Detroit signs Jared Goff to 4 year $212M extension $170M guaranteed

[dieterbrock]

After mahomes the next 4 is definitely debatable it just depends on what the person values. I value production and winning over everything. So to me goff is top 5 because he does both at a very high lvl.

He's not in the ball park of Stafford, Allen or Burrow. Just isnt. That's no knock on him

 

[Giles]

He's not in the ball park of Stafford, Allen or Burrow. Just isnt. That's no knock on him

I disagree but hey everyone is entitled to their opinion.

 

[Merlin]

Have you read this thread?

There's a poster that literally stated ...
Goff was 'A pansy who will fill his pants in the biggest moment with a panic load.'

I realize it's a long thread but you posted multiple times on the same page as the above-post; and did so within 20 minutes of that post.

That is twice now you felt the need to point out your displeasure with my post.

It is not shitting on him to observe that he is a coward in the pocket. It is not shitting on his squealing fanboys to reality check their validations. Both those things were required in this ridiculous thread, as always when it pertains to all things Goff here.

Detroit just placed a very large bet on him. That is what this is. But are they correct. Time will tell.

Where the Lions have been very shrewd is stacking the offense with a line that keeps Goff clean. That line puts bullies on his side. They properly prioritize physicality on both sides of the ball too. He played well last year but I think he is a QB who needs a perfect team around him to get it done.

And to me the mistake you don't want to make with a QB is paying him big jack when he doesn't have the right stuff. So we'll see how this turns out for them.

 

[Tano]

We'll just settle on the fact that we have different recollections. Both on this board and in the media, I saw plenty of commentary that he would either be out of football or a journeyman/JAG who bounced around the league. Maybe this doesn't apply to you personally, but there were a LOT of doubters about his future prospects in the NFL. And even within this thread, you see plenty of posters that will only begrudgingly give him and his ability the respect that is due, often times trying to rationalize away the success he's had in rebuilding his career in Detroit of all places.

You should have no problem with what I've written above if it doesn't apply to you personally.

One of my friends at work stated Goff would be out of work after two years or at best a backup

 

[Allen2McVay]

That is twice now you felt the need to point out your displeasure with my post.

It is not shitting on him (Goff) to observe that he is a coward in the pocket.

No ... No ... THAT'S NOT shitting on him at all.

And, I am not displeased with you ... Just Disappointed.

 

[Reddog99]

These Goff discussions are wild but I kind of enjoy the different opinions on it. I think everyone on here is right about him to a degree. He's a good QB that can perform at a very high level with a good team around him. I often hear folks say that football is the ultimate team sport and in a team sport isn't it the goal to win as a team? One guy shouldn't have to carry the team and if it comes to that IMO it's the fault of the person who put the roster together. Goff has his flaws no doubt and even though I wouldn't call myself a fan of his I wish him no I'll will.

That said I don't appreciate the negative things said or implied about Stafford or McVay and I don't think it's necessary to put them down to lift up Goff or vice-versa. They are all good or they wouldn't have been head coach or QB1's in the NFL for 8+ years. I understand why the Goff fans get upset (even though the non Goff fans might have brought up the comparisons first) and want to use our Coach and QB as a way to get their point across but no matter how much you like Goff its not cool to put our guys down. Just my opinion.

 

[RhodyRams]

With these histrionics, I’m out.

 

[Kupped]

Ben johnson didn't even call plays that season...Dan did. He didn't start calling plays until the next season and that was after building the playbook with Goff. It's also well documented goff has alot of autonomy at the line. So again, it's not even close to the same thing. I highly doubt mcvay built his playbook with Goff in mind much less took any input from him. He was already a damn good playcaller well b4 goff.

I’m sorry.. I didn’t realize Goff had moved into Brady/Rogers/Manning territory and was the default OC.

My bad.

 

[Kupped]

So accurate. Lol

 

[kurtfaulk]

Nope.

And you “lead” teams to victory when you become a guy who, with the biggest games on the line, do special things.

That’s one of the things that separates good QBs from great ones.

And… again… Goff hasn’t won a Super Bowl and was flat-out awful in the one he went to. So, why are you talking about him and “great QBs” in the same sentence?

Who’s the whacky one?

you are very high on burrow, hurts, lamar jackson (haha), dak (hahahahaaaaaaa) and derpert. what have they won?

doen't confuse being great with being elite.

you're talking about elite qbs.

and yes, your take is whacky.

derpert. hahahahahahahahaaaaaaaa.

.

 

[PARAM]

I would like to be schooled on the list of QBs who excelled when things weren't perfect around them. When their OL sucked. Or when their receiving corp dropped a shit ton of balls. Or when their run game was non-existent. That list probably all wear gold jackets or will one day. Who said Goff was a future HOFer?

A coward in the pocket? Show me a QB who stands tall continuosly when huge D lineman or linebackers are bearing down on them and I'll show you a guy soon to be on IR. Goff has missed how many games in his career?

Fan boys? When condescention appears it's usually because that's the only ammo remaining to that side of the debate and reasonable discussion, for all intents and purposes has left the room.

I love Stafford but tell me how good he was in 2022. ALL QBs need talent around them to excel. Besides Mahomes.

