Denver's OLB Von Miller traded to Rams

[TexasRam]

I would love to have Von back but he’s one position that you have depth at to fill with younger players.

When push comes to shove I am not sure he stays unless it’s a hometown discount.

There are lineman we will need to pay and the drop off from OBJ is steep. It’s Woods off an ACL and someone like Skow or Tutu that you are relying on.

 

[jacktheripper85]

Gonna have to decide if we want to keep OBJ or Woods.

Agreed and if we win the Super Bowl this year it probably makes the decision of which one to keep easier.

 

[GoodBadUgly]

I'd love to see that but Woody will be dealt. Sorry to say. It's gonna be him or OBJ.

I disagree, Merlin. With the dead money coming off, restructuring acumen in our front office, and increased CAP, it can and WILL happen.

Unless OBJ really is blowing smoke and it's all about the money. Then Rams will let him walk.

 

[Pupped]

I would love to have Von back but he’s one position that you have depth at to fill with younger players.

When push comes to shove I am not sure he stays unless it’s a hometown discount.

There are lineman we will need to pay and the drop off from OBJ is steep. It’s Woods off an ACL and someone like Skow or Tutu that you are relying on.

I disagree.
The dropoff from Von to next guy is significantly larger than from OBJ to Jefferson.

 

[Merlin]

I disagree, Merlin. With the dead money coming off, restructuring acumen in our front office, and increased CAP, it can and WILL happen.

Unless OBJ really is blowing smoke and it's all about the money. Then Rams will let him walk.

OBJ is not going to take a cheap contract. There will be a range the Rams have to be in and if they're not competitive he'll sign elsewhere.

If they sign him he is WR2. Not Woody. And Woody is making too much now for that. Here's his contract:

This is why I say it's OBJ or Woody.

 

[MachS]

I disagree.
The dropoff from Von to next guy is significantly larger than from OBJ to Jefferson.

Yea for sure. Hollins, Obo and "Mr. Inactive" T Lewis can't be counted on. People argued with me when I said Floyd isn't an elite edge. He's just not. Hes well rounded and a solid player, but not worth the contract we gave him last year. Von Miller is what an elite edge rusher looks like. He had 9 pressures yesterday to AD's 7. Someone you can't block 1-on-1. We have to keep Von no doubt whatever it takes.

 

[hotanez]

Gonna have to decide if we want to keep OBJ or Woods.

 

[nighttrain]

I'd love to see that but Woody will be dealt. Sorry to say. It's gonna be him or OBJ.

i love what Robert Woods brings to the Rams, but i think OBJ makes Rams stronger, trade Woods to Detroit for their 3rd rounder. Be a win for both teams

train

 

[Gandalf]

Yea for sure. Hollins, Obo and "Mr. Inactive" T Lewis can't be counted on. People argued with me when I said Floyd isn't an elite edge. He's just not. Hes well rounded and a solid player, but not worth the contract we gave him last year. Von Miller is what an elite edge rusher looks like. He had 9 pressures yesterday to AD's 7. Someone you can't block 1-on-1. We have to keep Von no doubt whatever it takes.

Especially when you consider what we gave up for him.

 

[Mackeyser]

I'm telling y'all...

We're keeping Von Miller and OBJ. Book it.

They gonna do some henky stuff otherwise, but they're keeping those two.

 

[dieterbrock]

Id say the player with the best chance of coming back is Sony Michel. And I'd put the odds around 5-1 against him coming back
Snead/McVay have been legends in acquiring players, but salary cap management has not been their strong point. Great acquiring, but very rarely do we get them re-signed.
And some that were re-signed? Paid a shit ton in dead money on them when released/traded shortly thereafter.....

 

[Mackeyser]

Id say the player with the best chance of coming back is Sony Michel. And I'd put the odds around 5-1 against him coming back
Snead/McVay have been legends in acquiring players, but salary cap management has not been their strong point. Great acquiring, but very rarely do we get them re-signed.
And some that were re-signed? Paid a shit ton in dead money on them when released/traded shortly thereafter.....

I respectfully disagree.

We've been MASTERS at manipulating the cap.

The dead money has to do with not allowing the cap to be our limiter for success. Were we better off dumping Gurley and eating the dead money? Yes. Gurley was DONE. It's the NFL. Every player's health is a crap shoot. I'd rather crap out than never roll the dice. And we're not talking a bunch of Drew Bennetts. We're talking about players who produced and then dropped off and the Rams FO is simply being more aggressive than most.

We will be able to retain whomever we choose to although it'll require pushing back some money.

Who stays will be about affirmative decisions... Who wants to stay and who the Rams want to stay, not that anyone can't stay because of the cap. There will be "cap casualties" but only because the Rams won't want to stretch for those players.

Von Miller wants to come back? Book it
OBJ wants to come back? Book it
Sony Michel wants to come back? Book it.


Will we lose guys? yes, but I don't think fear or caps will dictate our roster next year.

 

[hotanez]

I'm telling y'all...

We're keeping Von Miller and OBJ. Book it.

They gonna do some henky stuff otherwise, but they're keeping those two.

