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I do. A developmental option with who we already have; which doesn’t require Irvin period.
Ok what if that developmental guy takes 2 years to develop. What if he never develops to a point he can help the team. Goff will have been paid. If Peters stays he will need to be paid. Talib, Suh, Joyner, Barron, Shields are gone possibly Brockers. This defense will look alot different before that guy develops. We dont know if for the better or worse. The Rams time is now its been said. By the way what developmental option are you talking about that fits Wade's defense?
 

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Freakin amen brother!!! Short sweet and right on!!!!!
 

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Ok what if that developmental guy takes 2 years to develop. What if he never develops to a point he can help the team. Goff will have been paid. If Peters stays he will need to be paid. Talib, Suh, Joyner, Barron, Shields are gone possibly Brockers. This defense will look alot different before that guy develops. We dont know if for the better or worse. The Rams time is now its been said. By the way what developmental option are you talking about that fits Wade's defense?

We got McVay. Now if we still had Fisher then yes a developmental option would of been out the window for sure... Luckily we don’t have to worry about that now. Moving forward.
 

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Not a All Madden, more of we want a super bowl now and upgrading a weakness to get there mindset. Right now Irvin would help this team, hands down he is a better pass rusher then anyone we have on the edge. He only has a year left on his contract after this season. Do you have a better option? I would take any proven vet that can pressure the qb and wont cripple our future cap

I do. A developmental option with who we already have; which doesn’t require Irvin period.

Great we can watch the practic squad develop while some other team hoists a Super Bowl trophy. Even if Obo is great it doesn't hurt to have someone for the other side or even for depth in case mr developmental gets hurt. If we going to spend 280 million in the offseason only to depend on a developmental player to help us win the trophy we would be back to idiocy as an organization. I'm all for developing players but this season gets more and more special with each week that goes by ...are you willing to risk it on developmental or knowing you did all you could to win and at least added depth???
 

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Great we can watch the practic squad develop while some other team hoists a Super Bowl trophy. Even if Obo is great it doesn't hurt to have someone for the other side or even for depth in case mr developmental gets hurt. If we going to spend 280 million in the offseason only to depend on a developmental player to help us win the trophy we would be back to idiocy as an organization. I'm all for developing players but this season gets more and more special with each week that goes by ...are you willing to risk it on developmental or knowing you did all you could to win and at least added depth???

Holy crap dude cherish our accomplishments thus far. We are 6-0. How long have you been a Rams fan? When was the last time you seen a positive outcome like your witnessing now? Chill out.
 

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I agree with you these are all suggestions but if the Rams bring anyone solid at thi point I'd be very happy. You guys all know who I want lol but I put this out cause I do not think Irvin would cost much trade wise.
 

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We got McVay. Now if we still had Fisher then yes a developmental option would of been out the window for sure... Luckily we don’t have to worry about that now. Moving forward.
I didnt know Mcvay developed players on the defense. The fact that Mcvay and company wanted Mack tells you that development guy isn't ready or is not on the roster.
 

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I didnt know Mcvay developed players on the defense. The fact that Mcvay and company wanted Mack tells you that development guy isn't ready or is not on the roster.
You didn’t know McVay orchestrated the move to find a good developmental coach on his side? Ok...

Your views are as one dimensional as Jeff Fishers playbook..
 

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You didn’t know McVay orchestrated the move to find a good developmental coach on his side? Ok...

Your views are as one dimensional as Jeff Fishers playbook..
Mcvay orchestrated hiring Wade Phillips, Wade Phillips turned around and said get me Mack we need him. End of story

The fact you actually cant have a conversation and tell me that developmental guy you believe in or tell me why they were going for Mack doesnt help me understand since im so one dimensional
 

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Holy crap dude cherish our accomplishments thus far. We are 6-0. How long have you been a Rams fan? When was the last time you seen a positive outcome like your witnessing now? Chill out.


Dude I've been a Rams fan since flipper Anderson ran out of giants stadium in overtime for game winning td. I so dislike when people flip a conversation to make it look like the other person needs to chill I have enjoyed and watched every Rams game though the ups and the downs since I was a kid ...I could not be happier a both the record here move back home and the new feel and regime of this team all me and seems like most others are saying is Rams have come a long way we see a weakness and ideally we would love for them to address it. People know football and seems like most agree whether it's on this board or medie etc. you can chill if you would like but when it comes to this team I'm extremely passionate and I just want them to have the best chance possible to win as do we all so we are seeing something at least most of us and we feel it would be in this teams best interest to address it and not In a Khalil Mack way just reinforcements. I appreciate everyone's opinions but daft is fact and after so much pain and suffering you can't just get complacent and rest on 6-0 or 16-0 like I said playoffs matter and teams will expose weaknesses. Don't know how old you are but I believe it was 1995 not sure but I think it was first year Rams moved to St. Louis they started out 5-0 and then just crumbled in the worst way. Obviously I know that's a different team this team does have extreme talent but as a fan you know when your team is lacking that something. That's all trust me I'm ecstatic that they 6-0 but I'd rather they go 9-7 and win a Super Bowl than go 15-1 and go golfing.
 

