Bye Bye Brandon "Fired"

[den-the-coach]

I never realized that was a football term.

It is now.

 

[den-the-coach]

I just can't help but think Harbaugh won't work in the NFL again. No sound reasoning for it just a gut feeling. That could be the Mexican food from last night though.

IDK, every time I count him out, he shocks me. I don't trust anyone that drinks milk with their steak, but IMO, he would be a great fit for the Chargers.

 

[Merlin]

he did have some good things, too, pass yards allowed is one ... but the major ones ... not so good.

And I feel bad for the guy. Just don't think there is a place for him in LA. As Charger or Ram. He'' get hired as a consultant
and eventually get another gig as a DC. I doubt he gets another HC job. That's my guess.

Fuck Staley tbh. I don't feel sorry for him. He didn't waste any time poaching us or being willing to, either. He jumped too quick for the big job and chose poorly IMO. And he also screwed it up, or came up short, as most coordinators do.

But I also don't think it's right to crucify the dude for his defensive numbers in that head coach role. He made some good calls and some bad with his staff. It's tough to be in that HC role and not rely on your coordinators, even if that side of the ball was your bread and butter. Bottom line is the guy didn't lose the skills that allowed him to compete with McVay in live periods and produce a top defense with us in his one season. But he did get served some humble pie and it is well deserved. He now knows he isn't as smart as he thinks he is and that's not a bad thing for anyone who is a competitor.

If we were to look at this logically, or try to at least, I would think the Rams do have room for him as a hire. Owner is the best in the league and willing to open his wallet. There is no cap on staff. If McVay said he wanted him as an extra QC or some made up BS role Stan would do it.

Where it seems unlikely to me we add him during this season is because it's not in Staley's best interests. If he's working for us he's not fully vested in finding the best new staff to latch on to. Plus there is no guarantee Morris will get a gig. It is deserved and I think it happens this year but owners are stupid.

So if Staley were to be hired in any role where he starts now for us then I'd think there's an agreement in place where he's the DC after the season. Likelihood of the Rams being willing to do that is not good either. Reason for that is because it can cause issues among the guys we're depending on now to finish out this season with top gameplanning and prep.

As to Morris and the Rams defensive staff I am sure they would have no problems accommodating Staley as an added mind. Morris is a top shelf leader. He's not some insecure guy who is going to be afraid of having someone of Staley's talent working for him temporarily. But there is that chance it can throw things off so there is risk. Still though, I would guess overall this side of things is not an issue.

Bottom line is I agree it's unlikely we add him. But if so that won't be because he's not good enough, but rather a timing thing and mostly on Staley's end. Because it is unlikely the Rams would have a problem with a guy like him going at our film with detail and suggestions, and he would probably work for Morris in that regard to help avoid it being an issue.

 

[JimY53]

Fuck Staley tbh. I don't feel sorry for him. He didn't waste any time poaching us or being willing to, either. He jumped too quick for the big job and chose poorly IMO. And he also screwed it up, or came up short, as most coordinators do.

But I also don't think it's right to crucify the dude for his defensive numbers in that head coach role. He made some good calls and some bad with his staff. It's tough to be in that HC role and not rely on your coordinators, even if that side of the ball was your bread and butter. Bottom line is the guy didn't lose the skills that allowed him to compete with McVay in live periods and produce a top defense with us in his one season.

If anyone put up his numbers they'd be criticized. McVay handled play calling on offense and HC at times. Staley is not dumb, he has skills. He just failed. So we differ there, his numbers show he's not some genius.

Where I agree is he was not ready for prime time. Should have not accepted a head job with such little experience, but you guys are ambitious and it happens to a lot of them, so I don't blame him or hold it against him. He just wasn't ready.

However, you feel about someone is your business. This is a case of we feel differently.
For some of the reasons you state not everything is his fault. But any player (almost)
or coach associated with the Rams I like to see succeed and feel badly if they fail. That's just me.

My bottom line is he's a smart guy but no god because of one good year. And he's no bum for three bad years.
However, to some (not saying you) he is a god and others are bums.

 

[Kupped]

If anyone put up his numbers they'd be criticized. McVay handled play calling on offense and HC at times. Staley is not dumb, he has skills. He just failed. So we differ there, his numbers show he's not some genius.

Where I agree is he was not ready for prime time. Should have not accepted a head job with such little experience, but you guys are ambitious and it happens to a lot of them, so I don't blame him or hold it against him. He just wasn't ready.

However, you feel about someone is your business. This is a case of we feel differently.
For some of the reasons you state not everything is his fault. But any player (almost)
or coach associated with the Rams I like to see succeed and feel badly if they fail. That's just me.

My bottom line is he's a smart guy but no god because of one good year. And he's no bum for three bad years.
However, to some (not saying you) he is a god and others are bums.

Yeah, I'm not sure what to think about him as a DC at this point.
He was ahead of the curve with coverages when he was the Rams DC.. bringing stuff that had been used in college, from what I've read/heard.
Has he grown, adjusted? I don't know. And if he hasn't.. is it because he can't, or because he was just in over his head with the HC thing.

I know I'd be more confident in Evero.. even though the Panthers are giving up points this year. I don't know how much of that is him.. and how much is the overall shit show there. His unit's doing great from a yardage perspective.