 

[1maGoh]

Id say the player with the best chance of coming back is Sony Michel. And I'd put the odds around 5-1 against him coming back
Snead/McVay have been legends in acquiring players, but salary cap management has not been their strong point. Great acquiring, but very rarely do we get them re-signed.
And some that were re-signed? Paid a shit ton in dead money on them when released/traded shortly thereafter.....

The only one I can think of that fits the profile you're describing is Brandon Cooks. I guess if you want to call Goff and Gurley acquisitions on level with Michel, Miller, and OBJ we are that dead money. I personally think there's a huge difference between trading for a guy and drafting one when looking at their contract extensions/re-signing. I don't think we ate a ton of dead cap for Peters or Talib. Or Watkins. We're not eating dead cap for Floyd or Ramsey.

We ate cap for Cooks, Gurley, and Goff. Two became injury issues overnight. One turned out to be a Cinderella story played in reverse, but again unexpectedly.

And through all that we remained competitive. That's pretty decent cap and talent management.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

I disagree, Merlin. With the dead money coming off, restructuring acumen in our front office, and increased CAP, it can and WILL happen.

Unless OBJ really is blowing smoke and it's all about the money. Then Rams will let him walk.

It was pointed out to me a few weeks ago that the money coming off the books is already accounted for through restructures of guys like Kill and Woods. Basically its already used up.

I think Woods does more for the team as a whole running, blocking, elusiveness and receiving. OBJ has him in the big play/red zone department. Woods gets better separation consistently. So far Van has not been able to duplicate Woods success in the Rams offense. Neither VJ nor OBJ seem to be possession receivers. Both can disappear for stretches of a game. Woods was always consistent.

 

[Loyal]

Dont forget this guy:

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That guy looks like hmmmm…Creed Humphreys?

 

[TexasRam]

I disagree.
The dropoff from Von to next guy is significantly larger than from OBJ to Jefferson.

Wait. Someone disagreed with me??!!


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Just kidding. Rams won. Life is good.


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You might be right on Miller. Who knows.


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But as for that Morris guy....


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[dieterbrock]

The only one I can think of that fits the profile you're describing is Brandon Cooks. I guess if you want to call Goff and Gurley acquisitions on level with Michel, Miller, and OBJ we are that dead money. I personally think there's a huge difference between trading for a guy and drafting one when looking at their contract extensions/re-signing. I don't think we ate a ton of dead cap for Peters or Talib. Or Watkins. We're not eating dead cap for Floyd or Ramsey.

We ate cap for Cooks, Gurley, and Goff. Two became injury issues overnight. One turned out to be a Cinderella story played in reverse, but again unexpectedly.

And through all that we remained competitive. That's pretty decent cap and talent management.

From my entire post that's the part you took out of it? Strange
Cap management isnt what they do best, player acquisition is
Rams had the highest dead cap in the league for a couple years in a row. Thats not good management.
And frankly, like 1st round picks, they dont care.
Thats the point, they arent about saavy cap moves or drafting talent with high draft picks. They're about player acquisition and caution to the wind on the rest. Its not a criticism, its the way they do business and the reason we are in the NFC Championship for the 2nd time in 3 seasons, in playoffs 4 of 5.
Who the Rams are? If there's a player out there they want, they'll figure out a way to get him over teams who cant figure it out
Who they arent? Smooth cap operators that can figure out a way to make it work when others cant

 

[1maGoh]

From my entire post that's the part you took out of it? Strange
Cap management isnt what they do best, player acquisition is
Rams had the highest dead cap in the league for a couple years in a row. Thats not good management.
And frankly, like 1st round picks, they dont care.
Thats the point, they arent about saavy cap moves or drafting talent with high draft picks. They're about player acquisition and caution to the wind on the rest. Its not a criticism, its the way they do business and the reason we are in the NFC Championship for the 2nd time in 3 seasons, in playoffs 4 of 5.
Who the Rams are? If there's a player out there they want, they'll figure out a way to get him over teams who cant figure it out
Who they arent? Smooth cap operators that can figure out a way to make it work when others cant

That was the only part I felt the need to respond to. I think disagreeing with that part shows a general disagreement with what I thought your premise was. Plus your post was, like, 3 sentences long. I didn't leave out much. I really don't respond to things unless I'm disagreeing. Most of you are smarter football people than I am and I don't just want to repeat the smart thing someone else said. If someone else is doing a good job disagreeing I usually leave those alone too. I thought this was an interesting topic and wanted to jump in.

This clarification of your stance makes more sense. If I wanted to nitpick I would write a long ass post on howi think not caring requires savvy but unconventional cap management. However, I don't want to be nitpicky because it doesn't really matter. We're probably saying the same thing with different words anyway.

 

[jacktheripper85]

Id say the player with the best chance of coming back is Sony Michel. And I'd put the odds around 5-1 against him coming back
Snead/McVay have been legends in acquiring players, but salary cap management has not been their strong point. Great acquiring, but very rarely do we get them re-signed.
And some that were re-signed? Paid a shit ton in dead money on them when released/traded shortly thereafter.....

Not so sure on Sony. I think he’s gone after this year. He wasn’t thrilled with the trade and based on how McVay used him I don’t think he’s a big fan of Sony.

Just my opinion but it’s like McVay uses him very grudgingly.