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Mcvay orchestrated hiring Wade Phillips, Wade Phillips turned around and said get me Mack we need him. End of story

The fact you actually cant have a conversation and tell me that developmental guy you believe in or tell me why they were going for Mack doesnt help me understand since im so one dimensional

It was a pipe dream, and anyone (obviously you) would be a fool to believe that would of “really” happened. Now why should I waste time arguing with things that will never happen in “reality”?
 

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Dude I've been a Rams fan since flipper Anderson ran out of giants stadium in overtime for game winning td. I so dislike when people flip a conversation to make it look like the other person needs to chill I have enjoyed and watched every Rams game though the ups and the downs since I was a kid ...I could not be happier a both the record here move back home and the new feel and regime of this team all me and seems like most others are saying is Rams have come a long way we see a weakness and ideally we would love for them to address it. People know football and seems like most agree whether it's on this board or medie etc. you can chill if you would like but when it comes to this team I'm extremely passionate and I just want them to have the best chance possible to win as do we all so we are seeing something at least most of us and we feel it would be in this teams best interest to address it and not In a Khalil Mack way just reinforcements. I appreciate everyone's opinions but daft is fact and after so much pain and suffering you can't just get complacent and rest on 6-0 or 16-0 like I said playoffs matter and teams will expose weaknesses. Don't know how old you are but I believe it was 1995 not sure but I think it was first year Rams moved to St. Louis they started out 5-0 and then just crumbled in the worst way. Obviously I know that's a different team this team does have extreme talent but as a fan you know when your team is lacking that something. That's all trust me I'm ecstatic that they 6-0 but I'd rather they go 9-7 and win a Super Bowl than go 15-1 and go golfing.

You can’t predict unfortunate outcomes. You can grab all the best vets you want at your expense and it still doesn’t guarantee you a whiff of a superbowl or a victory at that. My biggest gripe is people jumping to this person that person and in reality its impractical and would do us more harm than good. I think we are fine, but we can get better and we will...
 

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It was a pipe dream, and anyone (obviously you) would be a fool to believe that would of “really” happened. Now why should I waste time arguing with things that will never happen in “reality”?
Doesnt change the fact that the Rams org was trying to upgrade the position, the same position you say there is nothing wrong with. Maybe it was never gonna happen but the Rams sure called about him. I dont see them calling about Amari Cooper.
 

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You can’t predict unfortunate outcomes. You can grab all the best vets you want at your expense and it still doesn’t guarantee you a whiff of a superbowl or a victory at that. My biggest gripe is people jumping to this person that person and in reality its impractical and would do us more harm than good. I think we are fine, but we can get better and we will...
You sound like one of those analyst on tv that said Talib, Suh, Peters are gonna hurt the Rams because of there attitude 6 weeks later we are undefeated and haven't heard a word on them being an issue.
 

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It was a pipe dream, and anyone (obviously you) would be a fool to believe that would of “really” happened. Now why should I waste time arguing with things that will never happen in “reality”?


Nah man I'm in agreement with Robert not only was it reported by numerous respectable media outlets/sources but the organization itself admitted to putting there best offer forward but it was declined those are facts. And nobody here has asked for a Mack type player. Look Kupp hurt and we added some dopey receiver familiar with out offense for depth. Unfortunately we don't even have a Kupp equivalent edge rusher to compare two but if we add 5th and 6th recievers to make the offense go why not add a linebacker to at least moderately improve the defense. Basically almost anyone with a decent resume becomes one of our best outside guys . Wades system needs to work too
 

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You sound like one of those analyst on tv that said Talib, Suh, Peters are gonna hurt the Rams because of there attitude 6 weeks later we are undefeated and haven't heard a word on them being an issue.
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I'm not a capologist and I'm not saying strictly Irvin or bust. However nfl on fox claimed Rams restructured contracts and had 8.5 million available in cap space during Vikings game. In addition the season is 6 games in if we were to get him in two weeks we wouldn't be on the hook for full season salary correct? And as far as ability many factors go into Irvin or any other "solid" edge rusher the Rams would acquire ....one he probably better and obviously more experienced then what we got and most importantly our d-line would make an average edge rusher better instantly...can't block them all....as far as Irvin he is still effective and has no help so yes I'd be willing to do whatever it takes to address a weakness. If you had someone better in mind I'd be happy to hear it I just want to win and field best team possible. I'm thinking if the Rams got Mack there wouldn't f been to many complaints rt??

