Did Astronomers Find Evidence of an Alien Civilization?

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By Phil Plait


What is causing the star KIC 8462852 to behave so strangely? A huge belt of debris around it, or ... something else?


A paper by a team of astronomers is getting some notice because of aliens. Now let’s have a care here. The paper doesn’t mention aliens, and it doesn’t even imply aliens. Not directly, at least. But the astronomers found a star so odd, with behavior so difficult to explain, that it’s clear something weird is happening there. And some of the astronomers who did the work are now looking into the idea that what they’ve found might (might!) be due to aliens.

But don’t let this idea run away with you (as it has with some folks on social media and, no doubt, will in some sketchier “media” outlets any minute now). The scientists involved are being very skeptical and approaching this the right way: more of an interested “Hey, why not?” follow-up, as opposed to the Hollywood renegade astronomer who just knows it’s aliens but (fist shaking in the air) just can’t convince those uptight Big Astro sellouts!

But it’s cool either way.

OK, so first, what’s the science?

The star is called KIC 8462852, and it’s one of more than a hundred thousand stars that was observed by NASA’s Kepler mission. Kepler stared at these stars, looking for dips in their brightness. These very slight dimmings can be due to many factors, but one is if the star has planets, and one (or more) of them orbits the star in such a way that it passes directly in front of the star as seen from Earth. If it does—what we call a transit—we see a tiny diminution of starlight, usually by less than a percent.

Thousands of exoplanets have been found this way. Usually the planet is on a short orbit, so the dip we see is periodic, repeating every few days, weeks, or months, depending on the size of the planet’s orbit.

KIC 8462852 is a star somewhat more massive, hotter, and brighter than the Sun. It’s about 1,500 light-years away, a decent distance, so it’s too faint to see with the naked eye. The Kepler data for the star are pretty bizarre: There are dips in the light, but they aren’t periodic. They can be very deep; one dropped the amount of starlight by 15 percent, and another by a whopping 22 percent!


Kepler data show huge dips in brightness, up to 22 percent in the star. The bottom axis is days after an arbitrary date, and the bottom two panels are close-ups of the top one, centered near 800 days (left) and 1,500 days (right). The average amount of starlight over time is set equal to 1 for ease of display.
Graphs by Boyajian et al.

Straight away, we know we’re not dealing with a planet here. Even a Jupiter-sized planet only blocks roughly 1 percent of this kind of star’s light, and that’s about as big as a planet gets. It can’t be due to a star, either; we’d see it if it were. And the lack of a regular, repeating signal belies both of these as well. Whatever is blocking the star isbig, though, up to half the width of the star itself!

Also, it turns out there are lots of these dips in the star’s light. Hundreds. And they don’t seem to be periodic at all. They have odd shapes to them, too. A planet blocking a star’s light will have a generally symmetric dip; the light fades a little, remains steady at that level, then goes back up later. The dip at 800 days in the KIC 8462852 data doesn’t do that; it drops slowly, then rises more rapidly. Another one at 1,500 days has a series of blips up and down inside the main dips. There’s also an apparent change in brightness that seems to go up and down roughly every 20 days for weeks, then disappears completely. It’s likely just random transits, but still. It’s bizarre.

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More data from Kepler show the starlight going up and down on a timescale of 20 or so days (the more frequent 0.88 day cycle is most likely a starspot rotating into and out of view).
Graphs by Boyajian et al.

The authors of the paper went to some trouble to eliminate obvious causes. It’s not something in the telescope or the processing; the dips are real. It’s not due to starspots (like sunspots, but on another star). My first thought was some sort of planetary collision, like the impact that created the Moon out of the Earth billions of years ago; that would create a lot of debris and dust clouds. These chunks and clouds orbiting the star would then cause a series of transits that could reproduce what’s seen.


Planetary impacts can create huge fields of debris, including dust clouds.
Drawing by NASA/JPL-Caltech/T. Pyle (SSC)

The problem with that is that there’s no excess of infrared light from the star. Dust created in such impacts warms up and glows in the IR. We know how much IR stars like KIC 8462852 give off, and we see just the right amount from it, no more. The lack of that glow means no (or very little) dust.

