Coleman Shelton

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I don't have to neatly package them to easily disregard them. I can easily disregard them on an individual basis!

Personally, I'm not bothered by those who believe Shelton is not the right dude for the job.

More than likely, they were also convinced Allen wasn't the right dude for the job. And they were totally convinced we had to have Creed Humphrey.

So they can kvetch and complain, as wannabe GMs are apt to do, and I'll simply enjoy the success we have with who we've got.
As opposed to the wanna be GMs with our Simpson pick?


Couldn't resist you know for those that don't think hes the QB of the future.
 
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"Better" in my book would be a Center who doesn't need to be protected by the OGs next to him. Who doesn't require help vs a strong NT.

Of course the metric that matters most is can we win a title with him anchoring our line. I'd say that is probably a yes, if this team stays healthy at key positions. We won the last one with Allen at Center after all. But time will tell.


How much of needing help from the OGs next to him is offset by the mental aspect though?

The opposite end of that spectrum is a center that needs to help, but the overall line play suffers because of his lack of mental acuity at the position
 
Should it be mentioned that both starting OG's beside CS missed a good amount of offensive snaps. Dotson missed just under a quarter of the regular seasons snaps, Avila for the 2nd yr missed 46% & 26% of the Offensive snaps. So reserve Ol'ers have been busy working next to CS during last season.

CS did not loose any big important elements of the 2025 OL unit. RT Havenstein & LT DJ Humphries were not positive contributors in 2025. So CS will get a opportunity to familiar with Swing OL'er rookie Keagan Trost to replace the 2 OT's mentioned above.

I think the Rams are in great condition going into Training Camp of various young talented reserve centers behind CS with Limmer/ McMahon/ Dedich & rookie Austin Blaske.
 
How much of needing help from the OGs next to him is offset by the mental aspect though?
This is where you get into opinions. McVay clearly prioritizes those calls, perhaps that year with Limmer was such a drain on his QB that they said fuck this we need good calls. But the metric will be how we do in the playoff environment. Win it all and you can say he was good enough.
 
As opposed to the wanna be GMs with our Simpson pick?


Couldn't resist you know for those that don't think hes the QB of the future.
Maybe he is, maybe he isn't. He's in line to be but his story is barely beginning. Its 50/50 for any wanna be GM to be right. Too bad I can't get those odds for the lotto..... shit :laugh4:
 
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What's really funny is we have posters here who shit their pants when Goff was traded and had meltdowns over it, but now they're all-in on acting as if the Rams taking Simpson is some form of gospel.

Exchanging opinions on players is the purpose of these boards. Acting like those whose opinions differs from your own opinion are somehow trying to be "wanna be GMs" is disingenuous at best.
 
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What does "better" mean for a center in our offense? He gets some credit for the overall performance, and the tricky thing is, we don't really know how good a center is from the mental aspect. We can more easily see coverage busts without knowing the play call from the secondary than we can know exactly what benefit Shelton brings from the mental aspect.

My perspective is, he may not be the best individual blocker, but he clearly makes the rest of the offensive line better, which means there are very few centers I would trade him for given how good our line was last year.
I will go with Stafford and McVay both saying he is a plus to the offense because of the pre snap things.
 
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Rams OL starters last season to the right & left of CS were very large OL'ers. To the right was 330lbs & 320 or 315lbs. To the left there was 340 lbs & 330 Lbs. Thus CS was surrounded with very big guys with exception RG Dedich @ 295lbs filled in for Dotson. The same set is set back up this season. I do not put much weight on there being size issues with CS.

For me, Its really difficult to find fault with CS performance as a starter in 2022/ 2023 & 2025. CS played 3 {THREE} seasons as a starter for a total of only a total of $7.75 million of a salary cap hit. Only a little over $2.3 million a season. Am I wrong to believe that's a very big contribution for very little cap $$$ hit! Bargain!

