Bryce Perkins

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Do the Rams carry 3 QBs this year? It's obvious how much McVay likes Perkins. There is another reason as well. If you watched the AZ game, it's clear to me they would grab Perkins because he's what Murray would like to be. Murray continues to struggle reading defenses. Perkins is improving in that regard. In many ways, Perkins is better even as a #2 than anyone else on the Cards roster.

The other option might be to release Wolford at the last cutdown. He stands a much better chance of clearing waivers than Perkins right now. There is too much positive film on Perkins now that IMO he wouldn't clear waivers.

Wolford will be an ERFA next year meaning the Rams control whether they keep him. Perkins would be an ERFA in 2023 meaning they control him for 3 years as opposed to Wolford's 2 years. Perkins would also, make pretty good trade bait as well. I wasn't overly enthused with Perkins after last week. But he showed me something tonight. In another year Perkins will be a better QB than Wolford. He's simply got more upsides. Perkins has starter potential. I'm not sure Wolford does.

Perkins would provide the Rams with a long terms alternative to Stafford. They control Bryce for the next 3 years. A lot can happen to Stafford in that time. Perkins would potentially offer McVay a homegrown solution at QB as a follow-up to Stafford.

Right now Perkins' timing is many times slow. Many of his passes to Tutu were inaccurate and late. But those are things that are correctable by good coaching. Perkins isn't a running QB but he has the ability to run well when he needs to. He has shown an ability to extend plays. What Perkins gives the Rams is the potential of having a true starting quality QB behind Stafford, not just a good bandaid which Wolford brings to the table.

There was a time teams carried 3 QBs as their normal roster. The idea being a true developmental future starter is worth more than the lowest player on the roster. In the Ram's case this year that may in fact be what McVay is thinking. The rumor is that Perkins was going to be Goff's eventual replacement. I think the Ram FO may still have that perspective. Perkins may give the Rams an option 5 years from now. They realistically could keep Perkins for at least 4 more years maybe 5 if Perkins knew he was going to be the next starting QB, i.e. much like the Saints and Hill. This will give them an option to extending a QB who would be 38 or 39 years old.

IMO that is why Sean played Perkins this entire game and why he was smiling at the end of it. I think we just saw Perkins become the #2 QB. The only question now is do they keep Wolford? I think they do simply because finding good backup QBs isn't as easy as some think. It's why I think why not carry 3 QBs for 2 years? Then let Wolford walk when he's a UFA three years from now. Until then the Rams have true depth at the most important position on the team.
 

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I don't think Perkins is better than Wolford. I think Wolford is a more polished version of Perkins, similar skills/profile but has a stronger grasp of this system and anticipating what defenses are doing, etc. That mental side is really important to McVay.

But I also think Perkins has more upside than Wolford. Watch some preseason ball of other clubs and there's some bad QBing out there. I honestly don't think Perkins would clear waivers. So I'd keep him and go 3x at QB this year. Then he should be able to go head to head with Wolford next year.
 

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The other option might be to release Wolford at the last cutdown...
IMO that is why Sean played Perkins this entire game and why he was smiling at the end of it. I think we just saw Perkins become the #2 QB.
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Perks is nipping at Wolford's heels.

Side note. The [cough]illegal stream i watched tonite had no commercials and during the breaks there was a good amount of real time bonus coverage of the Rams sideline.

I saw Perkins come off and Wolford had the ipad and was going over some things one on one with him.

Another moment i caught was Garrett (after his big series) standing alone while the offense was on the field. Dude was laser focused and you could tell he was itching to get back in there and wreak some more havoc. I think this kid loves football and that's a great sign.
 

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I don't think it's too far fetched. What we know is that Wolf isn't playing any preseason and he's pretty much the only non-starter sitting it out. We also know he may not be durable.

Just sayin. Now pass me that bong...

I don't believe Wolford will be having a second appendectomy. It's bad timing, not a durability issue.
 

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I don't think it's too far fetched. What we know is that Wolf isn't playing any preseason and he's pretty much the only non-starter sitting it out. We also know he may not be durable.

Just sayin. Now pass me that bong...
McVay has shown that if he thinks so highly of you that you don't even dress for preseason games, then you are a "made man" (in mafia terms). McVay said about 35 guys wouldn't dress for the SD game, so it's not limited to starters.

Still remember how McVay was positively glowing when he talked about Wolford after Arizona, how he said Wolford was the MVP of the game and all that. Also remember how excited McVay was to start Wolford in the playoffs.

Compare McVay's confidence in Wolford to Perkins--a really raw guy who has all of 2 preseason games under his belt, with 3rd stringers. The Rams are SB contenders. Are we really supposed to think McVay would hand over the car keys to a guy that raw? Just makes no sense. Yeah Perkins looked good tonight, but as other posters noted, he made his share of mistakes and poor throws.

I agree with @Merlin that Perkins definitely could develop and challenge Wolford for #2 next year.

