGEN]

Some good stuff in your article. I agree our receivers are better than anyone thought they get open quite often But Austin Davis ? Come on he is worse than Keenum.

There is no way Austin Davis with a slumping defense that didn't get a sack until week 6, no running game and brian schottenheimer is worse than Keenum who sat behind Davis until Gurley came to town, their defense got better and they fired schottenheimer...

 

[JKBOGEN]

I was with you jake until you said this. Foles was so bad I refused to watch any more games while he was starting. And it was costing me $12 per game whether I watched them or not because I had Gamepass. And I hate wasting money.

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I hate Foles man don't think I like him but Foles is better than Keenum. Regardless they both are terrible and I can't go into details. Need to watch some Carson Wentz and Dak Prescott tape to cleanse my soul

 

[jrry32]

I hate Foles man don't think I like him but Foles is better than Keenum. Regardless they both are terrible and I can't go into details. Need to watch some Carson Wentz and Dak Prescott tape to cleanse my soul

Foles is a tougher call than Davis. I really didn't like Foles. But Cignetti's scheme was awful. Our passing concepts and schemes this year are far better. If you substituted Keenum and Foles (so that Foles was starting this year while Keenum started last year), I could see Foles being superior.

There is no way Austin Davis with a slumping defense that didn't get a sack until week 6, no running game and brian schottenheimer is worse than Keenum who sat behind Davis until Gurley came to town, their defense got better and they fired schottenheimer...

Austin Davis was as bad, if not worse.

 

[Corbin]

I'll be honest with you I am 100% a Carson Wentz fan. You remember my content where I was favoring Wentz. I even have a big board where he's #2 overall behind Tunsil. However, I had Goff at #6 and he wasn't just picked #1 for no reason. Today he turns 22 so he's now one year younger than Wentz. The Keenum apologists are really laughable to me. This dude is the luckiest SOB I have ever seen. LOL you think if Sam Bradford and Austin Davis had the team that he has they would have thrown more INTs than TDs? They would have thrown away the game? They would have had to have been carried from the word go? No! It's preposterous Keenum is sooo average AT BEST it's just getting on my nerves. He gets all this support from fans that think sitting Goff is the way to go.

Well guess what? I watched Goff all throughout Hard Knocks and one thing I noticed immediately is that Goff is a hands on learner. Go back and watch if you don't think so. Goff needs to do things and be told what he did and or didn't do wrong. This isn't Brett Favre starting and Goff watching no, this is Jared Goff watching Case Keenum make rookie mistakes at the age of 28. He's not a young guy like Trevor Siemian (who by the way was picked 4 rounds after Mannion and Mannion has still never started for a team with a pee pee poor bunch of QBs, but I digress). Keenum is no different than Shaun Hill however, Hill wasn't atrociously bad. Keenum has no idea what he's doing in the red zone. It's time guys I mean I only take half of the hate with a grain of salt cause clearly the majority don't read my articles before they smash. Goff had ONE drive with the 1st teamers (shows you how much Fisher knows about offensive development). What did he do (oh and that drive was without Gurley, Tavon, Kendricks and even Benny might I add). He went down the field and threw a beautiful touchdown to Kenny Britt. The velocity and the ball placement was something else. Goff is going to be good but it's time to stop bowing down to mediocrity and roll the dice on greatness. What makes any of you think he can't do anything the two rookies are doing right now? Wentz didn't even throw a touchdown in preseason but he did throw an interception and broke his ribs...Only to get on the field week one and amaze many. You need to stop this BS narrative that he's not ready. You don't know he's not ready. Mannion has probably been ready and he was even reported to have outplayed Keenum and Goff all training camp yet hes #3 on the depth chart. Maybe you need to look at Fisher's (who I don't even hate) track record. I'm tired of the Keenum support its just cause you guys haven't seen 3-1 since 2006 and now you think Keenum magically has something to do with that. Nope, definitely not the fact the defense has only gotten better over time and yes, eventually the Rams are going to become a Super Bowl contender. Keenum is the luckiest QB in the last 10 years. Averaged 152 yards last year and didn't really have to do anything but all anyone says is look how well he did against TB. They don't mention how he costed us the game vs Baltimore with his fumbling (which Austin Davis was crucified for). Keenum isn't a savior he's just there because Fisher is being an idiot and won't start Goff.

Dude your out of your skull. I guarantee if you put in Mannion right now he'd do comparable to quite a bit better than Keenum, and better what Goff would play. However if we started Goff now I could see him really coming together week 11 or week 12.

The only reason Mannion hasn't played is he got Goff'd last season and no way he playing this year with the # 1 pick in the room. Not to mention Fisher's man crushes on half ass QB's.

 

[jrry32]

Dude your out of your skull. I guarantee if you put in Mannion right now he'd do comparable to quite a bit better than Keenum, and better what Goff would play. However if we started Goff now I could see him really coming together week 11 or week 12.

The only reason Mannion hasn't played is he got Goff'd last season and no way he playing this year with the # 1 pick in the room. Not to mention Fisher's man crushes on half ass QB's.

This board has an unhealthy obsession with Mannion. He's not a good QB. He's not sitting on the bench because Fisher hates him. He's sitting on the bench because he's worse than Keenum.

 

[shaunpinney]

I also think this offense, as vapid as it is, is pretty complicated from a nomenclature standpoint.

