Brian Thomas on the board at 19 and Bills calling

[Ramhusker]

gotcha. I know hardly anything about Fiske. Seems more 4-3 end/dt? Can we use him?

In this day and age though, I think you just take the guys and figure out how to use them ala Donald in your system.

I'd draft Fiske on "gristle" factor alone.

 

[Allen2McVay]

gotcha. I know hardly anything about Fiske. Seems more 4-3 end/dt? Can we use him?

Was dominant at the Senior Bowl practices, Senior Bowl game and Combine; and has seen his stock rise significantly. Fiske is unlikely to fall out of the top-40, and could easily be a first round pick in my opinion ... and I know Very Little.

 

[OldSchool]

I think guys with high measurables and low production are usually boom-or-bust types. I would stay away from Chop Robinson. At #19 anyway.

He's only behind Latu in this classes pass rush win rate and ahead of him slightly in pff grade. Not sure where this lack of production myth comes from.


View: https://twitter.com/fball_insights/status/1775676697620181449?t=UdT1v8O7Aop7KS_gONRFog&s=19

 

[RamDino]

He's only behind Latu in this classes pass rush win rate and ahead of him slightly in pff grade. Not sure where this lack of production myth comes from.


View: https://twitter.com/fball_insights/status/1775676697620181449?t=UdT1v8O7Aop7KS_gONRFog&s=19

That chart is very interesting. I was simply going off his stats and comments by others on this board. One member called his production "anemic".

 

[snackdaddy]

Chop Robinson is intriguing with that explosive move. But too risky for my taste. You finally have a first round pick. You don't want to blow it on a project. One thing fast and quick college players learn in the NFL, everyone is fast and quick. Some never adjust. I think someone like Murphy is the safer choice. And now a real need for the team.

 

[OldSchool]

That chart is very interesting. I was simply going off his stats and comments by others on this board. One member called his production "anemic".

People have likes and dislikes that don't always jive with reality myself included. We also have these thoughts on what round a player will be drafted in that are rarely accurate and those thoughts will could our opinions of some picks. This is called silly season for a reason and there might not be a more fitting name anywhere.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Interesting. I've paid more attention to the pre-draft process than in years past because we have more draft capital this year. From what I've seen of the prospects it looks to me like there's a lot of guys that would normally go in the first who will go in the second and second to the third, etc. It might drop off after that, I'm not sure.

If dropping from 19 to 28 is the difference between Jared Verse and Chop Robinson but then we get to pick up an additional WR prospect like Malachi Corley in the 3rd I would do it.

It’s not a deep draft. After round 2-3 it’s very weak. Sure trading back a little is okay but trading back for the usual 4th-5th-6th round picks is less likely to be worth it this year. Last year was a very deep draft.

 

[OldSchool]

Chop Robinson is intriguing with that explosive move. But too risky for my taste. You finally have a first round pick. You don't want to blow it on a project. One thing fast and quick college players learn in the NFL, everyone is fast and quick. Some never adjust. I think someone like Murphy is the safer choice. And now a real need for the team.

Murphy is just as likely to find out in the NFL that he's not faster and stronger than everyone he's going against. Funny how this works on pretty much every prospect.

 

[TheTackle]

He's only behind Latu in this classes pass rush win rate and ahead of him slightly in pff grade. Not sure where this lack of production myth comes from.


View: https://twitter.com/fball_insights/status/1775676697620181449?t=UdT1v8O7Aop7KS_gONRFog&s=19

I keep pointing out we might move down and target Trice

 

[OldSchool]

I keep pointing out we might move down and target Trice

Anything is possible

 

[Flatlyner]

I think guys with high measurables and low production are usually boom-or-bust types. I would stay away from Chop Robinson. At #19 anyway.

Its tough not to helmet scout with this guy and Odafe Oweh. Both physical freaks who didn't have the most production in college. Oweh is 3 years in now and averaging just under 5 sacks a season. They certainly aren't the same person, but a good example of what Chop may end up doing. Based on the stats (in college), Oweh was a much better run defender then Chop, but Chop has more success in pass rush. I'd be fine with Chop at the end of the 1st, top of 2nd, but, I worry he is so very similar to Young and we might want a edge that handles the run better then either of them.

