Do any of the Coaches getting Fired interest you as possible candidates for Assistant Coaching Positions for the Rams?

[Pancake]

IMO there is nobody out there that just got fired that is worthwhile that is taking anything other than a HC job.

I think you guys are delusional.

Some people in this world really are delusional. Therefor I am offended that used the word in any other way. You have been reported.

 

[Ramlock]

Perhaps Waldron becomes the voice people think McVay needs but I don't think we'll see somebody with an OC, or in Callahan's case both that and a HC, background come in to be a mouth piece for McVay.

Agreed.

I could see an older coach, similar to a Mike Shanahan-type, to come in as an offensive consultant.

No one comes to mind.

Callahan is a working asst. HC type and I believe he would be offered better jobs with more responsibilities than McVay’s OC-in-name-only.

 

[Merlin]

Not sure I fire Waldron and look for a new QB Coach bring in Callahan as OC & return Kromer to OL Coach the title that he held when LaFleur was here.

Waldron needs to go. This is the NFL and when you're not up to snuff you get walking papers. He has the stench of failure on him from both his areas of responsibility. Fisch needs to go too, that stench is on both of them tbh.

Whoever they bring in on offense needs to be very good at protections and teaching them to the QB. Goff had more responsibility in protections this year and it effed with his head.

 

[den-the-coach]

I totally get what you're saying and I have two issues with it or rather things that I disagree about it.

I'm not the only one...


Rich Hammond piece on re-hiring a Ram OC

Calif. — Even one of history’s greatest bands couldn’t get by without a little help from its friends. So there’s no shame in scrolling through your list of contacts, Sean McVay.

The Rams need an offensive coordinator. A full-time, full-fledged one. Not a run-game coordinator or a pass-game coordinator or whatever role that an “assistant coordinator/offense” fills. McVay can, and should, retain offensive play-calling duties in 2020, but he needs another voice — and a strong one.

McVay, the Rams’ offensive architect and play-caller, hasn’t employed a traditional coordinator since Matt LaFleur left almost two years ago. Over the past 12 months, it’s become increasingly clear that McVay could benefit from a little more help from a staffer who isn’t also a position coach, someone who can watch the game with more of a calm detachment and gently guide McVay in the right direction.

The Rams’ regression on offense this season — and, more notably, the lack of a consistent identity — make it clear that something needs to change. Is McVay prepared to make a proactive move?

“You’re always evaluating,” McVay said this week. “The one thing, for myself in this role, is you’re constantly evaluating all the elements that this role entails. You always want to continue to do it at a high level. The way you do get better is, you surround yourself with people that are better than you.”

Precisely. And that’s why someone — ideally a veteran coach — needs to be in McVay’s ear, not only during early-week strategy planning but also at halftime, or even in the middle of the first quarter, when in-game adjustments are imperative. McVay and the Rams aren’t far off here — this isn’t a disastrous offense, even though things sometimes look grim — but a little help can go a long way.

McVay is one of only three NFL head coaches who does not employ an offensive coordinator. That’s not necessarily a red flag. The other two are McVay’s fellow young-gun NFC West coaches, San Francisco’s Kyle Shanahan and Arizona’s Kliff Kingsbury, and the 49ers are enjoying a fantastic offensive season.

But the Rams are not. Independent of personnel issues — and there have been many — the offense has been inconsistent and slow to adjust. Opposing defenses, tired of getting steamrolled in 2017 and 2018, have flooded the Rams’ offense with different looks than they show on film and with multiple looks within games.

It’s lazy and inaccurate to say McVay has been “figured out.” Coaching requires constant adjustments, from season to season, week to week and even series to series. That’s not easy, and McVay has a lot on his plate. It’s not a failure to admit that he could benefit from some assistance.

For evidence, look no further than last Sunday’s dismal 44-21 loss at Dallas. The Rams’ first drive — which often is scripted before the game — was solid, with a mix of runs and play-action passes. The Rams ultimately punted from midfield but looked to have established some momentum. From there, though, they increasingly went away from the run and the types of roll-out plays that had helped quarterback Jared Goff get into a rhythm in previous games.