Does it really need to be? Are they trying to be clever for clever's sake? Could the whole thing be streamlined?

 

[shaunpinney]

lol. No touch now?

Would you like to see a video of Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady doing the same thing?
And don't come at me with their resumes. I'm talking about missing a deep throw on occasion.

Case's completion percentage is actually higher than Rodgers this season so far and he's thrown 200+ yards more too... just saying...

 

[-X-]

Does it really need to be? Are they trying to be clever for clever's sake? Could the whole thing be streamlined?

It's just a hunch. I could be wrong. I was just remembering Keenum's wife quizzing him in their kitchen about the playbook. They can draw plays in the dirt with their finger for all i care. Just score some more points.

 

[shaunpinney]

I'll be honest with you I am 100% a Carson Wentz fan. You remember my content where I was favoring Wentz. I even have a big board where he's #2 overall behind Tunsil. However, I had Goff at #6 and he wasn't just picked #1 for no reason. Today he turns 22 so he's now one year younger than Wentz. The Keenum apologists are really laughable to me. This dude is the luckiest SOB I have ever seen. LOL you think if Sam Bradford and Austin Davis had the team that he has they would have thrown more INTs than TDs? They would have thrown away the game? They would have had to have been carried from the word go? No! It's preposterous Keenum is sooo average AT BEST it's just getting on my nerves. He gets all this support from fans that think sitting Goff is the way to go.

Well guess what? I watched Goff all throughout Hard Knocks and one thing I noticed immediately is that Goff is a hands on learner. Go back and watch if you don't think so. Goff needs to do things and be told what he did and or didn't do wrong. This isn't Brett Favre starting and Goff watching no, this is Jared Goff watching Case Keenum make rookie mistakes at the age of 28. He's not a young guy like Trevor Siemian (who by the way was picked 4 rounds after Mannion and Mannion has still never started for a team with a pee pee poor bunch of QBs, but I digress). Keenum is no different than Shaun Hill however, Hill wasn't atrociously bad. Keenum has no idea what he's doing in the red zone. It's time guys I mean I only take half of the hate with a grain of salt cause clearly the majority don't read my articles before they smash. Goff had ONE drive with the 1st teamers (shows you how much Fisher knows about offensive development). What did he do (oh and that drive was without Gurley, Tavon, Kendricks and even Benny might I add). He went down the field and threw a beautiful touchdown to Kenny Britt. The velocity and the ball placement was something else. Goff is going to be good but it's time to stop bowing down to mediocrity and roll the dice on greatness. What makes any of you think he can't do anything the two rookies are doing right now? Wentz didn't even throw a touchdown in preseason but he did throw an interception and broke his ribs...Only to get on the field week one and amaze many. You need to stop this BS narrative that he's not ready. You don't know he's not ready. Mannion has probably been ready and he was even reported to have outplayed Keenum and Goff all training camp yet hes #3 on the depth chart. Maybe you need to look at Fisher's (who I don't even hate) track record. I'm tired of the Keenum support its just cause you guys haven't seen 3-1 since 2006 and now you think Keenum magically has something to do with that. Nope, definitely not the fact the defense has only gotten better over time and yes, eventually the Rams are going to become a Super Bowl contender. Keenum is the luckiest QB in the last 10 years. Averaged 152 yards last year and didn't really have to do anything but all anyone says is look how well he did against TB. They don't mention how he costed us the game vs Baltimore with his fumbling (which Austin Davis was crucified for). Keenum isn't a savior he's just there because Fisher is being an idiot and won't start Goff.

Fisher loves Keenum, there is definitely a bromance there, there's not much we can do about it really. Personally, I wasn't fussed on this year's QB class, if I'm totally honest I thought Mannion was going to be our guy, I had him quite high on my board and was well pleased when the Rams chose him, he reminded me a bit of Drew Brees so I thought with the right QB coach and some good receivers from the draft we had our guy for the future. The future is Goff apparently, until he starts playing (and winning) lets just get behind the guy under centre right now.

 

[jrry32]

Case's completion percentage is actually higher than Rodgers this season so far and he's thrown 200+ yards more too... just saying...

Shall we mention that Rodgers has played one less game and that Rodgers has 11 TDs to 4 TOs in 4 games compared to Keenum's 4 TDs to 6 TOs in 5 games?

 

[Athos]

Shall we mention that Rodgers has played one less game and that Rodgers has 11 TDs to 4 TOs in 4 games compared to Keenum's 4 TDs to 6 TOs in 5 games?

Production in points > Empty stat lines of yards and completions not amounting to much any day of the week.

 

[Boston Ram]

At this point I think it's just plain, old fashioned stubbornness. Fisher anointed Keenum the starter in preseason, made it his job to lose, and let him soak up almost all the reps with the #1's. And now he's doubling down on that.

Your probably right and if that is the case it's pretty scary.

 

[Corbin]

This board has an unhealthy obsession with Mannion. He's not a good QB. He's not sitting on the bench because Fisher hates him. He's sitting on the bench because he's worse than Keenum.

That same logic states that Goff is not a good QB because he's sitting the bench because of Keenum. Stahp.

 

[jrry32]

That same logic states that Goff is not a good QB because he's sitting the bench because of Keenum. Stahp.

Goff is a rookie. And that's not my "logic." That's my explanation of why he's not playing. My "logic" is that he's not a good QB and that opinion comes from watching him play.