Dante Fowler

[oldnotdead]

They will have the cap room for both Fowler and Ramsey. As I've pointed out there are about 5 or 6 guys that probably won't be resigned tying up about $50M in cap. I think they start the new season with $60-$70M in cap space next year. Not mega room but enough to sign who they need to sign.

Basically you use Whitworth's space for Dante, and Talib and Peters space for Jalen. I'm not worried at all.

 

[PhillyRam]

They will have the cap room for both Fowler and Ramsey. As I've pointed out there are about 5 or 6 guys that probably won't be resigned tying up about $50M in cap. I think they start the new season with $60-$70M in cap space next year. Not mega room but enough to sign who they need to sign.

Basically you use Whitworth's space for Dante, and Talib and Peters space for Jalen. I'm not worried at all.

Right now they have $23M in cap space for next yr and that includes the $5M they can rollover into next season.

So that does not count guys like Whitworth because they are no longer under contract in 2020.

So they have $23M plus any space created by releasing players like Weddle ($4M), Matthews ($2.4M), Hill $3M, Roby-Coleman ($4M).

Those are your only real candidates for adding cap space.

Of course you could also restructure guys, but that bites you in the ass down the road.

So it doesn't matter that guys like Whitworth are coming off the books because they are already not included in the reported cap numbers for next year.

 

[OldSchool]

They will have the cap room for both Fowler and Ramsey. As I've pointed out there are about 5 or 6 guys that probably won't be resigned tying up about $50M in cap. I think they start the new season with $60-$70M in cap space next year. Not mega room but enough to sign who they need to sign.

Basically you use Whitworth's space for Dante, and Talib and Peters space for Jalen. I'm not worried at all.

You're trying to do things with the cap to create space that just aren't real. As Philly above me says you're counting Whitworths cap space this year as not having to pay next year when that's already the case and there is no saving on him. We have in the neighborhood of $22 million next year. There's room to make a little more room with restructures which aren't always a good thing and with trading people which create more holes. But there is no way in hell we can get to $60-70 million in cap space.

 

[Akrasian]

Right now they have $23M in cap space for next yr and that includes the $5M they can rollover into next season.

So that does not count guys like Whitworth because they are no longer under contract in 2020.

So they have $23M plus any space created by releasing players like Weddle ($4M), Matthews ($2.4M), Hill $3M, Roby-Coleman ($4M).

Those are your only real candidates for adding cap space.

Of course you could also restructure guys, but that bites you in the ass down the road.

So it doesn't matter that guys like Whitworth are coming off the books because they are already not included in the reported cap numbers for next year.

To be fair, Kupp and Ramsey are under contract for next season - though free agents after. Ramsey already has a big cap hit - they could extend him with a big signing bonus, and keep his cap hit similar to what he'll be counting as anyway. Kupp needs a raise. His cap hit is small, but I would rather not have him decide to hit free agency. They can hopefully extend him, but his signing bonus will make the Rams' cap totals rise.

But yes, the Rams are going to have to be careful, and filling holes with pricey vets is unlikely. I anticipate trade downs in the draft to pick up more bodies to fill holes.

 

[oldnotdead]

Players with expiring contracts likely not to be re-signed and their current cap hit.

Whitworth $16.6M
Brockers $10.7M
Talib $8M
Roby-Coleman $6M
Brown $2.1M
Blythe $2M
Hill $1.7M
Current clear cap $4.7M
Current estimated cap increase in 2020 $15M

Estimated cap space $66.8M

Ramsey is due to make $13.7M next year and to extend him will cost an increase of about $4M more.

Fowler is making $12M now which is slightly more than K.Mack. To get him above K. J. Wright, it would be an increase of about $4M more which means Whitworth's salary would transfer to him.

So to extend both would cost about $33M / year. So basically Whitworth, Brockers and Talib's salaries will cover the extensions. I would rather have Fowler and Ramsey than those other 3.

 

[RamBall]

Players with expiring contracts likely not to be re-signed and their current cap hit.

Whitworth $16.6M
Brockers $10.7M
Talib $8M
Roby-Coleman $6M
Brown $2.1M
Blythe $2M
Hill $1.7M
Current clear cap $4.7M
Current estimated cap increase in 2020 $15M

Estimated cap space $66.8M

Ramsey is due to make $13.7M next year and to extend him will cost an increase of about $4M more.

