Dissension on the 49ers?

[jjab360]

This is what happens when you have leadership that preaches that their scheme is perfect and if anything goes wrong it's on the players. I might be wrong but that's the impression I've gotten from Shanahan specifically during his time with Atlanta.

"Shanahan says Ryan wanted to go back to some of the concepts he was familiar with under Shanahan's predecessor, Dirk Koetter. There was some give and take in the game-planning as the year went on. Ultimately, Shanahan, who had been reputed to be stubborn, incorporated more of what Ryan was comfortable with in his playbook."

This is one of the quotes I could find, but I remember hearing a lot of reports in 2015 about how Ryan was getting frustrated that Shanahan wasn't being more flexible. You don't hear much like this from the McVay camp who seems like he takes a ton of input from his players and adjusts his system around what they're good at. Just look at how how much of the offense he adapted from playing to Goff's strengths to Stafford's strengths, letting Kupp create his own routes, etc.

Shanahan and McVay are both great playcallers but I think it's pretty obvious who players would prefer to play for.

 

[Tano]

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i so want to fucking trounce these clowns like they deserve to be trounced.

i hope the d comes ready to fucking tackle those fucking shit rbs acting as wrs. make the fucking qb throw past the line of scrimmage when his team is behind and not controlling the game.

and of course i want the qb to not give those fucks back breaking turnovers and pick 6s. i love goff but for the life of me i don't understand why he liked throwing fucking pick 6s to that fucking team. he even did it this season for the lions.

i have no doubt stafford is gonna fucking surgeon those fucks for 4 or 5 tds.

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Yeah I think Goff has thrown more pick 6s against the 49ers than all the other teams combined.

I think his subconscious is working against him here because he used to be a huge fan of the 49ers when he was a kid.

 

[Classic Rams]

Good. Any reasoning (even a little twisted) why son of ratface and the whiners are bound to fail is good with me.

I have also found it interesting that stories come out that Crapollo isn't the answer. But somehow he's undefeated vs Rams. Yeah one was a rest-the-starters game, but still. And then we have another rest-the-starters game for the upteenth time vs them once again.

 

[dang]

Sounds like the clash of 2 giant egos. Shanahan strikes me as one who feels unless he comes up with an idea the idea is not worthy. Brady sounds like he thought his offer would/should be jumped at without hesitation. It’s fun to step back and watch any fallout continue to happen.

 

[dieterbrock]

I feel like they've been on the verge for several seasons, that a year or so ago that there was talk about power struggle between Shanny and Lynch where it was a "him or me" kinda sitch. I'd love to see Shanny go because I think he can be really good. Would rather that be in the AFC somewhere.....

 

[Flint]

Not sure if this 49ers dissension is a "thing" yet, but if it is, here's hoping it persists and gets worse. Below, a link to a vid of Cohn discussing the dissension, as well as the Bosa presser, where he talks like a mealy-mouthed doofus.

In comparing Shanahan to McVay, gotta say I think McVay is better at instilling a positive atmosphere, which IMHO is easier to maintain for the long haul. Love that McVay talks about "urgent enjoyment." His team is performing at an elite level, and the players are having a blast while doing so.

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From what I’ve read Shanny is kind of a different guy, one of those really smart guys who may or may not be messing with you, you’re never sure. But it’s hard to say how much of his or McVay’s public persona is real. I mean I love McVay, I remember how it was before, but sometimes when he starts talking he sounds like a motivational speaker and when he gets done I have no idea what he said.

 

[den-the-coach]

My thoughts usually go as follows:
-Hope for Health & Happiness for my Son and Family
-Then I ask myself what is best in life?"
”To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of 49er fans.”

Thank you @Neil039 I don't have to post now.

 

[1maGoh]

Yeah I think Goff has thrown more pick 6s against the 49ers than all the other teams combined.

I think his subconscious is working against him here because he used to be a huge fan of the 49ers when he was a kid.

If I'm being honest, I don't think it was his subconscious. He still is a huge 49er fan. I don't think he wants to beat them.

 

[fearsomefour]

Time for them to bring back Dennis Erickson.

 

[den-the-coach]

Time for them to bring back Dennis Erickson.

Nah, I would rather them rehire Jim Tomsula.

 

[Tano]

If I'm being honest, I don't think it was his subconscious. He still is a huge 49er fan. I don't think he wants to beat them.

He beat them 4 times in 2017 and 2018 so I really doubt that

Plus they had them beat last year when in one of the rare times the defense fell apart in the last 5 minutes of the game

And the year before that, they were tied when SF converted two 3rd and 22 in the last minute of the game.

 

[Allen2McVay]

After 50 years, I think I have a healthy hate of the 49ers. I would love for there to be dissension in S.F.

However, I got to be objective; and I always consider the source.
There is so much access now ... anyone can post articles and YouTube videos.

In my opinion, that is a piece-of-shit article by a weak, young writer with an agenda.

His name is Grant Cohn; and this is not the first time his opinion has been the subject of a ROD thread.
The prior example was a YouTube video that expressed concerns about Trey Lance. It was from the Spring!

At that time, I was taken a-back, and did a little internet research on Grant Cohn ... and his father who was a S.F. sports writer; and both have reps of being critical of the Niners. Grant came across as cocky, arrogant and not very knowledgeable ... kind of an ass-hole ... normally, that would make him a typical 49ers' fan.

I will try to find the prior thread and post it to page one.

 

[LARAMSinFeb.]

McVay is an extremely mentally healthy individual, and that spreads. It's a great time to be a Rams fan.

 

[majrleaged]

Hmm. Not sure what to think?

The article read like a lot of assumptions. But, the Bosa interview did seem a veiled swipe… maybe.

