Browns sign RG3

[Tron]

-Rapoport reports Griffin's deal is for two years and is worth a total of $15 million with $6.75 million guaranteed. Rapoport adds that RGII is set to make $7.5 million in 2016 with $3.5 million coming in the form of a signing bonus.

 

[baconandbread]

I don't think these are the same old Browns and they still go QB at pick 2. Jackson seems like the kind of coach that will want to stock pile quarterbacks.

 

[Akrasian]

Yup. RG3 seems to have been signed as a transition QB. He's not being paid that much, and the guarantees are low enough to easily allow him to be cut after this season. And if he's good but the kid is better, he can be traded for a bit of value.

 

[LACHAMP46]

yep...
I'm thinking, Hue Jackson wants Wentz or Goff to sit behind RGIII for awhile...which means Wentz is gone if we don't trade to #1....or could still get Goff at #4....

Almost guarantees Snisher won't do anything.....

 

[OldSchool]

So the Rams need to trade up in front of San Fran to get Goff. Because this guarantees Wentz at #2

There are very few guarantees in the NFL draft and I don't think this is one.

 

[dieterbrock]

There are very few guarantees in the NFL draft and I don't think this is one.

Only hope is the point that @Mackeyser illustrates in that we are talking about Cleveland....
RGIII checks all the boxes that allow Cleveland to take Wentz

 

[jrry32]

Looks like RGIII is smarter than Kaepernick. Hue Jackson is a brilliant coach and he's very good at getting the most out of his QBs. Especially a QB with RGIII's skill-set. I'm sure not many people remember but Hue Jackson managed to make another Redskins first round bust QB look pretty good in Oakland. The Raiders went 11-7 with Jason Campbell at QB during Hue's two years there (1 as OC and 1 as HC). Campbell looked like a completely different QB.

Hue's Air Coryell variant is a great fit for RGIII's skill-set. Don't be a bit surprised if RGIII does a lot better than expected in Cleveland. Especially if he's learned something from his time in Washington.

 

[OldSchool]

Only hope is the point that @Mackeyser illustrates in that we are talking about Cleveland....
RGIII checks all the boxes that allow Cleveland to take Wentz

So they upgrade McCown to RG3 and that means they're more likely to take a qb. I don't buy it this team is so void of talent I think they're more likely to trade back than take a qb.

 

[dieterbrock]

So they upgrade McCown to RG3 and that means they're more likely to take a qb. I don't buy it this team is so void of talent I think they're more likely to trade back than take a qb.

No, by not trading for Kaepernick and his contract, and signing RGIII to a cheapy deal does make them more likely. McCown is a non factor

 

[OldSchool]

No, by not trading for Kaepernick and his contract, and signing RGIII to a cheapy deal does make them more likely. McCown is a non factor

Kaepernicks deal I thought was easier and cheaper to get out of than what they just signed RG3 for.

 

[Ram Man]

As far is how we look at this affecting the Rams chance to draft a top QB, we need to know RGIII's contract specifics. The article linked above mentions a report that:

"Griffin's deal is for two years and is worth a total of $15 million with $6.75 million guaranteed. Rapoport adds that RGII is set to make $7.5 million in 2016 with $3.5 million coming in the form of a signing bonus."

If true, that's back up money these days. That would mean the Browns are going to be drafting a QB in the 1st round this year.

UPDATE:
Per USA Today:
"
Robert Griffin III is guaranteed $6.75 million and can make up to $11 million with incentives in 2016 as part of the two-year, $15 million deal he signed Thursday with the Cleveland Browns.

According to contract details obtained by USA TODAY Sports, Griffin received a $3.5 signing bonus and a fully guaranteed base salary of $3.25 million this season. He can make another $750,000 in per-game roster bonuses and $3.5 million in individual performance incentives for playtime, passing yards and passer rating.

Griffin’s deal maxes out at $22 million over two years. That’s at the low end for a starter or the high end for a backup -- similar in value and structure to Chase Daniel’s deal with the Philadelphia Eagles, who gave Daniel a three-year, $21 million contract that can be worth up to $36 million with incentives and escalators.

The Browns will have a decision to make next March, when Griffin is due a $750,000 roster bonus on the third day of the 2017 league year. That and the rest of the deal is non-guaranteed: a $6 million base salary, plus another $750,000 in per-game active bonuses and $3.5 million in incentives."

 

[DaveFan'51]

then the highest we need to trade up is to 4th.....I'm starting to really like Wentz

there are two big If's here;

* IF the Brown's don't still go after a QB! ( I think they still go QB!)
And
* IF the Cowboys will trade out of #4! ( IF Wentz is their, they will grab him!)
This is all JMHO!!

 

[Ram Man]

For all those who are hot to trade up to grab a QB there's something important to remember. Your odds of drafting a guy in the first round who turns out to be a "franchise" quarterback is only about 50/50.

Even QB's picked very high in the first round are still risky. Here are just a few examples of guys who didn't work out including their draft postion in the 1st round:

Mark Sanchez 5
JaMarcus Russell 1
Vince Young 3
David Carr 1
Joey Harrington 3
Tim Couch 1
Akili Smith 3
Ryan Leaf 2
Heath Shuler 3
Rick Mirer 2

Giving up too many draft picks to trade up is risky. In the past there was the same high hopes for the guys on this list that there is now for Goff and Wentz.