The Rams became more predictable and one-dimensional on offense. Todd Gurley had one rushing yard at halftime. (It’s also fair to re-raise the question of Gurley’s health status and how much McVay truly can use him, given that Gurley does not look dynamic even when he is fed the ball.)

Beyond all that, the point here is not to ridicule McVay, paint him as a bad coach or blame him entirely — or even primarily — for the Rams’ underachievement. In fact, there have been some clear positives.

At the start of this season, McVay got handed an offense that included a revamped, unproven offensive line and a running back with some type of load-management plan. More recently, McVay also engineered excellent plans for games against Chicago and Seattle and has been unwavering as a leader.

None of those things should be ignored. McVay’s offensive mind is sharp. He doesn’t turn 34 until next month, so it’s natural that there would be some growing pains in his head-coaching career. Everything remains in place for McVay to turn this around, assuming the Rams make some smart personnel moves. Plus, it’s not a nightmare. The Rams rank in the top half of the league in both points and yards.

It’s clearly not the same, though. The Rams have exceeded 30 points in only three of 14 games this season, even though, with some notable exceptions, the defense is improved. In 2017 and 2018, the Rams topped 30 points in 21 of their 32 regular-season games. So what has changed?

After his hiring in 2017, McVay brought in LaFleur as his offensive coordinator, and the Rams led the NFL with an average of 29.9 points per game. LaFleur left to become the Tennessee Titans’ coordinator, with a chance to call plays, which was a good, understandable move that helped LaFleur get hired as Green Bay’s head coach a year later (the Packers sit atop the NFC North in his first season).

Instead of hiring a new coordinator, McVay named tight ends coach Shane Waldron as his pass-game coordinator and offensive line coach Aaron Kromer as his run-game coordinator. By all accounts, things worked fine, as the Rams in 2018 totaled more points and yards than they did with LaFleur.

There were warning signs, though, particularly late in the season and in the Super Bowl, when opposing defenses enjoyed increasing success against the Rams. McVay stayed with his staff and elevated Jedd Fisch, who had assisted McVay with timeouts and clock management, to “assistant coordinator/offense.”

Early in the 2019 season, teams continued to give the Rams new and varied defensive looks. The Rams have been slow to adjust, and it’s hard to see how that isn’t complicated by the fact that McVay takes such ownership of the offense while also managing all other aspects of the team.

Yes, Kromer, Waldron and Fisch help, but they also have other responsibilities. It isn’t ridiculous to think the Rams would benefit from adding someone to assist offensive overview beyond Fisch’s analysis. Plus, Fisch might be on the move, as Bruce Feldman of The Athletic recently mentioned him as a candidate for the Florida Atlantic job.

“We’ve got a lot of good people here,” McVay said, “but I think it’s always continuing to find that good balance of, what does it look like structurally — really, for our organization in terms of that setup — and we want to be able to get the best people here. I think you’re always looking at those things, but I feel really good about what our group has done, if you’re asking about that.”

No, that’s not it. Kromer, Waldron and Fisch are not bad coaches. The suggestion is that they could be supplemented, not replaced. If 29 teams have a full-time coordinator, why can’t the Rams?

For some interesting perspective, McVay need only turn to his defensive coordinator.

Wade Phillips had three stints as an NFL head coach. In Denver in 1993-94, he employed Charlie Waters as defensive coordinator. In Buffalo from 1998 to 2000, he had Ted Cottrell. In 2007, when Phillips got hired in Dallas, he hired then-San Diego Chargers defensive backs coach Brian Stewart as his coordinator. Phillips, one of the great defensive minds in league history, clearly still ran the unit, but he had help.

The Cowboys fired Stewart after Phillips’ second season and did not replace him. Phillips ran the defense himself in 2009, and it thrived as Dallas allowed the second-fewest points in the league. But it didn’t last. In 2010, the Cowboys allowed an average of 29.0 points in their first eight games. Phillips got fired.