But to say McVay is going to cut an established vet backup that he's shown a ton of faith in, for a guy who's so raw and unpolished? The guy who was fourth behind "Duck" just a week ago?

No freaking way McVay is cutting Wolford and going with Perkins as the #2 right now. That notion is deserving of a bong hit.
 
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I hate to be that guy but this might be one of the hottest preseason takes I've ever read lol.

Kyler Murray wants to be like Perkins? Perkins taking over for Stafford in 3 years? Wolford getting cut?

Sorry man, but this post has "Austin Davis is the next Kurt Warner" energy. Looks really raw to me, the ball accuracy and velocity past 10 yards is just all over the place. He's exciting as a runner but as a passer I'd need to see a lot more consistency in the intermediate and deep game. I just don't know if the arm strength is there and he's thrown some straight up head scratchers as well.

I will say I do like how he navigates and escapes the pocket, but sadly doesn't seem to be very good at throwing on the run which would really complement his playing style.

I think we try to stash him on the practice squad with an outside chance we decide to keep 3 QBs this year because of the longer season.
 
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McVay has shown that if he thinks so highly of you that you don't even dress for preseason games, then you are a "made man" (in mafia terms). [McVay said about 35 guys wouldn't dress for the SD game, so it's not limited to starters].

Still remember how McVay was positively glowing when he talked about Wolford after Arizona, how he said Wolford was the MVP of the game and all that. Also remember how excited McVay was to start Wolford in the playoffs.

Compare McVay's confidence in Wolford to Perkins--a really raw guy who has all of 2 preseason games under his belt, with 3rd stringers. The Rams are SB contenders. Are we really supposed to think McVay would hand over the car keys to a guy that raw? Just makes no sense. Yeah Perkins looked good tonight, but as other posters noted, he made his share of mistakes and poor throws.

I agree with @Merlin that Perkins definitely could develop and challenge Wolford for #2 next year.

But to say McVay is going to cut an established vet backup that he's shown a ton of faith in, for a guy who's so raw and unpolished?

No freaking way McVay is cutting Wolford and going with Perkins as the #2 right now. That notion is deserving of a bong hit.
Some valid points about McV being excited about Wolford(7 months ago) but i never said cut Wolford, someone else did. Lets not pretend like Wolford is some kind of seasoned veteran when you're saying that Perkins is raw and unpolished.

McV loved the mobility and play extension ability that Wolford brought specifically. Well.....we all saw the game tonight.

I believe there's not much of a gap there between #2 and #3 as of right now. Seven months ago? Yes.
I think that's valid.
 

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I understand that Wolford is a fan favorite. That said there are some real differences between Wolford and Perkins. Bryce has upsides that Wolford doesn't and Perkins projects as a potential starter while Wolford projects as a career backup maybe an occasional starter. One of the big differences is that Wolford is a scrambler (4.77), i.e. he runs to extend and as a last resort. Perkins is a runner (4.55), and as such offers a different dimension as an offensive threat. This was highlighted when a designed run was called for Perkins. The average timed speed for a RB is in the 4.5 range (Perkins is faster than Jones). The Rams just have to show that a few times a year to force defenses to account for it. A fast QB adds an additional level of threat in the red zone as well. You would not design a QB run for Wolford.

So to think that Perkins won't if he hasn't already supplanted Wolford as the #2 isn't realistic. The announcers mentioned how when Perkins came in for a pre-signing interview the Rams were not going to let him out of the building without signing. I had heard this last year in the context that the Rams were looking at him as an option to Goff before they went out and traded for Stafford. That is how much both Snead and more importantly McVay look at Perkins. It's also why IMO from that moment on McVay had basically given up on Goff after Perkins was signed in April of 2020. Perkins was his QB while Goff wasn't. McVay created the disaster on the OL in 2019 then blamed Goff, so the handwriting was on the wall before the 2020 season started.

I'm not trying to rehash what happened with Goff only to illustrate the psychological investment that McVay has in Perkins. Bryce is his QB, not someone he inherited or signed off the waiver wire out of need. Sean recruited Bryce heavily to get him signed in April 2020. This is why I say, Bryce will be the #2 QB if he isn't already, and that Bryce probably figures into the Ram's long-term plans whereas Wolford was looked upon as a possible bridge QB when Goff was here but now the Rams have Stafford.

This is why I've always maintained McVay will not be drafting a rookie QB probably for as long as McVay's the HC. With Stafford and Perkins, the Rams are covered at QB for the next 12-15 years.
 

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Kyler Murray wants to be like Perkins?

Kyler already said it this year. He wants to run less and knows he needs to learn how to read defenses and throw from the pocket. That is the major difference between QBs like Mahomes and Lamar Jackson, is that they can function as pocket passers. Murray can't as evidenced this weekend. His injury was a major wake up call. It's why he also speculated about going to MLB which IMO wasn't just idle chit chat.
 