CS
gave this Ram team the best on field performance @ center since the 2017/2018 season with veteran all pro John Sullivan had a salary cap hit of over $7.5 million a season. Going back a decade of McVay OC's with the likes of OC starters Barnes/ Blythe/ Rhaney & always injured Brian Allen seasons having CS provides me a comfortable feeling going into 2026.

I should throw in CS was raised in the LA area.
I would imagine Dotson, if you look at his size compared to when he came out, is probably closer to 350 lbs at 6' 4".
They never really update weights on players.
 
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I read some comments across the internet about having a C who can handle a NT one on one. I wondered how often that's required as I can't recall actually seeing it happen very often. So I asked AI and here's the reply.


"How many offensive centers are asked to block a nose tackle one on one?

Short answer: Very few. In today’s NFL, centers are rarely asked to block a true nose tackle (0‑tech) one‑on‑one, and when they are, it’s usually only the very best centers — the elite strength/anchor guys — who can survive it consistently.


Why it’s so rare

A 0‑tech nose tackle lines up directly over the center. That defender usually weighs 320–350+ lbs, has elite leverage, and is designed to overwhelm a single blocker. Because of that:

1. Most NFL protections are built to give the center help

  • In inside zone, the center almost always has a double team with a guard.
  • In gap/power, the center is often backside cutoff, not frontside drive.
  • In pass protection, the center is the “help” player, not the isolated one.
Teams design protections so the center can assist, not be isolated.

When centers do block a nose tackle 1-on-1

It happens, but only in specific situations:

1. Quick game / RPO

The ball is out fast, so the center just needs to stalemate for a beat.

2. Slide protection away from the nose

If the slide goes opposite, the center may be left alone briefly.

3. Elite centers

Only the top tier can consistently anchor vs. a 0‑tech:

  • Jason Kelce (despite size, elite leverage)
  • Creed Humphrey
  • Frank Ragnow
  • Corey Linsley (in his prime)
  • Ryan Jensen (when healthy)
These guys can survive — not dominate — a true nose."

I'm sure AI isn't always correct but that sounds very reasonable. And if it is, what some fans are looking for is a unicorn.
 
No offense against Coleman Shelton, but Blaske and Lindberg seem like they should get looks as well, as both are center prospects. McMahon is interesting as well. There's still Dedich and Limmer to think about as well. I could see Shelton be replaced after this year.

There's a few solid centers in next year's class as well. Iapani Laloulu (Oregon) was one of my favorites for this year's draft but didn't come out, and Sheridan Wilson (Texas Tech), Greg Johnson (Minnesota), and Joe Otting (Notre Dame) are legitimately an interesting prospect as well. That's not even mentioning that Cayden Green (Missouri), Austin Siereveld (Ohio State), and other tackle prospects could be a fit on the interior as well. I'm assuming that we're losing at least two offensive linemen, and A-Jax is a free agent after next year, so I'd love to triple down on offensive line.
 
I'm sure AI isn't always correct but that sounds very reasonable. And if it is, what some fans are looking for is a unicorn.
Sounds like you found a new friend to watch ball with. Congrats. :laugh4:
 
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There's a possibility that the Rams retain three of their pending OL free agents. They likely have an idea of how long Stafford will play.

If he retires after 2027, they'll have Simpson starting in year 3 of his rookie contract. They'll be paying Simpson $5mil in 2028 and 2029 instead of Stafford $55 mil. That's $50 mil. each of those seasons that you can spend on vets instead.

My guess at this moment is that they retain Shelton next year on a short-term contract and two of Dotson/McClendon/Avila on longer-term contracts.
 
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I read some comments across the internet about having a C who can handle a NT one on one. I wondered how often that's required as I can't recall actually seeing it happen very often. So I asked AI and here's the reply.


"How many offensive centers are asked to block a nose tackle one on one?