Fowler is making $12M now which is slightly more than K.Mack. To get him above K. J. Wright, it would be an increase of about $4M more which means Whitworth's salary would transfer to him.

So to extend both would cost about $33M / year. So basically Whitworth, Brockers and Talib's salaries will cover the extensions. I would rather have Fowler and Ramsey than those other 3.

You are missing the point, Whitworth costs $0 against the cap next year, so not resigning him wont save anything. Same with Talib I think. And if all of them are not under contract for next year, then letting them all walk still saves $0 against the cap. I'm not one of the cap experts here by any means, but I do understand that if a player counts as $0 against the cap next year, letting him walk saves $0.

 

[OldSchool]

Players with expiring contracts likely not to be re-signed and their current cap hit.

Whitworth $16.6M
Brockers $10.7M
Talib $8M
Roby-Coleman $6M
Brown $2.1M
Blythe $2M
Hill $1.7M
Current clear cap $4.7M
Current estimated cap increase in 2020 $15M

Estimated cap space $66.8M

Ramsey is due to make $13.7M next year and to extend him will cost an increase of about $4M more.

Fowler is making $12M now which is slightly more than K.Mack. To get him above K. J. Wright, it would be an increase of about $4M more which means Whitworth's salary would transfer to him.

So to extend both would cost about $33M / year. So basically Whitworth, Brockers and Talib's salaries will cover the extensions. I would rather have Fowler and Ramsey than those other 3.

Ok gonna do you a favor here. Browse this:

2020 Los Angeles Rams Cap Table

The Los Angeles Rams 2020 salary cap table, including team cap space, dead cap figures, and complete breakdowns of player cap hits, salaries, and bonuses.

www.spotrac.com

Aside from Hill, Brown and NRC, who don't have an expiring contracts you won't see those guys on the roster for 2020 because they're free agents. You're trying to count the people who will be free agents as cap savings twice. Start with that page above and then see how you can save money. Get out of your mind that Talib and Whitworth will save us any cap space next year because there's nothing in 2020 for them to save us.

In fact here you go. These guys are all free agents for the Rams in 2020. If you don't resign them you don't save extra money because they carry no cap hit right now. Sorry you're trying to count savings where there's no money to count.

2024 NFL Free Agents Tracker

Tracking the status and signings of all 2024 NFL free agents.

www.spotrac.com

 

[Akrasian]

They will have the cap room for both Fowler and Ramsey. As I've pointed out there are about 5 or 6 guys that probably won't be resigned tying up about $50M in cap. I think they start the new season with $60-$70M in cap space next year. Not mega room but enough to sign who they need to sign.

Basically you use Whitworth's space for Dante, and Talib and Peters space for Jalen. I'm not worried at all.

And you're flat out wrong. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/los-angeles-rams/cap/2020/

The figuring of likely cap space already does not factor in Talib and Peters (but does include Jalen and Kupp's minuscule 2020 cap hit.) Oh, and already assumes Whitworth is gone.

Jalen can likely be extended with a big signing bonus that does not substantially raise his 2020 cap hit. Kupp's hit will increase, almost certainly - unless they gamble on delaying his signing. Fowler's resigning would necessitate a large portion of the available cap space being used - well over half. The fictional freeing up of $50 million in cap does not actually exist. It fails to factor in such things as Goff's cap hit rising nearly $26 million, along with other cap hits.

Yes, the Rams will need to make some hard decisions this offseason. Many fans will be disappointed.

 

[Mackeyser]

They will have the cap room for both Fowler and Ramsey. As I've pointed out there are about 5 or 6 guys that probably won't be resigned tying up about $50M in cap. I think they start the new season with $60-$70M in cap space next year. Not mega room but enough to sign who they need to sign.

Basically you use Whitworth's space for Dante, and Talib and Peters space for Jalen. I'm not worried at all.

Here's the thing... I think they extend Jalen Ramsey after the season. The way they extend these guys is that they play out their rookie contracts and they guarantee a lot of money up front, but don't pay it until the new contract which creates a bit if a balloon in the first year of the new contract.

So I honestly think that next year, Ramsey's cap hit will be the $13.5m which is $3.5 less than Talib and Peters.