“I thought it was the right thing to do at the time. We did it,” Phillips said. “You’re involved on your side of the ball, no matter what. I mean, with Charlie and Ted and those guys, you set the game plan together and that kind of thing. You’re more involved on your side of the ball.”

Every situation is different, but McVay is very much in the minority when it comes to going it alone.

Of the 15 current head coaches who previously worked as an NFL offensive coordinator, only McVay and Shanahan do not have an offensive coordinator. Of the 15 current head coaches who call their team’s plays — it’s a different list — only McVay, Kingsbury and Shanahan do not have a coordinator.

Even the league’s most-veteran, play-calling coaches — such as Oakland’s Jon Gruden, New Orleans’ Asshole Face and Kansas City’s Andy Reid — have coordinators under them.

Minnesota recently took it a step further. Coach Mike Zimmer made staff changes after last season and not only promoted Kevin Stefanski to full-time offensive coordinator but also hired veteran coach Gary Kubiak as “assistant head coach and offensive advisor.” The Vikings are scoring an average of 4.5 points per game more than they did last season and have a top-five scoring offense.

There is always the risk of having too many cooks in the kitchen, or coaches in the office in this case. For that reason, McVay should remain the unquestioned leader of the offense and should retain play-calling duties. He enjoys doing that and, for most of his Rams tenure, he’s been good at it. He just might benefit from a little help, and McVay sounded open to anything, even the suggestion that he might one day hand off those play-calling duties.

“If I felt like there was a setup where we would be a better football team if that wasn’t the case, and it enables you to do some other things, I would never say never,” McVay said, “but those are always things you evaluate.

“Right now our focus is on the 49ers, doing a great job, and then when the offseason hits, whenever that is, there will be some time for us to really be able to look inward and figure out what’s going to be the best thing for the Rams moving forward.”

Sean McVay and the Rams need to re-hire a full-time offensive coordinator

McVay doesn't need to give up play-calling duties but he might benefit from bringing in another voice.

theathletic.com

 

[OldSchool]

I'm not the only one...

I get it 100%! Like I said though do you and anybody else honestly think a credible OC and former HC will come in and take an OC job here in name only?

 

[LesBaker]

Those coaches are going to end up somewhere on a coaching staff.. Not sure I understand the post

OK I will rephrase.

These guys are going to end up in working positions.

None of them are going to contract with the Rams to hold McVay's hand on gameday.

Gruden and Rivera will have HC jobs very soon.

Would you actually want any of the others?

None inspire confidence, they are just recycled guys in the Good Ole Boys Network.

 

[den-the-coach]

I get it 100%! Like I said though do you and anybody else honestly think a credible OC and former HC will come in and take an OC job here in name only?

Well, they brought in LaFleur and he was looking for the title and Assistants love the tag, plus it would be more than name only as you communicated if Kromer would be upset being stripped of his running game coordinator title, then they must do something.

I believe that Callahan would be on many short lists to be Assistant Head Coach/Offensive Line like in Washington, he left Dallas for the Supervisor Tag in D.C. so you never know, however, worst case I do believe they get somebody like a Kellen Moore or a young coach on the rise that wants the title and the opportunity to work with Sean McVay, like LaFleur did in 2017.

 

[LesBaker]

John Ramsdell!!!

What a resume he has..........what's he doing these days???

 

[OldSchool]

Well, they brought in LaFleur and he was looking for the title and Assistants love the tag, plus it would be more than name only as you communicated if Kromer would be upset being stripped of his running game coordinator title, then they must do something.

I believe that Callahan would be on many short lists to be Assistant Head Coach/Offensive Line like in Washington, he left Dallas for the Supervisor Tag in D.C. so you never know, however, worst case I do believe they get somebody like a Kellen Moore or a young coach on the rise that wants the title and the opportunity to work with Sean McVay, like LaFleur did in 2017.