Short answer: Very few. In today’s NFL, centers are rarely asked to block a true nose tackle (0‑tech) one‑on‑one, and when they are, it’s usually only the very best centers — the elite strength/anchor guys — who can survive it consistently.



Why it’s so rare

A 0‑tech nose tackle lines up directly over the center. That defender usually weighs 320–350+ lbs, has elite leverage, and is designed to overwhelm a single blocker. Because of that:

1. Most NFL protections are built to give the center help

  • In inside zone, the center almost always has a double team with a guard.
  • In gap/power, the center is often backside cutoff, not frontside drive.
  • In pass protection, the center is the “help” player, not the isolated one.
Teams design protections so the center can assist, not be isolated.

When centers do block a nose tackle 1-on-1

It happens, but only in specific situations:

1. Quick game / RPO

The ball is out fast, so the center just needs to stalemate for a beat.

2. Slide protection away from the nose

If the slide goes opposite, the center may be left alone briefly.

3. Elite centers

Only the top tier can consistently anchor vs. a 0‑tech:

  • Jason Kelce (despite size, elite leverage)
  • Creed Humphrey
  • Frank Ragnow
  • Corey Linsley (in his prime)
  • Ryan Jensen (when healthy)
These guys can survive — not dominate — a true nose."

I'm sure AI isn't always correct but that sounds very reasonable. And if it is, what some fans are looking for is a unicorn.
thank you
 
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I read some comments across the internet about having a C who can handle a NT one on one. I wondered how often that's required as I can't recall actually seeing it happen very often. So I asked AI and here's the reply.


"How many offensive centers are asked to block a nose tackle one on one?

Short answer: Very few. In today’s NFL, centers are rarely asked to block a true nose tackle (0‑tech) one‑on‑one, and when they are, it’s usually only the very best centers — the elite strength/anchor guys — who can survive it consistently.



Why it’s so rare

A 0‑tech nose tackle lines up directly over the center. That defender usually weighs 320–350+ lbs, has elite leverage, and is designed to overwhelm a single blocker. Because of that:

1. Most NFL protections are built to give the center help

  • In inside zone, the center almost always has a double team with a guard.
  • In gap/power, the center is often backside cutoff, not frontside drive.
  • In pass protection, the center is the “help” player, not the isolated one.
Teams design protections so the center can assist, not be isolated.

When centers do block a nose tackle 1-on-1

It happens, but only in specific situations:

1. Quick game / RPO

The ball is out fast, so the center just needs to stalemate for a beat.

2. Slide protection away from the nose

If the slide goes opposite, the center may be left alone briefly.

3. Elite centers

Only the top tier can consistently anchor vs. a 0‑tech:

  • Jason Kelce (despite size, elite leverage)
  • Creed Humphrey
  • Frank Ragnow
  • Corey Linsley (in his prime)
  • Ryan Jensen (when healthy)
These guys can survive — not dominate — a true nose."

I'm sure AI isn't always correct but that sounds very reasonable. And if it is, what some fans are looking for is a unicorn.
Well, I think its not as much about handling a NT one in one, but being able to deal with a defense that attacks the center with blitzes or stunts. Having to block two guys, forcing the guard to help the center, which does result in one on one's per se.

Look at the Patriots SB, where Belicheck attacked John Sullivan with a NT and the MLB, Hightower, run blitzing over center on just about every play. It stuffed the run game and on passing plays it pressured Goff consistently. Sullivan was the weak link and they exposed him.

Of course then look what Jalen Carter did to Limmer on back to back plays. So it happens and it can be deadly to an offense, even if it only happens a handful of times a game.
 
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Who were the NTs who did that to Shelton last season?
I think McVay's scheme and Stafford's ability to read blitzes nowadays might protect the center a bit. You can't run blitz Stafford as easily without him identifying it and exposing it. The multiple TEs puts more pressure on the edges so a MLB cant give himself up blitzing over center or DT for that matter. They have to spread out more to help the DEs.
 
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