Defense: what adjustments can be made

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All fair points. And 53 saying that we'll ride it out, yes that of course seems likely.

But in regard to the younger options on this depth chart what they do offer is potential for upside. Lake could possibly improve us over either of that pairing. Tomlinson's maturity was on full display earlier this year but I am not going to put him in a box and say that is him permanently as some fans are want to do, he might offer us speed and tenacity if they can figure out how to focus him into a simplified role. Yeast I think is quite limited but yes even him as well, maybe he can re-win a role for that playoff run.

We are undergunned on defense but to what extent can we hope for a better product as a result of maybe some roles being juggled around. If among a few different moves just one of them starts playing at a high level in that role the net will be a better defense. I actually expect Morris and company to attempt some things to try to get this group to at least a higher level of consistency. What that is no idea, but it'll be interesting to track on and I hope they can maybe add a guy like Houston (who is the guy I'd prefer to see next to AD) and then some minor sorting and end up with a defense that goes into the playoffs on a fucking roll.
There are only a few guys on defense I would be comfortable with next season;

Donald
Turner
Brown
Young
Jones
Lake

I can live with a few others as depth or in low-snap roles… but those are the only guys I’d want playing a majority of snaps.
 

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Our safeties (particularly Fuller) need to play smarter. Lack of speed may be an issue, but when Fuller abandons his deep zone to double team/help on a crossing route, as appeared to happen on the first Saints TD, speed won't help.

Our CBs need to play smarter situationally - if they're one on one and know they will be, late and we have a two score lead - do not get beaten deep.

Ernest blitzing is our best combination to get a pass rush, and when he does AD needs to win his one on ones and late double teams more quickly
 

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It’s a great topic. We are at the cusp of beating those elite teams - with our offense clicking and our defense tweaked a bit, with Lake and Jones.

I see 4 ways we get over the hump and shock the sports world.

1. Tweaks to defensive personnel. Basically, try bench guys at positions that are under performing. CB, S, Edge.

2. Street signings. Basically call up your Eric Weddle. Who’s out there at positions of need?

3. Scheme change. Mcvay did this on offense with the Duo, motion, short passing game etc. What can Morris do? Not knocking Morris at all. This is a legit way to get over the hump. One way is to implement new blitz schemes or emphasize forcing fumbles by revisiting fumble forcing techniques. Think 99 Rams. Defense was average but forced turnovers. BTW - this can be a byproduct of an aggressive defense.

4. Outscore them. New wrinkles to the run game to make it even more unstoppable. FB etc. What if we dominated the TOP and our run game couldn’t be stopped? It’s a great recipe for the road games we are about to play.
 
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I'm putting Yeast above Fuller and Durant above Kendrick. I'd sprinkle in a bit of Hodges-Tomlinson and Jason Taylor II in the Giants game, just to get their feet wet.

Linebacker, STAR, Lake's my guy; he handles the coverage while Ernest Jones does the blitzing. I'd maybe play a bit more of Hampton, maybe a touch more of Mathis?

Desjuan Johnson deserves snaps as well; he's been a very underrated cog in our D-line, provides more of a pass-rush than Murchison.

Other than those things...well, not much else?
 

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I’m not sure there is much they can do personnel wise or it would have already happened.

I would like to see more creativity with blitz packages but that might be a problem with personnel too.

A few of the times I have been able to watch, the extra guys outside of Jones are ineffective.
 

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How about the reality that there really isn't much the Rams can do to tweak things on this defense this year that hasn't been tried. There's no one to elevate, no scheme design that will unlock improvement, no street signing that will get us over the hump.

This is it boys. This is what we got. Enjoy the ride. We're playing with house money this year but we ain't making the final table with this group.
 

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How about the reality that there really isn't much the Rams can do to tweak things on this defense this year that hasn't been tried. There's no one to elevate, no scheme design that will unlock improvement, no street signing that will get us over the hump.

This is it boys. This is what we got. Enjoy the ride. We're playing with house money this year but we ain't making the final table with this group.
This is where I'm at, basically.

My biggest issue with Durant is his lack of physicality... and how he played as a result. He seemed to me to be a player who avoided contact.. this week? He set the edge on a run play!! If he lays it all on the line, great.

That's the biggest thing Kendrick had over Durant.. both physicality and WILLINGNESS to get physical.

