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I think one aspect that is overlooked is that the Ram's have 2 "safeties" that have CB speed. Scott runs a 4.43 and Burgess runs a 4.46 and both are 5'11" which is the average height for a CB. The way Scott is coming on this year is going to allow Morris to use them in ways most teams can't use their safeties. The word is that Morris favors cover 2 & 3 concepts. The speed of Burgess and Scott will allow Morris to be aggressive in his cover 2 as both have sideline to sideline speed. This is why IMO the Rams weren't concerned about "needing" a SCB. They in essence have that with these two safeties. It's why I've always felt that Morris' pass defense package might include 4 safeties. Fuller and Rapp filling those underneath roles where teams normally use ILBs (SAM & MO) and still having 2 safeties with CB speed. This would mean the remaining ILB (Reeder with 4.64 speed) as the remaining ILB over the short middle also defending the A gaps against a draw.

If a team attempting to come from behind lines up in a 4 WR set, the Rams can counter with Ramsey (4.41), Williams (4.44), Scott (4.43), and Burgess (4.46), and no one is going to outrun this secondary. If you line up in a 4 WR set, you are banking on holding off Floyd, AD, Robinson, and Hollins long enough to get deep? LOL Good luck! Both Reeder and Jones have the speed to slide from side to side to take away rollouts and scrambles and can play delayed runs well.

With the personnel, Morris has, especially in his secondary cover 2 & 3 makes sense. It's why I think even if this defensive ranking dips a bit this might be an even better defense. Better in terms of being more balanced. The weakness of Staley's scheme is its reliance upon the offense forcing the opposition to play pass to catch up. A team with a balanced run-pass offense gives Staley's scheme problems. This is something I know McVay saw and why he spent draft capital on E. Brown, B. Brown, and E. Jones. When these guys develop it will give them a solid run defense rotation. They are being brought in specifically to counter Seattle and the Niner's run attack.

I think overall Morris probably will produce a more balanced defensive scheme. This is the strength of Tampa's defense who aren't the highest-ranked defense in terms of run & pass. But they are good enough to make both run and pass difficult.

I think the Rams have the personnel to dominate defensively both against the run and the pass. IMO Morris will employ more sub-packages, particularly against the run. Now with Stafford, the hope is that the Rams can force a shootout every week and that they have the talent on both sides to win those games.

That's why I think the evolution of Scott is going to pay huge dividends especially in combination with Burgess. When they are both on the field it's going to give the Rams essentially 4 CBs in their nickel enough to smother the passing game and force the QB to dump his passes early. These two guys give the Ram's nickel package true speed that will make throwing against it a risky proposition. Stafford's praise of Scott yesterday should not be discounted.
 

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Nice write up. Agree with all of your assessment except for Reeder. He is a liability in pass coverage. He plays hard but lacks any quickness in his change in direction. I like him as ILB 4 for goaline and rushing downs.
 

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what is @oldnotdead 's fascination with reeder?

we all gave him a pass his rookie year on coverage because he was a rookie. i think he was worse last season. i don't see him on the field unless there are injuries.

and if they're gonna use a safety in place of a lber it will be rapp.

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Nice write up. Agree with all of your assessment except for Reeder. He is a liability in pass coverage. He plays hard but lacks any quickness in his change in direction. I like him as ILB 4 for goaline and rushing downs.
I agree - I am still trying to figure out what speed he is referring to when it comes to Reeder

Otherwise it was a very nice write-up

I think Kiser has more speed than Reeder and hearing good things about Jones
 

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Not in a hurry to crown Morris. He has yet to demonstrate he is a top DC in actual on-field production. Dude has a great roster now so gonna wait and see and hope.

I also like Reeder. He grew on me last year rewatching our games. He is a backup type but the best of our options prior to Jones being brought in. Jones is very similar athletically to Reeder with better instincts and change of direction. But I certainly appreciate what Reeder did last year.
 

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Not in a hurry to crown Morris. He has yet to demonstrate he is a top DC in actual on-field production. Dude has a great roster now so gonna wait and see and hope.