Kellen Moore is a name that intrigues me a lot. He's been an OC although for 1 year and with mixed results largely because he had a HC that wouldn't let him do his job. He's somebody I think has a shot. I just don't think as many experienced candidates are looking for a job in name only like you do. But one thing that does come to mind is if they do come here it's for a year until they get a job like LaFleur, Taylor and Olsen did and then we're back in the same spot.

 

[den-the-coach]

OK I will rephrase.

T

Gruden and Rivera will have HC jobs very soon.

Would you actually want any of the others?

None inspire confidence, they are just recycled guys in the Good Ole Boys Network.

Rivera was never a thought and Jay Gruden is not getting a Head Coaching Job IMHO. Gruden could come to the Rams to reinvent himself, I find it funny that Greg Olson left the Rams to go to the Raiders for the position as "Offensive Coordinator." But he doesn't call the plays either, Jon Gruden does. So why did Olson leave? Because he wanted the Title, believe me some of you are not understanding how important titles are for Assistant Coaches.

 

[CGI_Ram]

I'm not the only one...


Rich Hammond piece on re-hiring a Ram OC

Calif. — Even one of history’s greatest bands couldn’t get by without a little help from its friends. So there’s no shame in scrolling through your list of contacts, Sean McVay.

The Rams need an offensive coordinator. A full-time, full-fledged one. Not a run-game coordinator or a pass-game coordinator or whatever role that an “assistant coordinator/offense” fills. McVay can, and should, retain offensive play-calling duties in 2020, but he needs another voice — and a strong one.

McVay, the Rams’ offensive architect and play-caller, hasn’t employed a traditional coordinator since Matt LaFleur left almost two years ago. Over the past 12 months, it’s become increasingly clear that McVay could benefit from a little more help from a staffer who isn’t also a position coach, someone who can watch the game with more of a calm detachment and gently guide McVay in the right direction.

The Rams’ regression on offense this season — and, more notably, the lack of a consistent identity — make it clear that something needs to change. Is McVay prepared to make a proactive move?

“You’re always evaluating,” McVay said this week. “The one thing, for myself in this role, is you’re constantly evaluating all the elements that this role entails. You always want to continue to do it at a high level. The way you do get better is, you surround yourself with people that are better than you.”

Precisely. And that’s why someone — ideally a veteran coach — needs to be in McVay’s ear, not only during early-week strategy planning but also at halftime, or even in the middle of the first quarter, when in-game adjustments are imperative. McVay and the Rams aren’t far off here — this isn’t a disastrous offense, even though things sometimes look grim — but a little help can go a long way.

McVay is one of only three NFL head coaches who does not employ an offensive coordinator. That’s not necessarily a red flag. The other two are McVay’s fellow young-gun NFC West coaches, San Francisco’s Kyle Shanahan and Arizona’s Kliff Kingsbury, and the 49ers are enjoying a fantastic offensive season.

But the Rams are not. Independent of personnel issues — and there have been many — the offense has been inconsistent and slow to adjust. Opposing defenses, tired of getting steamrolled in 2017 and 2018, have flooded the Rams’ offense with different looks than they show on film and with multiple looks within games.

It’s lazy and inaccurate to say McVay has been “figured out.” Coaching requires constant adjustments, from season to season, week to week and even series to series. That’s not easy, and McVay has a lot on his plate. It’s not a failure to admit that he could benefit from some assistance.

For evidence, look no further than last Sunday’s dismal 44-21 loss at Dallas. The Rams’ first drive — which often is scripted before the game — was solid, with a mix of runs and play-action passes. The Rams ultimately punted from midfield but looked to have established some momentum. From there, though, they increasingly went away from the run and the types of roll-out plays that had helped quarterback Jared Goff get into a rhythm in previous games.

The Rams became more predictable and one-dimensional on offense. Todd Gurley had one rushing yard at halftime. (It’s also fair to re-raise the question of Gurley’s health status and how much McVay truly can use him, given that Gurley does not look dynamic even when he is fed the ball.)