The last idea the astronomers looked at was a series of comets orbiting the star. These could be surrounded by clouds of gas and other material that could produce the dips seen. The lack of IR is puzzling in that case, but not too damning. If another star happened to pass nearby, then its gravity could disturb the first star’s Oort cloud, the region billions of kilometers out where we think most (if not all) stars have billions of icy objects. This disturbance could send these ice chunks flying down toward the star, where they could break up, creating all those weird dips—ices in them would heat up, blow off as a gas, and could explain the odd shapes of the dips detected, too.

And, as it happens, there is another star pretty close to KIC 8462852; a small red dwarf about 130 billion kilometers out. That’s close enough to affect the Oort cloud.

This doesn’t close the case, though. Comets are a good guess, but it’s hard to imagine a scenario where they could completely block 22 percent of the light from a star; that’s a huge amount. Really huge.

So where does that leave us?

Wondering if there might be more to this, Tabetha Boyajian, the lead author on the paper, showed the results to Jason Wright, an astronomer who studies exoplanets and, not coincidentally, has researched how to look for signatures of advanced alien civilizations in Kepler data.

Yes, seriously.

Get this:

Look at our own civilization. We consume ever-increasing amounts of power, and are always looking for bigger sources. Fossil, nuclear, solar, wind … Decades ago, physicist Freeman Dyson popularized an interesting idea: What if we built thousands of gigantic solar panels, kilometers across, and put them in orbit around the Sun? They’d capture sunlight, convert it to energy, and that could be beamed to Earth for our use. Need more power? Build more panels! An advanced civilization could eventually build millions, billions of them.

This idea evolved into what’s called a Dyson Sphere, a gigantic sphere that completely encloses a star. It was popular back in the 1970s and 80s; there was evenan episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation about one. Dyson never really meant that we’d build an actual sphere; just lots of little panels that might mimic one.

But it raises an interesting possibility for detecting alien life. Such a sphere would be dark in visible light but emit a lot of infrared. People have looked for them, but we’ve never seen one (obviously).

Which brings us back to KIC 8462852. What if we caught an advanced alien civilization in the process of building such an artifact? Huge panels (or clusters of them) hundreds of thousands of kilometers across, and oddly-shaped, could produce the dips we see in that star’s light.

Now I imagine some of you might expect me to rail against this idea, call it ridiculous, and pooh-pooh the notion of aliens and all that


I disagree. At least for now.


Well, surprise! I actually kinda like it. I’m not saying it’s right, mind you, just that it’s interesting. Wright isn’t some wild-eyed crackpot; he’s a professional astronomer with a solid background. As he told me when I talked to him over the phone, there’s “a need to hypothesize, but we should also approach it skeptically” (paraphrasing a tweet by another astronomer, David Grinspoon), with which I wholeheartedly agree.

Look, I think it’s pretty obvious this scenario is, um, unlikely. But hey, why not? It’s easy enough to get follow-up observations of the star to check the idea out. It’s low probability but high stakes, so probably worth a shot. And it’s not exactly science fiction; Wright and a few other astronomers have submitted a paper (pending publication) to the prestigious Astrophysical Journal examining the physics of these structures and detailing how they could be detected around other stars.

As reported in the Atlantic (which is what started all the social media interest in the first place), Wright and Boyajian are indeed proposing to use a radio telescope to look for signals from the star. An alien civilization building such a structure might leak (or broadcast!) radio waves that could be detectable from 1,500 light-years away. That’s the whole basis of SETI, the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence (see the movieContact, or better yet read the book, for more on this). Telescope time is controlled by a committee, and it’s not clear if the proposal will pass or not. I hope so; it shouldn’t take too much telescope time, and under modest assumptions it shouldn’t be too hard to detect a signal.


If one exists. This is still a very, very long shot. But again, this isn’t a huge effort costing zillions of dollars. The effort is minimal, but the payoff could be pretty big. Also, radio observations of the star might prove useful in solving the mystery, even if it’s not aliens. Which, I’ll reiterate, it really likely isn’t.

I would also support follow-up observations (as indicated in the Boyajian paper) looking for signals from comets. Some molecules in comets glow quite brightly when comets get near a star, and that signal may not be too difficult to detect either. Also, there could simply be natural possibilities no one has thought of yet. More observations means stirring the pot a little more and could inspire new thinking.

Whether there are aliens constructing huge megastructures to feed their power needs at KIC 8462852, or—overwhelmingly more likely—it’s a more natural scenario, this is a pretty weird and interesting star. And it’s definitely worth investigating further.
 