 

[OldSchool]

For all those who are hot to trade up to grab a QB there's something important to remember. Your odds of drafting a guy in the first round who turns out to be a "franchise" quarterback is only about 50/50.

Even QB's picked very high in the first round are still risky. Here are just a few examples of guys who didn't work out including their draft postion in the 1st round:

Mark Sanchez 5
JaMarcus Russell 1
Vince Young 3
David Carr 1
Joey Harrington 3
Tim Couch 1
Akili Smith 3
Ryan Leaf 2
Heath Shuler 3
Rick Mirer 2

Giving up too many draft picks to trade up is risky. In the past there was the same high hopes for the guys on this list that there is now for Goff and Wentz.

Two follow up questions:

What are the odds of getting a franchise QB in later rounds?

What are the odds of getting a franchise QB if we don't draft any QBs.

Actually those are really both rhetorical questions as the answers are obvious. But I do have another question, how many of those QBs you used as evidence were actually drafted after a team traded up to take them. Just a hint but I'm pretty sure the answer is zero.

Arguing against using a draft pick to take a position because of past failures is pretty pointless. There are draft hits and misses at each position and in each round in draft history. Don't worry about them analyze the players and the team needs.

 

[Dodgersrf]

For all those who are hot to trade up to grab a QB there's something important to remember. Your odds of drafting a guy in the first round who turns out to be a "franchise" quarterback is only about 50/50.

Even QB's picked very high in the first round are still risky. Here are just a few examples of guys who didn't work out including their draft postion in the 1st round:

Mark Sanchez 5
JaMarcus Russell 1
Vince Young 3
David Carr 1
Joey Harrington 3
Tim Couch 1
Akili Smith 3
Ryan Leaf 2
Heath Shuler 3
Rick Mirer 2

Giving up too many draft picks to trade up is risky. In the past there was the same high hopes for the guys on this list that there is now for Goff and Wentz.

I understand your point, but we also mustn't discount guys like
A. Rodgers
P. Manning
E. Manning
C. Palmer
A. Smith
J. Flacco
B. Roethlisberger
P. Rivers
C. Newton
M. Ryan

All guys that we could win with.

 

[Ram65]

Nothing changes from my vantage point. Rams got to be like the Jefferson's and start "Movin' On Up!"!!!!!!!!

 

[Ram Man]

Arguing against using a draft pick to take a position because of past failures is pretty pointless. There are draft hits and misses at each position and in each round in draft history. Don't worry about them analyze the players and the team needs.

To some degree draft picks are like lottery tickets. The higher the pick the higher the likelihood of a pay off. However, the Rams are only slightly less likely to get a good QB at pick 15 than they are at pick 2 or 5. In order to trade into such a high pick the Rams will need to give up multiple valuable picks. I'm fine with drafting a QB with the 15th pick if there is value there. From past deals and from what I'm hearing other teams would want in return, it will be better to hang on to our picks and not trade up.

 

[Mackeyser]

For all those who are hot to trade up to grab a QB there's something important to remember. Your odds of drafting a guy in the first round who turns out to be a "franchise" quarterback is only about 50/50.

Even QB's picked very high in the first round are still risky. Here are just a few examples of guys who didn't work out including their draft postion in the 1st round:

Mark Sanchez 5
JaMarcus Russell 1
Vince Young 3
David Carr 1
Joey Harrington 3
Tim Couch 1
Akili Smith 3
Ryan Leaf 2
Heath Shuler 3
Rick Mirer 2

Giving up too many draft picks to trade up is risky. In the past there was the same high hopes for the guys on this list that there is now for Goff and Wentz.

But we're talking about a class valedictorian with a 4.0 gpa who not only has run a pro-style offense, but has also been responsible for OL line calls when he changes plays. No other QB I've ever heard of has done that. That's crazy!

While I might stipulate that he isn't a sure thing, I can't put him in the same pile as JaMarcus Russell, Vince Young, Akili Smith, Ryan Leaf and Rick Mirer... C'mon. We're talking apples and carburetors here.

 

[Ram Man]

I understand your point, but we also mustn't discount guys like
A. Rodgers
P. Manning
E. Manning
C. Palmer
A. Smith
J. Flacco
B. Roethlisberger
P. Rivers
C. Newton
M. Ryan

All guys that we could win with.

Right. As long as you accept that you have as good a chance at ending up with a bust like Jake Locker as you do of ending up with a home run like Alex Smith.

 

[bwdenverram]

I wish we would make a run at Fitzpatrick but I doubt we will. He would be a good veteran for Mannion or whichever rookie we draft this year to learn from.
That being said, I sure hope Goff or Wentz falls to 4 or farther. I don't see us trading away the farm to go to #1 or #2 but stranger things have happened.
Worst case if Keenum is the starter we need to go heavy on offense in the draft. TE, WR, whatever it takes to not have 8 man boxes on Gurley.