Durant can't change his body... but he can try harder.. and it looks like he's gotten the message.

Other than that? Seems like more snaps for Lake makes sense.. and they were trending that way before he hurt his hamstring.

They try a lot of shit on D.. heck... they're even rotating Reeder and Rozeboom just looking for little edges.. down to down.
 

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There are only a few guys on defense I would be comfortable with next season;

Donald
Turner
Brown
Young
Jones
Lake

I can live with a few others as depth or in low-snap roles… but those are the only guys I’d want playing a majority of snaps.

Id add Witherspoon and JJIII to that list. But yeah i feel you on this. Spoon would be a great second option behind a good #1 cb
 

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I'm putting Yeast above Fuller and Durant above Kendrick. I'd sprinkle in a bit of Hodges-Tomlinson and Jason Taylor II in the Giants game, just to get their feet wet.

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Desjuan Johnson deserves snaps as well; he's been a very underrated cog in our D-line, provides more of a pass-rush than Murchison.

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I like Desjuan Johnson too. In limited snaps, I thought he flashed. However, he has been inactive the past two games, with Earnest Brown dressed and getting a handful of snaps. Not a Brown fan. Last time I saw #90 make a play, Michael Brockers was in uniform.

Not a Russ Yeast fan. Just do not see he make much of an impact. Jordan Fuller, at least has some moments. Don't expect either Fuller or Johnson back in 2024, as the Rams do not often re-sign their safeties when they hit free agency.
 

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Id add Witherspoon and JJIII to that list. But yeah i feel you on this. Spoon would be a great second option behind a good #1 cb
I'd take JJ as depth.. and Spoon? Sure, maybe... but if he's your best corner, we're in trouble. And, like you said.. you'd upgrade across from him.
 

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I like Desjuan Johnson too. In limited snaps, I thought he flashed. However, he has been inactive the past two games, with Earnest Brown dressed and getting a handful of snaps. Not a Brown fan. Last time I saw #90 make a play, Michael Brockers was in uniform.

Not a Russ Yeast fan. Just do not see he make much of an impact. Jordan Fuller, at least has some moments. Don't expect either Fuller or Johnson back in 2024, as the Rams do not often re-sign their safeties when they hit free agency.

I am a Russ Yeast fan. I think he's a decent cover safety who hits really hard. Sort of like Nick Scott, ironically enough.

Shame that Johnson hasn't been active. I, too, like him over EB4.
 

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I'd like to see if we can have a conversation about our defense that does not involve the coaching. Try to keep this to personnel only. And the reason I think this is important is because we are on the cusp of making the playoffs but we're doing it with a lot of subpar parts and the question of how far we can go basically comes down to this unit. So this means here is the critical question right now:

"What adjustments can be made to make them better?"

For starters I think our biggest problem of late is our speed outside the hashes. Durant had to play in that game vs New Orleans due to matchups. But going forward what is the best combination of players out there for us IF we get in as that wildcard. Do we have answers on that depth chart.

I can't for the life of me figure out why Tomlinson is buried on the depth chart. My expectation was that he'd own a job by midseason. I was wrong, clearly. So maybe there's some ego at play here but if his problem is knowing the scheme can't we simplify the calls for him or something to improve the quality of the actual player in the role? Maybe his problem is not the scheme though. Idk.

Re: Durant it felt good to see him out there. On the outside he adds pick six threat on those quick throws that try to isolate corners. So while he's weak as shit physically the guy does have some advantage to him. He's not going to suddenly get stronger in the remaining window here. But maybe he's ready to take a lead role and help this defense improve a little bit on that boundary.

Lake I have to say has impressed the hell out of me in that slot role. It's impressive. But in a way it's not a good thing because it keeps him from that pairing. Or maybe more accurately he may be able to help us in that pairing.

Spoon all I can say is I don't think we have anyone who can handle his responsibility. So regretfully we're gonna need to ride him the rest of the way.

So here's what I'd do fwiw:

:helmet: First I'd move Lake back into that pairing. I'd start him there over Fuller. And look I respect Fuller's game but he had one top season with us and since that time the guy is hit and miss as hell. Lake is young, he's smart, he's physical. He might fuck it up on calls where he's got deep responsibility, but we already suffer that with Fuller. So let's give the kid a look. Worst case is more of the same. But best case is he elevates that pairing with JJ, who is better than Fuller in that regard. Also and lastly the extent of looks Lake would face can be adjusted in calls. Rams are capable of these things and have been doing them all season.