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I don't think Perkins is better than Wolford. I think Wolford is a more polished version of Perkins, similar skills/profile but has a stronger grasp of this system and anticipating what defenses are doing, etc. That mental side is really important to McVay.

But I also think Perkins has more upside than Wolford. Watch some preseason ball of other clubs and there's some bad QBing out there. I honestly don't think Perkins would clear waivers. So I'd keep him and go 3x at QB this year. Then he should be able to go head to head with Wolford next year.
Does Perkins know how to slide when running? Wolford doesn't seem to be able to do that.....
 

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Some valid points about McV being excited about Wolford(7 months ago) but i never said cut Wolford, someone else did. Lets not pretend like Wolford is some kind of seasoned veteran when you're saying that Perkins is raw and unpolished.

McV loved the mobility and play extension ability that Wolford brought specifically. Well.....we all saw the game tonight.

I believe there's not much of a gap there between #2 and #3 as of right now. Seven months ago? Yes.
I think that's valid.
Yeah granted you didn't mention the notion that Wolford might get cut-- someone else did.

But as Merlin points out, familiarity with the system-- and the ability to make good reads-- are crucial for McVay. And Wolford has has 2 full years with McVay, Perkins only one. And I'm sure Wolford got a ton more reps with the starters during practice last year, as compared to Perkins. As you pointed out, Wolford was mentoring Perkins on the sidelines.

IMHO it's not really close-- Wolford is the established #2, and Perkins just made a strong case to beat out Duck as the #3 guy, to develop for next year.

Hey, I was pleased as punch to see Perkins show some real potential. But based on what I know about McVay's appreciation of Wolford, I don't think this one outing is near enough to make McVay consider Perkins as his #2. Just my 2 cents, cheers
 

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I understand that Wolford is a fan favorite. That said there are some real differences between Wolford and Perkins. Bryce has upsides that Wolford doesn't and Perkins projects as a potential starter while Wolford projects as a career backup maybe an occasional starter. One of the big differences is that Wolford is a scrambler (4.77), i.e. he runs to extend and as a last resort. Perkins is a runner (4.55), and as such offers a different dimension as an offensive threat. This was highlighted when a designed run was called for Perkins. The average timed speed for a RB is in the 4.5 range (Perkins is faster than Jones). The Rams just have to show that a few times a year to force defenses to account for it. A fast QB adds an additional level of threat in the red zone as well. You would not design a QB run for Wolford.

So to think that Perkins won't if he hasn't already supplanted Wolford as the #2 isn't realistic. The announcers mentioned how when Perkins came in for a pre-signing interview the Rams were not going to let him out of the building without signing. I had heard this last year in the context that the Rams were looking at him as an option to Goff before they went out and traded for Stafford. That is how much both Snead and more importantly McVay look at Perkins. It's also why IMO from that moment on McVay had basically given up on Goff after Perkins was signed in April of 2020. Perkins was his QB while Goff wasn't. McVay created the disaster on the OL in 2019 then blamed Goff, so the handwriting was on the wall before the 2020 season started.

I'm not trying to rehash what happened with Goff only to illustrate the psychological investment that McVay has in Perkins. Bryce is his QB, not someone he inherited or signed off the waiver wire out of need. Sean recruited Bryce heavily to get him signed in April 2020. This is why I say, Bryce will be the #2 QB if he isn't already, and that Bryce probably figures into the Ram's long-term plans whereas Wolford was looked upon as a possible bridge QB when Goff was here but now the Rams have Stafford.

This is why I've always maintained McVay will not be drafting a rookie QB probably for as long as McVay's the HC. With Stafford and Perkins, the Rams are covered at QB for the next 12-15 years.

I'm just not sold on Perkins' arm accuracy or strength in the medium and long range part of his game, and the Rams receivers are being built around some of those speed features which can get them downfield in a hurry, which is where Stafford and his arm thrives. If it were my decision and I had to make it today, Wolford remains my #1 back-up, and whether Perkins can make the 53 roster really comes down to other potential player cuts, there's a lot of talent on the bubble right now. jmo.
 
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This is why I've always maintained McVay will not be drafting a rookie QB probably for as long as McVay's the HC. With Stafford and Perkins, the Rams are covered at QB for the next 12-15 years.
Any chance of seeing Perkins complete a pass longer than 15 yards before anointing him the heir apparent for the next 12-15 years?
 

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Any chance of seeing Perkins complete a pass longer than 15 yards before anointing him the heir apparent for the next 12-15 years?
Wouldn't take long if he was playing with the 1's.

It's too bad he underthrew the bomb to Tutu though. His decision making is better than his accuracy which is kind of refreshing.
 

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For sure keeping three.
Perkins took a big step this week compared to last.
Wolford is cemented at the number two at this point.
I think it will be interesting if Wolford plays next week or they split time next week.
 

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At the end of the day if Stafford goes down (God Forbid please) we’re pretty much screwed, in that scenario I’d have to roll my dice to which one has more upside, honestly I think it’s Perkins, that being said I don’t see 3 on the active roster