I think the difference for Fowler is gonna be Edwards and Noteboom's recovery.

If Noteboom looks good in his recovery and Edwards keeps playing well, the Rams may not feel the need to splash on the OL and they'll have the money for Fowler.

So yeah, I think Fowler's retention is entirely dependent on the young guys on the OL stepping up.

 

[rams1fan]

They will have the cap room for both Fowler and Ramsey. As I've pointed out there are about 5 or 6 guys that probably won't be resigned tying up about $50M in cap. I think they start the new season with $60-$70M in cap space next year. Not mega room but enough to sign who they need to sign.

Basically you use Whitworth's space for Dante, and Talib and Peters space for Jalen. I'm not worried at all.

Whitworth is not on the 2020 cap. For 2020 Rams have 41 players signed (including Ramsey at 13mil) and 19 mill in space. Draft will take maybe 6-8 mill. So unless they can unload Cooks things will be tight. I dont see how they possibly keep Fowler. Maybe they can push out some of Gurley or Donalds 2020 money. But I dount they go that route.

 

[Florida_Ram]

If Goff wants him signed to an extension, I'm on board

 

[payote75]

Yes I want Ramsey here long term seeing his impact in limited playing time today was impressive literally allows us to do things that we been longing for.

Fowler as well I cried out for the Rams to acquire him all of last season and want him back

But we need Littleton as well.

If the Rams were somehow able to accomplish this and add an offensive lineman we couldn't ask for more.

Kupp and Johnson would have to wait.

Just don't see how it's possible unless Cooks is traded and I'd be ok with Kupp Woods Reynolds Thomas and a draftee great crop this year.

 

[PhillyRam]

Players with expiring contracts likely not to be re-signed and their current cap hit.

Whitworth $16.6M
Brockers $10.7M
Talib $8M
Roby-Coleman $6M
Brown $2.1M
Blythe $2M
Hill $1.7M
Current clear cap $4.7M
Current estimated cap increase in 2020 $15M

Estimated cap space $66.8M

Ramsey is due to make $13.7M next year and to extend him will cost an increase of about $4M more.

Fowler is making $12M now which is slightly more than K.Mack. To get him above K. J. Wright, it would be an increase of about $4M more which means Whitworth's salary would transfer to him.

So to extend both would cost about $33M / year. So basically Whitworth, Brockers and Talib's salaries will cover the extensions. I would rather have Fowler and Ramsey than those other 3.

You still don't get it

 

[BonifayRam]

Yesterday we watched first yr edge rushers Natrez Patrick #57 & Og Okoronkwo see plenty of snaps with the defense behind Ebukam & Fowler. Behind these four Wade has former all pro Matthews who will return after the bye.

Then the Rams have ER's Jachai Polite & Landis Durham stashed on the Practice Squad looking for their opportunity & both this rookies can play! Then if that not enough ER's Wade has two on the Injured Reserve in Justin Lawler & Josh Carraway.

I might be wrong but it would seem this Ram Organization is well-prepared to have enough young pass rushers here to perform when Fowler departs into free agency for a very large contact & gives Snead his badly needed to be awarded 3rd round compensation selection for 2021 draft.

 

[Adi]

I hope so, hes electric off the edge and has been a great compliment to AD. Cant wait to see them with Matthews back .

Losing whitt and brockers would help the cap unless they brought in another high paid LT.
Also would move on from Littleton if it was him or fowler.

 

[LesBaker]

One thing with Fowler is it allows Wade to send a guy behind him of his speed.

I've seen a sort of delayed blitz look more than a few times and it seems to work, it at least get's pressure.

I think Wade really likes having a player like Fowler.

 

[Mojo Ram]

On offense you'll be good enough having Kupp & Woods as your core WR's. The Rams have shown the ability to find other capable receivers to fill it out. Reynolds, Hodge, Webster. The numbers game forced these guys out.

Obviously Gurley is the core RB and the plan is to supplement him with younger cheaper backs.

Everett will be the guy at TE. He already is in my mind but in terms of cap hit that's down the road.

Goff.

The OLine? [cough]. Whit and Havenstein are what's left of an outstanding group and it's prob safe to say that Whit is gone after this season. There isn't a lot to bank on here.