Beyond all that, the point here is not to ridicule McVay, paint him as a bad coach or blame him entirely — or even primarily — for the Rams’ underachievement. In fact, there have been some clear positives.

At the start of this season, McVay got handed an offense that included a revamped, unproven offensive line and a running back with some type of load-management plan. More recently, McVay also engineered excellent plans for games against Chicago and Seattle and has been unwavering as a leader.

None of those things should be ignored. McVay’s offensive mind is sharp. He doesn’t turn 34 until next month, so it’s natural that there would be some growing pains in his head-coaching career. Everything remains in place for McVay to turn this around, assuming the Rams make some smart personnel moves. Plus, it’s not a nightmare. The Rams rank in the top half of the league in both points and yards.

It’s clearly not the same, though. The Rams have exceeded 30 points in only three of 14 games this season, even though, with some notable exceptions, the defense is improved. In 2017 and 2018, the Rams topped 30 points in 21 of their 32 regular-season games. So what has changed?

After his hiring in 2017, McVay brought in LaFleur as his offensive coordinator, and the Rams led the NFL with an average of 29.9 points per game. LaFleur left to become the Tennessee Titans’ coordinator, with a chance to call plays, which was a good, understandable move that helped LaFleur get hired as Green Bay’s head coach a year later (the Packers sit atop the NFC North in his first season).

Instead of hiring a new coordinator, McVay named tight ends coach Shane Waldron as his pass-game coordinator and offensive line coach Aaron Kromer as his run-game coordinator. By all accounts, things worked fine, as the Rams in 2018 totaled more points and yards than they did with LaFleur.

There were warning signs, though, particularly late in the season and in the Super Bowl, when opposing defenses enjoyed increasing success against the Rams. McVay stayed with his staff and elevated Jedd Fisch, who had assisted McVay with timeouts and clock management, to “assistant coordinator/offense.”

Early in the 2019 season, teams continued to give the Rams new and varied defensive looks. The Rams have been slow to adjust, and it’s hard to see how that isn’t complicated by the fact that McVay takes such ownership of the offense while also managing all other aspects of the team.

Yes, Kromer, Waldron and Fisch help, but they also have other responsibilities. It isn’t ridiculous to think the Rams would benefit from adding someone to assist offensive overview beyond Fisch’s analysis. Plus, Fisch might be on the move, as Bruce Feldman of The Athletic recently mentioned him as a candidate for the Florida Atlantic job.

“We’ve got a lot of good people here,” McVay said, “but I think it’s always continuing to find that good balance of, what does it look like structurally — really, for our organization in terms of that setup — and we want to be able to get the best people here. I think you’re always looking at those things, but I feel really good about what our group has done, if you’re asking about that.”

No, that’s not it. Kromer, Waldron and Fisch are not bad coaches. The suggestion is that they could be supplemented, not replaced. If 29 teams have a full-time coordinator, why can’t the Rams?

For some interesting perspective, McVay need only turn to his defensive coordinator.

Wade Phillips had three stints as an NFL head coach. In Denver in 1993-94, he employed Charlie Waters as defensive coordinator. In Buffalo from 1998 to 2000, he had Ted Cottrell. In 2007, when Phillips got hired in Dallas, he hired then-San Diego Chargers defensive backs coach Brian Stewart as his coordinator. Phillips, one of the great defensive minds in league history, clearly still ran the unit, but he had help.

The Cowboys fired Stewart after Phillips’ second season and did not replace him. Phillips ran the defense himself in 2009, and it thrived as Dallas allowed the second-fewest points in the league. But it didn’t last. In 2010, the Cowboys allowed an average of 29.0 points in their first eight games. Phillips got fired.

“I thought it was the right thing to do at the time. We did it,” Phillips said. “You’re involved on your side of the ball, no matter what. I mean, with Charlie and Ted and those guys, you set the game plan together and that kind of thing. You’re more involved on your side of the ball.”

Every situation is different, but McVay is very much in the minority when it comes to going it alone.