I also like Reeder. He grew on me last year rewatching our games. He is a backup type but the best of our options prior to Jones being brought in. Jones is very similar athletically to Reeder with better instincts and change of direction. But I certainly appreciate what Reeder did last year.
The Green Bay game exposed Reeder a little bit.

When Donald is playing full steam ahead, Reeder is able to get off the blocks because the linemen are usually late getting to him.

Against Green Bay, with Donald limited, Reeder had a tough time getting off blocks. Plus he and Young had a really difficult time with the sideline throws by Rodgers. There were a few back to back ones that I just couldn't believe that Reeder and Young did not see coming.
 

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The Green Bay game exposed Reeder a little bit.

When Donald is playing full steam ahead, Reeder is able to get off the blocks because the linemen are usually late getting to him.

Against Green Bay, with Donald limited, Reeder had a tough time getting off blocks. Plus he and Young had a really difficult time with the sideline throws by Rodgers. There were a few back to back ones that I just couldn't believe that Reeder and Young did not see coming.

To be fair most LBs have a hard time against Rodgers
 

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To be fair most LBs have a hard time against Rodgers
Yeah but they didn't even start running over to tackle the running backs until after Rodgers threw to them.

It's like they just let the Running back go to the left without anyone covering them. I think both plays got over 20 yards.
 

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The Green Bay game exposed Reeder a little bit.

When Donald is playing full steam ahead, Reeder is able to get off the blocks because the linemen are usually late getting to him.

Against Green Bay, with Donald limited, Reeder had a tough time getting off blocks. Plus he and Young had a really difficult time with the sideline throws by Rodgers. There were a few back to back ones that I just couldn't believe that Reeder and Young did not see coming.
I'll note that in that Green Bay game the offense motioned Reeder out a ton through the use of two back sets (which it will be interesting to see how Morris handles that this year), where Reeder's assignment required him to move outside the box to cover the threat in the flat. Then they would run into what was a light box. There were a lot of successful run plays that utilized that strategy in the game. That wasn't Reeder's fault but rather a schematic edge the Rams didn't handle well.

He did have one play that pissed me off, where he got juked in the hole in the redzone. Kind of crazy but it happened. But he also made a nice play deflecting a pass. Either way Jones will be our guy here soon. But I feel like Reeder is a better ILB than Kiser for this DEfense.
 
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I'll note that in that Green Bay game the offense motioned Reeder out a ton through the use of two back sets (which it will be interesting to see how Morris handles that this year), where Reeder's assignment required him to move outside the box to cover the threat in the flat. Then they would run into what was a light box. There were a lot of successful run plays that utilized that strategy in the game. That wasn't Reeder's fault but rather a schematic edge the Rams didn't handle well.

He did have one play that pissed me off, where he got juked in the hole in the redzone. Kind of crazy but it happened. But he also made a nice play deflecting a pass. Either way Jones will be our guy here soon. But I feel like Reeder is a better ILB than Kiser for this offense.
I like Kiser better but he gets injured too much. I am hoping Jones can get in gear quickly which can happen with rookies on the defensive side.
 

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Nick Scott interception garners praise from Matthew Stafford and Sean McVay​

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Cameron DaSilva

August 4, 2021 8:30 am PT

Terrell Burgess and Taylor Rapp are under the spotlight in the Rams’ search for a new starting safety after John Johnson left in free agency, but Nick Scott played some good football last season as the team’s third safety and is making some noise in camp. He caught the attention of both Matthew Stafford and Sean McVay on Tuesday for a play he made at the end of practice. He picked off the Rams’ starting quarterback on a deep pass to Robert Woods, cutting underneath the route for the interception.

There’s no video of the play, but it garnered some praise from Stafford afterwards.

“Nick Scott, what a play at the end,” Stafford said. “That was as good a play I’ve been around in the safety spot. Happy that he’s on our team. Don’t want to turn it over, but that was a great play.”

McVay has been pleased with the play of his secondary thus far, and he also highlighted Scott’s interception in his post-practice press conference.