A loss to the Seahawks will open up cracks if they are there.

Oh I really like that idea.

 

[fearsomefour]

Nah, I would rather them rehire Jim Tomsula.
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Haha.
Forgot about that guy.

 

[1maGoh]

He beat them 4 times in 2017 and 2018 so I really doubt that

Plus they had them beat last year when in one of the rare times the defense fell apart in the last 5 minutes of the game

And the year before that, they were tied when SF converted two 3rd and 22 in the last minute of the game.

He beat them once in 2017. We're 3-5 against Shanahan. After 2018 he hasn't beat them no matter what team he's on.

After that year it's always seemed to me that he played games against them half hearted. He'd do enough to give us a chance, but also never played a game that was actually... Good. Or great. It was something I was concerned with when we drafted him (because I'd do it if I was him).

Weird that now that he's not on his favorite team's most hated rival he finally turned in a decent game against them again. With a team that's significantly shittier than what he's had here the last two years.

I'll admit it's not a strong theory and it's definitely one I can't prove in any way, shape, or form. I have a secondary, compliment theory, but I won't bore anybody with that one as it's a bit more out there/crazy than that one.

 

[Tano]

He beat them once in 2017. We're 3-5 against Shanahan. After 2018 he hasn't beat them no matter what team he's on.

After that year it's always seemed to me that he didn't play games against them half hearted. He's so enough to give us a chance, but also never played a game that was actually... Good. Or great. It was something I was concerned with when we drafted him (because I'd do it if I was him).

Weird that now that he's not on his favorite team's most hated rival he finally turned in a decent game against them again. With a team that's significantly shittier than what he's had here the last two years.

I'll admit it's not a strong theory and it's definitely one I can't prove in any way, shape, or form. I have a secondary, compliment theory, but I won't bore anybody with that one as it's a bit more out there/crazy than that one.

Oh yeah in 2017 - we rested all the starters including Goff in the last game against SF so he was 3-0 with McVay before 2019.

You go with your conspiracy theory but I am sticking with subconscious lol

 

[SWAdude]

I am deeply concerned with the level of my whiner hate.

 

[majrleaged]

I don't know anything about this writer except that he says he's been covering the Whiners for 11 years and he does make some assumptions in the article but still, I like the sound of any cracks forming in San Fran.

Dissension on the 49ers?

Dissension on the 49ers?​

Grant Cohn 7 hrs ago

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I've never seen this level of dissension on the 49ers in my 11 seasons covering the team.


SANTA CLARA -- The 49ers have acted awfully strange following their first loss of the season.
In the politest, most professional tone possible, it seems the players blamed the coaches for the loss, while the coaches blamed the players. I've never seen this level of dissension on the 49ers in my 11 seasons covering the team.
Here's what I mean.
Why isn't the 49ers' running game working?
George Kittle immediately after the loss: "They were loading the box. Did all they could do to take away our double teams. They had set up the defense to let us get our double team, but then they're setting the edge with two guys, so there's not really much you can do there. I trust in [head] coach [Kyle] Shanahan and [offensive coordinator] Mike McDaniel, they’ll get after that and they'll figure out a way to avoid that next time. Because I'm assuming a lot of defenses are going to try to do that because they did a good job of eliminating our outside zone.”
Translation: We had no schematic answer for the defensive fronts the Packers showed. There was nothing more the players could do. The coaches need to find a solution.
Jimmy Garoppolo on Wednesday: "You scout things, the coaches do a great job all week of that and the game comes and you’ve got to react to what they deal you. So it's a bit of just executing the tough looks that maybe we didn't plan for."
Translation: The coaches aren't preparing the players for the defensive fronts they're facing during games. The players are surprised by the looks they're facing. The coaches primarily are at fault.
Offensive coordinator Mike McDaniel on Thursday: "It also has to do with them executing stuff that the next day on tape. I know George sees stuff and he's like, ‘Hey, we could have done this, that or whatever."
Translation: It's the players' fault for not executing the plays better.
See what I mean?
The same thing is happening on defense. This past Sunday, the Packers eliminated Nick Bosa from the game simply by chipping him with a tight end. Not good for the 49ers.
Why can't the 49ers defeat the chips?
Defensive coordinator DeMeco Ryans this Thursday: "When you have a great rusher like Bosa, teams, they have to find a way to handle him. And that's what teams have been doing. They've been chipping him a lot and he's garnered a lot of attention because of the type of player that he is. Great players, you’ve got to handle them and that's what teams are doing against him. They're chipping him.”
Translation: The chips are inevitable for Bosa. He needs to expect them and find a way to beat them.
Bosa 30 minutes after Ryans: "(There are) certain chip-beaters that (defensive line coach) Kris (Kocurek) has used over the years -- we just have to get them called and execute them...there are other ones that we didn't get to. I'm not sure why, but we're definitely going to be better about it."
Translation: Ryans needs to call "chip-beaters," but didn't call them enough on Sunday, which means he didn't adjust and he's at fault.
I've never seen players point the finger so publicly at their coaches before. Sure, coaches always pass off blame, and the players usually accept it. That's the culture of football.
This 49ers team sure has a strange culture.

I don't know. Seems like all these quotes could be given a little context. Like what was the question asked. I think this is all made up shit. It is what all of us hate about journalism these days. No facts needed, just give the meaning you want to a statement and create a story where there isn't one.
Has anyone seen another story regarding this? When I see a couple of more stories and they don't reference this one, I will think it more likely.

 

[Pancake]

They mention Brady being present for "the catch" game like he was such a huge fan. But leave out he would have been like 2 years old and realistically doesn't even remember it.