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Yes, there is alien life among us....but then again I've been to Berkeley, CA.
 

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Yes, there is alien life among us....but then again I've been to Berkeley, CA.
True. But have you been to Seattle? Talk about space station number 9. Heck, they even have a ufo monument which probably really is the mothership.
 

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True. But have you been to Seattle? Talk about space station number 9. Heck, they even have a ufo monument which probably really is the mothership.

(Sorry @RamzFanz for the temporary thread-jack.) :hijack:

Never been to Seattle but I've heard stories. Then of course there's the Seahawks. :poop:

I was a route driver during the late 80's to early 90's and every Thursday it was Berkeley. The same granola munching, Birkenstock sandal wearing, peace sign flashing, pot smoking types from the 60's were now older, had escaped the Haight-Ashbury scene in San Francisco, and were now hanging around there instead. It was like a weekly time-warp. :shocked: And in honor of them....:rockon:Btw I'm pretty certain I saw RiffRaff there a few times.


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I'm convinced there are aliens because I've been to Venice Beach. Yeah, they are real! :shocked:
 

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In the search for intelligent life, ever wonder why the satellite dishes and telescopes are pointed away from earth?
 

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I love that the article included a pic of Georgio. I love that guy. I wish I had the balls to pull of that hairdo.

I did it up for my wife one night and I thought she was gonna die laughing. Somehow it suits him. Whatever made him decide to come his hair all up like that?

BTW most of that Ancient Aliens stuff has been around a long time. Zecariah Sitchin has some very detailed books on it. They are much more detailed than the show.
 

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I love that the article included a pic of Georgio. I love that guy. I wish I had the balls to pull of that hairdo.

I did it up for my wife one night and I thought she was gonna die laughing. Somehow it suits him. Whatever made him decide to come his hair all up like that?

BTW most of that Ancient Aliens stuff has been around a long time. Zecariah Sitchin has some very detailed books on it. They are much more detailed than the show.


I've read all of his books and I can't help but believe the Sumerian stories have real truth in them.
 

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The SETI program may be able to point a radio telescope in that direction some time in 2016 they say. WTF???

I'd be dialing in on that bitch immediately.
 

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It's not orbiting that star, obviously. Probably just a light sail on it's way here with a Von Neumann probe about half a light year out that occasionally crosses the line of sight between Kepler and it's home star. We're grey goo in about a hundred years if we don't cook ourselves first.
 

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The SETI program may be able to point a radio telescope in that direction some time in 2016 they say. WTF???

I'd be dialing in on that bitch immediately.

Well they don't control the telescopes, so they need to put in a request, and then wait for their turn. There are a few big name telescopes that we use because of their location, size, etc that makes them more effective than others.

They'll need to wait their turn, because most in the scientific community aren't really buying the alien theory, at least not yet.. For good reason as well, as it's never good to just jump to that at every strange thing we find out in space. A bunch of students were going on about it earlier actually, since it's exciting to hear at face value, especially as media outlets look to generate hits by pushing that story.

One of the issues that I brought up when some were asking is how it is that we seemingly found them first? The star is about 1500 light years away, so we're looking at that star as it was 1500 years ago.. So if there were life there, 1500 years ago they were already advanced enough to build those large structures to harvest their stars energy, so we would have to think they would have the technology to look out and search for other life, of course assuming that they would be curious about what is beyond their system (which if they've achieved space travel you'd have to think that is the case)... Plus you would think that they would have been sending off some sort of electromagnetic signal long before they built those structures, yet we haven't heard anything from them.

Additionally the star is an F type star, which means it's a little more massive and hotter than our sun, emitting more UV rays.. Which could essentially cook DNA and make life (at least as we know it) pretty unlikely. That's why we don't tend to look at the larger/brighter/more massive stars (O, B, A, F) than our own.. F stars are just a little brighter than ours (the Sun is a G type) but they're pushing into the Blues, which of course means UV's, and again harder for life.

So while the door wont be closed on the alien theory with the star (and why should it?), it wont be what motivates anyone, and those watching it will take their time with studying it. It's a really interesting star, and really interesting mystery since we don't know what's causing those dips, and it could be something that we've yet to discover about the universe, but aliens are a pretty unlikely cause.
 

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Love to know what's causing the discrepancies! Believing we're not alone in the universe is not a problem for me, just hope they bring help to our planet!