Defensively our core group clearly starts with Donald. Peters is out, Talib won't be back IMO so a Ramsey deal will get done to pillar the secondary.
Matthews is a stop gap. As has been discussed, Littleton and Fowler are vital. Pass rush is vital. A LB who can tackle and cover sideline to sideline is also vital. If Obo can take a huge step forward as a pass rusher this year it makes the decision easier.

I've often scoffed at much of the doomsday cap talk for the last few seasons and i'll continue to do so. So far we've lost........Saffold.
A tough blow and he's been missed for sure but he is 31 yrs old. My point is that "good" front office ppl find a way.

I happen to believe in our guys making it work if it's at all possible to make the numbers work. My confidence is high in that dept. It's higher than my confidence in this coaching staff actually, and i really like this coaching staff. I feel like these on the fly offensive identity problems should have been worked out and implemented in the off season and TC, but that's a different discussion.

I think the Rams find a way to keep a core of these guys intact and they should.
Goff, Gurley, Kupp, Woods, Donald, Fowler, Littleton, Ramsey.

The OLine is going to be the biggest challenge going forward but i like how adept this team is at finding guys who can play(all over the roster) without spending blue chip draft capital.

I'm still not buying the doomsday talk.

 

[Canuckramsfan]

Looks like quite a few smart guys are contemplating who goes and who stays with Los Ramos in 2020.....um, one question from me...

with the real possibility of cutting mid-range guys like Robey-Coleman, Mathews, Weddle.......and high-priced guys like Whitworth, Talib, Fowler et al.....ALL TOUGH DECISIONS.

My Question: Given the tight Salary Cap situation coming up for Los Ramos, even with the expected $15Mil boost to the Salary Cap by NFL New York.....um....
...why in he H-E-double-hockeysticks does the Ram braintrust rip up the current contract for
Tyler RunsLikeHe'sGotAGrandPianoStrappedOnThisBack! Higbee,

and commit us to paying the pedestrian Higbee about $6mil/year till 2022???!!!

Why was Higbee's grand signing so critical???

 

[Merlin]

Defense is going to have a TON of moves this offseason. It's going to be significant...

1. They will let Talib walk in FA. Ramsey getting paid elite money and Hill's play will make this almost necessary. There is a chance Talib takes a team-friendly deal and hangs around but it's a longshot IMO.

2. They will cut NRC. I think Long's future is the slot. Moving him into NRC's spot saves them a ton of cash.

3. They will let Fowler walk in FA. I like the guy but he's unlikely to earn a top contract over time. If they were to pay big money for an edge rush it would be someone more proven. Matthews is locked up for next year on a very team-friendly deal. Obo seems to be coming into his own. Ebukam is also in the mix. It sucks but that tough decision is probably going to fall this way IMO.

4. They will make Johnson play out his rookie contract. I feel like he actually struggled a bit this year before his injury but he's a young bright spot for our defense they want to keep they are just going to want to see him ball out at a high level consistently next season. Reason I say this is because they have Weddle for next year, Rapp as a young up and comer, so there is no rationale for them to move everything up. Let him play in that contract year, if he's ballin out lock him up which works great for him taking that baton from Weddle the following season.

5. They will lock up Littleton. Losing him would kill our defense as the depth is subpar in that room after him. They're not gonna mess around with CL.

6. They will let Brock walk in FA. He's playing well, but the money on the DL is in Aaron Donald and rightly so. The days of $50+ million invested in the DL (i.e. 2018) are gone thank God.

7. They will lock up Fox. More affordable 5T option who can do different things and who has played very well for us this year. They have also put SJD in there at 5T vs the heavy run teams like SF so they have options.

 

[KayJay]

While I do agree Fowler is crucial in terms of rushing the passer. If you want a average to good defense, you need a star on every level. Defensive line is anchored by Donald, Linebacker core is anchored by Littleton, and our secondary is likely to be anchored by Ramsey. Those three are of the most importance to us. I'd love to have Fowler on board, I really would. But its not looking like its possible. I don't like the chances of McVay ignoring the offensive line again going into next year. I'm pretty sure money over time will be spent trying to solidify it; and rightfully so. Dude loves his offense, and you can bet your ass he's going to make sure Goff is being held upright before keeping Fowler in LA.