 

[HE WITH HORNS]

Could be that Staley is an Xs and Os type of guy, and not a motivational type. Maybe that's why he did well here, under McVay, who got the team pumped up.

 

[JimY53]

Yeah, I'm not sure what to think about him as a DC at this point.
He was ahead of the curve with coverages when he was the Rams DC.. bringing stuff that had been used in college, from what I've read/heard.
Has he grown, adjusted? I don't know. And if he hasn't.. is it because he can't, or because he was just in over his head with the HC thing.

Very well could be. I think he took the use of Fangio things that Stanford was running that spread through college football and became one of the first disciples to get hired. I think, if I understand it right, he used light boxes, 2-high looks, the quarters family and that is what got him the job with Fangio. Denver's D was excellent and he became the hot commodity.

An analytics-driven philosophy that befuddled offense guys at first. Teams with good OCs began solving it more and more.

If the Fangio scheme stays in vogue he will get some opportunity to be a DC. Head coach? More like Linny, Martz, Spags to use Rams examples - usually employed but not top dog

 

[KJD_Ram]

Thanks Faiders...hang 63 on the Renters...wish you could have hung four on the Queens last week...

 

[ArkyRamsFan]

The Chargers have fans????

Of course they do. And they hold their meetings in a phone booth.
( Google it, millennials!)

~ArkyRamsFan~

 

[Mackeyser]

What for? Not only was he the head coach he was defensive play caller

during his time with Chargers --
31st points allowed
31st yards allowed
31st in rushing yards allowed
25th defensive passer rating
28th 3rd down conversions

And how was he solely as a DC under McVay? Ya know, without all the added responsibilities of being the HC?

That’s why some are wondering if he returns. As a DC under McVay, he was amazing

 

[JimY53]

And how was he solely as a DC under McVay? Ya know, without all the added responsibilities of being the HC?

That’s why some are wondering if he returns. As a DC under McVay, he was amazing

That's the thing. He did great. For one year. And as has been discussed he
was using a defense he learned from Fangio and it was fairly new to NFL.

So what current evidence shows is it is possible that 2020 was not indicative of
his skills. Now that there is more data any analysis has to include both the Rams
and Chargers jobs.

That is why I said he's smart. That he's not a bum because he failed with Chargers
And I also said he's not a god based on one year with Rams.

I wish him well, I feel sorry for him. I don't think he's dumb or anything but I also
think evidence shows that the anomaly was the Rams not the Chargers.

When he gets his next job we will, of course, have more data.

As of now it may be fair to say he was not as good as he was with Rams and not
as bad as he was with the Chargers.

Because of that, I mentioned he will go somewhere as a consultant and eventually
get another DC job. I just don't think the DC job would be in LA

 

[Angry Ram]

Of course they do. And they hold their meetings in a phone booth.
( Google it, millennials!)

~ArkyRamsFan~

Umm excuse me. Us millennials would run to phone booths and press the little level hoping for unclaimed change to pop out.

 

[RamFanInPC]

Could be that Staley is an Xs and Os type of guy, and not a motivational type. Maybe that's why he did well here, under McVay, who got the team pumped up.

Agree. Not everyone can lead no matter how much of a subject matter expert they are.

 

[den-the-coach]

And I feel bad for the guy.
and eventually get another gig as a DC. I doubt he gets another HC job. That's my guess.

He was 24-24 as a Head Coach, if he coordinates a defense that is in the upper tier& works for a great staff, he could definitely get another HC Gig IMHO.

 

[JimY53]

He was 24-24 as a Head Coach, if he coordinates a defense that is in the upper tier& works for a great staff, he could definitely get another HC Gig IMHO.

Sure, it is possible. I just differ with your comment of "definitely". Too many ifs.

Just using Rams examples of smart guys never getting head shot again because they couldn't/didn't show they had what it takes to be the head coach -- Martz, Linehan, Spags. IMO Staley is more or less in their category.

Staley was almost fired last year but owner too cheap to do it.

You could be right, though. No one actually knows.

 

[SteezyEndo]

It is upsetting that he was actually fired, but it was warranted after an embarassing performance. I honestly feel like he knew it was coming much sooner than later, it took time for him to realize he may have made a mistake on taking on the role of an HC job but obviously outta all the candidates he was chosen so he has the qualities just isn’t seasoned enough to be a HC… In time…

 

[SteezyEndo]

Just saw local news McVay chimed in on the firing of Staley and seems confident he will find a job. They seem close so who knows what may come….

 

[Angry Ram]

It is upsetting that he was actually fired, but it was warranted after an embarassing performance. I honestly feel like he knew it was coming much sooner than later, it took time for him to realize he may have made a mistake on taking on the role of an HC job but obviously outta all the candidates he was chosen so he has the qualities just isn’t seasoned enough to be a HC… In time…

Warranted yes. You cant keep losing especially like that. But I'm starting to get annoyed at the snark being thrown his way. Have some freaking decency

 

[Neil039]

Just a side note from the game last night. As the Raiders poured it on, literally, Staley's ball cap kept getting pulled lower over his brow. By the end of the night it was difficult to see his wet eyes.

 

[AZRams]

He was 24-24 as a Head Coach, if he coordinates a defense that is in the upper tier& works for a great staff, he could definitely get another HC Gig IMHO.

Record is misleading almost as to how bad a HC he was.