There are a few people here who play with the cap numbers understand how it works and can answer questions on it. All you gotta do is ask. As for the TV guys saying we cleared that much cap space I couldn't speak to what they were talking about I was outside an ICU visiting somebody that night so I didn't hear it. I don't know what they were referring to or when those moves happened. It could have been anything and it could have been stuff they did a couple weeks before I just don't know but looking at a quick google search, which is always your friend, the last restructures I can find were Whitworth and Woods prior to the season starting which likely was used to pay AD $8 million of his signing bonus which is allocated to this years salary cap.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/los-angeles-rams/aaron-donald-14422/

That site by the way is a great resource. While there who would we cut to be able to afford Irvin? The rest of the season his base pay is about $5 million so we need to cut somebody and then also replace them. Gotta factor in dead money.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/los-angeles-rams/cap/

Just a quick question, I think I know the answer. Do you think people who don't want us to add an edge rusher don't also want the Rams to win? Any addition this point in the season isn't a guarantee to upgrade the defense regardless of their current production or past production either. How long is it going to take him to learn the defense and fit in with those around him? Maybe as long as it takes Obo? Just a though, just cause you add a new toy doesn't mean you're a better team defense.

And seriously asking if there would be complaints if we added Mack is an honest question? You think there would be complaints if we added a DPOY to our team? Come on man! But lets play a game. Mack's cap hit this year is $13.8 million we have $4.2 million so that means we have to clear up $10 million roughly in cap space, gotta keep some room for injury signings ala Santos. So who we cutting? One player cut well that won't work because no 1 player is going to free up that kind of cap space. So now we're cutting 2 guys to add Mack so looking at the cap figures we're likely going to have to cut 2 or 3 starters. Just playing the game we're talking about cutting two of Talib, Saffold and Whitworth. Or worse just not resigning AD yet or even worse signing him but pushing that $8 million in cap hit this years bonus allocation put on the cap back a year which is going to negatively affect the cap when we have to resign Goff.

As for who I'd want us to add I'm on record saying I don't think there's anybody we could afford that would make a difference or would be worth the draft picks to acquire them. Start with this list.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/valuation/outside-linebacker/

Browse through that list. But take off players on teams that are competing for a playoff spot which is most of the list. Likely take off division opponents and likely other NFC teams they won't want to deal with us. Take off teams with a QB on their rookie deal, that's the win now while the big money players are cheap mentality. Now you're stuck with what maybe Shaquil Barrett? Connor Barwin who we didn't resign even after we saw how much Wade likes the guy. In short there isn't much out there that is realistic that we could add. Barrett would be an interesting addition, he's young and on a relatively cheap 1 year deal and he did have 5.5 sacks coming off the bench with limited starts for Wade in Denver in 2015. Reddick would be interesting, he's on his rookie deal and not a fit in Arizona but would they trade with their division leaders? Not likely IMO.

Yes I and others would like to add somebody to the edge but I'm not sure it's as important to Wade as it seems to be to some fans. They added guys in the off season through the draft and brought back the guys he wanted. They built the defense and had the chance to do what fans wanted. They chose their route. I've said it probably a million times by now but trust in Wade.
 

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You can’t predict unfortunate outcomes. You can grab all the best vets you want at your expense and it still doesn’t guarantee you a whiff of a superbowl or a victory at that. My biggest gripe is people jumping to this person that person and in reality its impractical and would do us more harm than good. I think we are fine, but we can get better and we will...

Nobody is saying it guarantees anything your just grasping at straws at this point what I'm saying and seems like most people are saying is you just want to give yourself the best chance possible especially when your in the midst of what could be a very special season. I'm thinking ebukam and the oft injured longacre aren't enough even if Obo comes in and is very good Obo one one side if he is any good and Irvin or Murphy or Ray and the latte two are relatively young give you a more complete team and if Obo should blow then you at least have the depth to not worry about one side and then continue to rotate cement shoes and longacre.
 

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Nah man I'm in agreement with Robert not only was it reported by numerous respectable media outlets/sources but the organization itself admitted to putting there best offer forward but it was declined those are facts. And nobody here has asked for a Mack type player. Look Kupp hurt and we added some dopey receiver familiar with out offense for depth. Unfortunately we don't even have a Kupp equivalent edge rusher to compare two but if we add 5th and 6th recievers to make the offense go why not add a linebacker to at least moderately improve the defense. Basically almost anyone with a decent resume becomes one of our best outside guys . Wades system needs to work too

You must realize also and most importantly...Think about it. Edge rushers are pointless when you have refs that are blind not calling the most obvious holding calls. I figured I’d save the obvious for last. Our defense would be great if we got them damn calls. 75% of the snaps Donald, Suh are being strangled by the opposing OL. Our D looks bad probably because of that false screen the refs are giving it.
 
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