Of the 15 current head coaches who previously worked as an NFL offensive coordinator, only McVay and Shanahan do not have an offensive coordinator. Of the 15 current head coaches who call their team’s plays — it’s a different list — only McVay, Kingsbury and Shanahan do not have a coordinator.

Even the league’s most-veteran, play-calling coaches — such as Oakland’s Jon Gruden, New Orleans’ Asshole Face and Kansas City’s Andy Reid — have coordinators under them.

Minnesota recently took it a step further. Coach Mike Zimmer made staff changes after last season and not only promoted Kevin Stefanski to full-time offensive coordinator but also hired veteran coach Gary Kubiak as “assistant head coach and offensive advisor.” The Vikings are scoring an average of 4.5 points per game more than they did last season and have a top-five scoring offense.

There is always the risk of having too many cooks in the kitchen, or coaches in the office in this case. For that reason, McVay should remain the unquestioned leader of the offense and should retain play-calling duties. He enjoys doing that and, for most of his Rams tenure, he’s been good at it. He just might benefit from a little help, and McVay sounded open to anything, even the suggestion that he might one day hand off those play-calling duties.

“If I felt like there was a setup where we would be a better football team if that wasn’t the case, and it enables you to do some other things, I would never say never,” McVay said, “but those are always things you evaluate.

“Right now our focus is on the 49ers, doing a great job, and then when the offseason hits, whenever that is, there will be some time for us to really be able to look inward and figure out what’s going to be the best thing for the Rams moving forward.”

Sean McVay and the Rams need to re-hire a full-time offensive coordinator

McVay doesn't need to give up play-calling duties but he might benefit from bringing in another voice.

theathletic.com

Good read.

The following quote shows we have the right guy in charge. Rest assured, Rams fans.

McVay said this week. “The one thing, for myself in this role, is you’re constantly evaluating all the elements that this role entails. You always want to continue to do it at a high level. The way you do get better is, you surround yourself with people that are better than you.”

 

[den-the-coach]

I just don't think as many experienced candidates are looking for a job in name only like you do. But one thing that does come to mind is if they do come here it's for a year until they get a job like LaFleur, Taylor and Olsen did and then we're back in the same spot.

Look at Greg Olson, he was the Rams QB Coach and left for the Raiders job as Offensive Coordinator and does not call the plays, Jon Gruden does. Veteran Coach that left a good job, where he had input as QB Coach for the Title and to be more involved in game planning, I believe there is a veteran coach that would take that gig and you have to factor in the pay too.

 

[LesBaker]

Rivera was never a thought and Jay Gruden is not getting a Head Coaching Job IMHO. Gruden could come to the Rams to reinvent himself, I find it funny that Greg Olson left the Rams to go to the Raiders for the position as "Offensive Coordinator." But he doesn't call the plays either, Jon Gruden does. So why did Olson leave? Because he wanted the Title, believe me some of you are not understanding how important titles are for Assistant Coaches.

Den you could be right, maybe what it says on the card means something to some of these guys.

Let's make a wager on Gruden.

IMO the Browns hire McCarthy or Gruden. Maybe both lol.

 

[OldSchool]

Look at Greg Olson, he was the Rams QB Coach and left for the Raiders job as Offensive Coordinator and does not call the plays, Jon Gruden does. Veteran Coach that left a good job, where he had input as QB Coach for the Title and to be more involved in game planning, I believe there is a veteran coach that would take that gig and you have to factor in the pay too.

Greg Olson and Bill Callahan are two vastly different animals though you can't compare them. Olsen has never been a HC and hadn't been an OC for more than a year or two with any team and never very successful. He came to the hot young mind to rebuild his name. He also received a promotion from QB coach to OC for the move. Completely different situations and people. Callahan is unemployed at the moment and if nobody offers him something viable he may take this. I just can't see him taking a job in name only.