“We’re doing a lot of different things, a lot of different personnel groupings and thought it was a real positive and we’re getting our hands on the ball and we’re catching it,” he said. “You see Nick Scott makes a big play at the end there, ‘Double D’ (Donte Deayon) makes a good breakup, guys consistently showing up. Darious Williams had a good breakup and in of the kind of the pass-game settings and I was really pleased with that group today.”

Scott is likely still behind Burgess and Rapp at safety, as well as Jordan Fuller, but having him as a backup is invaluable for the Rams. In the event of injury, which Fuller, Rapp and Burgess have all suffered, Scott gives the defense another reliable option in the secondary.
 

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That is some high praise by Stafford.
 

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Nice write up. Agree with all of your assessment except for Reeder. He is a liability in pass coverage. He plays hard but lacks any quickness in his change in direction. I like him as ILB 4 for goaline and rushing downs.

I CALL pure BS!!! Hollins needs to get tougher. REEDER makes plays in Coverage.He was 1 of the reasons The Rams went from middle top on Defense to THE BEST DEFENSE in THE NFL!!! I saw a few times Reeder stopping a short run if Hollins would just hold up his end of it.
Troy Reeders liability is going sideline to sideline. He protects
well against TE’s in the middle. I’m all about down & distance.He stepped up.
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That is some high praise by Stafford.

Yep - I don’t know what has gotten into me,but I think Scott might get more playing time than Burgees.In fact I think Fuller might move up in Nickle & Dime ?
Tyler Rapp still showing how much depth The Rams have. Mcvay praised DD (Deayton) which was cool to hear.
We are all hearing & seeing how good The Rams WR’s are playing & the depth. That is only making the DB’s better. Going against The Best WR group in The NFL makes them have to compete at a higher level.
#21 has good cover skills.He is a little small,but his toughness will have to show up in the preseason.
 

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I CALL pure BS!!! Hollins needs to get tougher. REEDER makes plays in Coverage.He was 1 of the reasons The Rams went from middle top on Defense to THE BEST DEFENSE in THE NFL!!! I saw a few times Reeder stopping a short run if Hollins would just hold up his end of it.
Troy Reeders liability is going sideline to sideline. He protects
well against TE’s in the middle. I’m all about down & distance.He stepped up.
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You are certainly entitled to your opinion. You might want to work on being more articulate if you want people to follow along.
 

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I’d say don’t disrespect Troy Reeder rolling with The Number 1’s .Micha Kiser is still the Vet !!

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You are certainly entitled to your opinion. You might want to work on being more articulate if you want people to follow along.
Well we all know Kiser was 100% in the Playoffs. If it makes you feel good
to down play Troy Reeder starting is okay. The coaches proved to me what they thought. Go Reeder !!
 

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I won’t go blind to Reeder being on the 2nd unit. E. Jones is the future.

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Burgess is our nickel corner
He may play some safety as well, but right now he is a CB
 

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Reeder (4.64) is faster than Jones (4.73). Reeder is built like a LB at 6'2" 245lbs but runs like a SS. Reeder's production last year was much better than most people realize. He only started 7 games and only took 41% of the defensive snaps. Yet he garnered 2 PD (he's not the liability some claim), 81 tackles with 53 being solo, 5 TFL, 3 sacks, 4 QB hit, and 1 QBKD. His PD stats are good for an ILB. If you compare Reeder's stats to any good MIKE they will compare favorably. That's why I think it would be beyond foolish to replace a guy on the rise. Finding a good MIKE isn't as easy as most assume. More importantly, he's been durable.

If Morris adopts cover 3 as his base scheme as I think he will he will play both Reeder and Jones together as his two ILBs. With Scott or Burgess, Morris has exceptional speed in a safety to cover a Y receiver yet with enough size to provide good run support as well. If a vet LB is in jeopardy it's Young. I think Reeder and Jones would make a good pair inside.

Again it's pretty obvious from this draft that the Rams want to shore up their run defense and in doing so give Morris more options on using his players. It's going to be fun to see how this defense is played by Morris.