:helmet: Secondly I'd put Tomlinson in the slot and just man him up on whoever the draw is. No bullshit. Try to keep his responsibilities as simple as possible. If the staff feels it is necessary to alternate him with Kendrick that is fine by me. Letting those two alternate possessions would tap into their competitive instincts. But I'd put a corner in that job and try to keep it simple to ensure I get good coverage snap to snap.

:helmet: Third I'd have Jones coming on the blitz more frequently. This guy has a knack for affecting the QB. He's smart, he's strong, and his timing on the blitz is superb. The fact he affects A gaps so consistently is a weapon we need to take better advantage of. Now that said every QB is different. There are some who you can beat by dropping more guys to pick errant passes. And there are some who you are better off adding rushers to try to move their feet. In the games ahead if we get Goff for example you're better off with the extra rusher because he's one of those QBs who will repeatedly hit that open receiver. But I think Jones is a weapon that can improve our odds.

Not saying I have all the answers here. But I think for us to play up that darkhorse role we're going to need internal improvements in the defense, and in particular the secondary.
I believe we need to get more pressure on the the opposing QB I've concluded there are so many deep shots thrown against us is because of the clean no pressure pockets.
My solution is try and find someone in FA there are a bunch of names that are better than Hoecht he can be kicked inside and Williams can back up. Maybe a 3rd down rush specialist. I believe we are stuck to next off-season. Next off season we need 3 key players a great FS Fuller is not the answer, a dominant OLaB and dominant CB to along with Witherspoon and an upgrade at OLB over Rozeboom.

Lastly we started the NO game off with constantly rushing 5 we need to keep that up we can't rush with 4 especially not on 3rd down and long the QBs have too much time in the pocket to survey and carve us up.
 

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If the Rams could sign a Von Miller "type" they could win it all this year.
 

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If the Rams could sign a Von Miller "type" they could win it all this year.
Guessing the Buffalo Bills feel the same way. ;)

Per Pro Football Reference, in 10 games and 211 snaps, Miller has yet to record a sack or a tackle-for-loss.
He does have one tackle and one assisted tackle. To be fair, Miller has three QB Hits and two Hurries.

Von Miller has a $24M cap hit in 2024, with $32.5M of Dead-$ if he is cut pre-June.:shock:
 

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Guessing the Buffalo Bills feel the same way. ;)

According to Pro Football Reference, in 10 games and 211 snaps, Miller has yet to record a sack or a tackle-for-loss. He does have one tackle and one assisted tackle. To be fair, Miller has three QB Hits and two Hurries.

Von Miller has a $24M cap hit in 2024, with $32.5M of Dead-$ if he is cut pre-June.
I said "type" -lol. Meaning the same type of guy they signed in 2021. I truly believe that if they could sign a great edge they would go deep into the playoffs.
 

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Our safeties (particularly Fuller) need to play smarter. Lack of speed may be an issue, but when Fuller abandons his deep zone to double team/help on a crossing route, as appeared to happen on the first Saints TD, speed won't help.

Our CBs need to play smarter situationally - if they're one on one and know they will be, late and we have a two score lead - do not get beaten deep.

Ernest blitzing is our best combination to get a pass rush, and when he does AD needs to win his one on ones and late double teams more quickly
To me our safeties especially Fullers key responsibility is don't give up the deep ball. We keep constantly getting thrown on deep because of a poor pass rush resulting opposing QBs having too much time to throw deep combined with bad coverage.
 

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I said "type" -lol. Meaning the same type of guy they signed in 2021. I truly believe that if they could sign a great edge they would go deep into the playoffs.
I know. I was goofing on the Bills and Miller. Insinuating the Rams were fortunate to not re-sign Miller.

Unfortunately, I don't think there are any quality Edge rushers out there to sign.
 

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There are only a few guys on defense I would be comfortable with next season;

Donald
Turner
Brown
Young
Jones
Lake

I can live with a few others as depth or in low-snap roles… but those are the only guys I’d want playing a majority of snaps.
Unless I am forgetting someone that is my core as well.