LaFleur was similar to Olson. He'd only been a QB coach and was a bright young name. Took a job in name only on the hot coaches squad for his first OC job. Got a promotion to be the actual OC then got a HC job. Both are very different than Callahan IMO.

 

[den-the-coach]

Den you could be right, maybe what it says on the card means something to some of these guys.

Let's make a wager on Gruden.

IMO the Browns hire McCarthy or Gruden. Maybe both lol.

They won't hire Gruden as Head Coach, no way they hire a guy with a record of 35-49-1 they can't take the PR Hit. I've been saying that McCarthy should be their target, however, he and Dorsey actually don't have a good rapport. I do believe the Browns need a Veteran Head Coach, but not one with a losing record or Josh McDaniels because of the name and being a local Ohio guy, but I will believe that when I see it.

If the Browns hire Josh McDaniels they will fire John Dorsey and that would be a mistake IMO., and McCarthy should be the easy choice for the Browns, but the Haslem's never do anything easy and they are infatuated with McDaniels so get ready, I hope McDaniels turns them down and then they go with McCarthy, but highly doubtful.

 

[den-the-coach]

LaFleur was similar to Olson. He'd only been a QB coach and was a bright young name. Took a job in name only on the hot coaches squad for his first OC job. Got a promotion to be the actual OC then got a HC job. Both are very different than Callahan IMO.

You could be right on Callahan and he will have his choice of jobs and maybe in the end the Rams will end up with somebody like LaFleur or Olson, however, I have a feeling McVay and Callahan have a good rapport and the opportunity to work together have the OC Tag and be part of something special along with being paid handsomely might swing his decision, we shall see. I only brought up Callahan because he can flat out coach a running game and they have worked together in the past...This was awesome BTW and I only wish we were having a conversation together enjoying our beverage of choice.

 

[LesBaker]

They won't hire Gruden as Head Coach, no way they hire a guy with a record of 35-49-1 they can't take the PR Hit. I've been saying that McCarthy should be their target, however, he and Dorsey actually don't have a good rapport. I do believe the Browns need a Veteran Head Coach, but not one with a losing record or Josh McDaniels because of the name and being a local Ohio guy, but I will believe that when I see it.

If the Browns hire Josh McDaniels they will fire John Dorsey and that would be a mistake IMO., and McCarthy should be the easy choice for the Browns, but the Haslem's never do anything easy and they are infatuated with McDaniels so get ready, I hope McDaniels turns them down and then they go with McCarthy, but highly doubtful.

By the way Gruden was born in Ohio also.

Gruden is better than his record. No coach does well under Snyder. Though Gruden did win the division one year.

I don't know why McDaniels would leave NE. He did that once and it didn't work out. He's got six rings, a big paycheck and a lifetime of job security. If he leaves he needs his head examined lol.

Why would the Browns fire Dorsey if they hired McDaniels? I'm confused. Though I agree that it would be a mistake to fire him.

 

[OldSchool]

You could be right on Callahan and he will have his choice of jobs and maybe in the end the Rams will end up with somebody like LaFleur or Olson, however, I have a feeling McVay and Callahan have a good rapport and the opportunity to work together have the OC Tag and be part of something special along with being paid handsomely might swing his decision, we shall see. I only brought up Callahan because he can flat out coach a running game and they have worked together in the past...This was awesome BTW and I only wish we were having a conversation together enjoying our beverage of choice.

Bourbon.... it’s not just for breakfast anymore.

 

[den-the-coach]

Why would the Browns fire Dorsey if they hired McDaniels? I'm confused. Though I agree that it would be a mistake to fire him.

McDaniels is going to want his own people and although he has a losing record after an epic fail in Denver, people treat him like he's Red Blake. Anyway Jimmy Haslam loves him and for the Browns sake I hope McDaniels turns them down, but if they hire him, McDaniels is going to want his own personnel guy and Dorsey would be done in Cleveland IMHO.

 

[den-the-coach]

Bourbon.... it’s not just for breakfast anymore.

Agreed as I'm an Old Fashion type of guy made with Maker's....The first three are on me.