 

[Giles]

I’m sorry.. I didn’t realize Goff had moved into Brady/Rogers/Manning territory and was the default OC.

My bad.

Those are the facts. Not my problem it doesn't fit your narrative.

 

[Giles]

I would like to be schooled on the list of QBs who excelled when things weren't perfect around them. When their OL sucked. Or when their receiving corp dropped a shit ton of balls. Or when their run game was non-existent. That list probably all wear gold jackets or will one day. Who said Goff was a future HOFer?

A coward in the pocket? Show me a QB who stands tall continuosly when huge D lineman or linebackers are bearing down on them and I'll show you a guy soon to be on IR. Goff has missed how many games in his career?

Fan boys? When condescention appears it's usually because that's the only ammo remaining to that side of the debate and reasonable discussion, for all intents and purposes has left the room.

I love Stafford but tell me how good he was in 2022. ALL QBs need talent around them to excel. Besides Mahomes.

Even mahomes needs talent around him or an elite defense. Mahomes had both much more on the latter side.

 

[CoachAllred]

Yea..Stafford sure carried us in that playoff gm when he went 0-3 in the rz. He was elite between the 20s...in the rz he was the one who had the deer in the headlights look.

In the SB
Did he like a deer in the headlights on the no look throw to Kupp
when everybody in the world knew he was throwing to Kupp
Or the go ahead touchdown to Kupp

I don't think some of you understand what Deer in headlights even means
It means to have the feeling and look of being overwhelmed and/or scared.
I have seen that look in Goff's eyes many times.
But Never in Stafford's
With Goff it's more being overwhelmed. he isn't the brightest QB
And he doesn't have that "IT" factor.

You see a QB who has that deer in headlights mentality doesn't
have the 6th most 4th quarter comebacks in the league history
A stat started in 1950.
But hey Goff is tied for 89th. I'm sure he will get there

Your example doesn't even describe what the term means.

NFL Fourth Quarter Comebacks Career Leaders (since 1950) | Pro-Football-Reference.com

1. Tom Brady (46), 2. Peyton Manning (43), 3. Ben Roethlisberger (41), 4. Matt Ryan (38), 5. Drew Brees (36),

www.pro-football-reference.com

 

[Giles]

In the SB
Did he like a deer in the headlights on the no look throw to Kupp
when everybody in the world knew he was throwing to Kupp
Or the go ahead touchdown to Kupp

I don't think some of you understand what Deer in headlights even means
It means to have the feeling and look of being overwhelmed and/or scared.
I have seen that look in Goff's eyes many times.
But Never in Stafford's
With Goff it's more being overwhelmed. he isn't the brightest QB
And he doesn't have that "IT" factor.

You see a QB who has that deer in headlights mentality doesn't
have the 6th most 4th quarter comebacks in the league history
A stat started in 1950.
But hey Goff is tied for 89th. I'm sure he will get there

Your example doesn't even describe what the term means.

NFL Fourth Quarter Comebacks Career Leaders (since 1950) | Pro-Football-Reference.com

1. Tom Brady (46), 2. Peyton Manning (43), 3. Ben Roethlisberger (41), 4. Matt Ryan (38), 5. Drew Brees (36),

www.pro-football-reference.com

Thats like saying I've seen it in Stafford eyes...that gm in those situations. That doesn't make it true now does it? Everyone perception of a situation can be different. Ive never saw goff looked scared. Confused yes but scared? Never. Who cares what he did 3 years ago? I know I don't, it's irrelevant. Last time I saw him he choked in the rz where we needed him to be elite or at least competent.

 

[PARAM]

Thats like saying I've seen it in Stafford eyes...that gm in those situations. That doesn't make it true now does it? Everyone perception of a situation can be different.

I've always enjoyed the body language experts who claim 'that guy is gutless', 'that guy isn't a leader', 'he doesn't want to win', 'his team mates don't have confidence in him', etc. Like they were in the huddle. Or like they can interpret casual facial expressions. Or maybe they just have special powers. It's comical.

 

[Kupped]

Those are the facts. Not my problem it doesn't fit your narrative.

Pure comedy, at this point.

 

[InfiniteRam]

Interesting, the comments on Goff, about how he can't win without a perfect system, perfect personnel, can't hang in there when things break down ...

I encourage you to look at Stafford's numbers in 2022, when things were falling apart here.

 

[Giles]

Pure comedy, at this point.

You're right, it is. You're ignoring actual facts to try to justify your narrative with nothing to back it up. It's laughable.

 

[Kupped]

You're right, it is. You're ignoring actual facts to try to justify your narrative with nothing to back it up. It's laughable.

Sure thing.

Maybe Johnson actually was the OC.


“But that’s simply the foundation. In a three-day offseason mind meld last offseason, Goff and Johnson spent the first two days going over aspects of the Rams offense that Goff liked and concepts that Johnson didn’t fully understand. But the third day was spent on true evolution, on what Johnson’s career had taught him—not just new wrinkles, but different systems, different teaching paradigms, new ideas grafted onto existing philosophies. The first two days were spent on the Rams offenses of the past; the third day was spent on starting to design the Lions offense of the future.”

How Ben Johnson Fixed Jared Goff and Became the Next Big Thing in NFL Coaching

www.theringer.com