 

[WestCoastRam]

It’s not a deep draft. After round 2-3 it’s very weak. Sure trading back a little is okay but trading back for the usual 4th-5th-6th round picks is less likely to be worth it this year. Last year was a very deep draft.

Yeah, I think we've talked a lot about this but rounds 5-7 seem to have been hollowed out some by NIL (a trend that will most likely continue. The draft is top heavy at some areas and deep in others (OT and WR respectively). And it stinks at edge, ILB and safety. At RB there's a smattering of guys who are all worth likely 3rd round picks but not much before or after.

It's not an ideal draft for us with needs on the Dline but that doesn't mean we can't skillfully manipulate it given other teams going after value elsewhere.

I expect us to have a draft that is a little all over the place with some picks about value over immediate need and some picks about immediate need leaving us with 1-3 holes that will need to be filled in FA after but some strong prospects whose value will be maximized in a year or two (WR, OT, CB).

 

[PhillyRam]

If the Bills want to move up, for us to risk losing out on Verse, Latu, and Newton, they better be giving us a first next year as well as theirs this year.

I have seen trade proposals in those simulators where they give us 28, 60 and a 3rd next yr.... for 19 and a late pick this yr. I would take that. Would give you three 3rds next yr and next yr might be the yr to trade up for a future QB. Or it gives you ammo for the trade deadline this yr where we might find our edge.

 

[dieterbrock]

He's only behind Latu in this classes pass rush win rate and ahead of him slightly in pff grade. Not sure where this lack of production myth comes from.

Not a myth at all, for a pass rush specialist I'd expect to see more than 15 total tackles, 4 sacks and 7.5 TFL for his entire 2023 season.
Considering 2 of the TFL/ Sacks were against 1-aa Umass, he realistically had 2 sacks
I watched a bunch on Nittany Lions football and cant remember a single play of his. Was completely invisible against Michigan and Ohio St.
I get it that we are in the age of analytics and all that, but for sure analytics are not production. And for sure, saying he doesnt have production to show for his status is hardly a myth

 

[dang]

That chart is very interesting. I was simply going off his stats and comments by others on this board. One member called his production "anemic".

I inquired what anyone knew about Robinson beyond the following “anemic” 2023 stats:
Total Tackles - 15
Tackles for Loss - 7.5
Sacks - 4
QBH - 5
I know these stats aren’t the total picture so I was inquiring to what I am surely missing.

 

[dieterbrock]

I inquired what anyone knew about Robinson beyond the following “anemic” 2023 stats:
Total Tackles - 15
Tackles for Loss - 7.5
Sacks - 4
QBH - 5
I know these stats aren’t the total picture so I was inquiring to what I am surely missing.

2 sacks against a 1-7 Umass team really pads that stat line
He's got a cool nickname, I'll give him that

 

[DzRams]

Due to QB/OT needs some teams that draft before us will take a non-blue chip Player.
One teams “blue chip” is another teams “cow chip” but you have to believe there will be 3-4 ‘blue chips’ available at R1.19 if there are 18 total ‘blue chips’ available.

Yes, they may have 3-4 blue chippers remaining but that possibility is offset by the fact that they may not be at the position the Rams are targeting, may not be a scheme fit, or may lack some intangibles that McSnead prioritize. Even though there are fans advocating pretty much every player, the team has more stringent criteria than we know.

#19 is still at the tail end which isn't the best place to be.

 

[OldSchool]

Not a myth at all, for a pass rush specialist I'd expect to see more than 15 total tackles, 4 sacks and 7.5 TFL for his entire 2023 season.
Considering 2 of the TFL/ Sacks were against 1-aa Umass, he realistically had 2 sacks
I watched a bunch on Nittany Lions football and cant remember a single play of his. Was completely invisible against Michigan and Ohio St.
I get it that we are in the age of analytics and all that, but for sure analytics are not production. And for sure, saying he doesnt have production to show for his status is hardly a myth

Got it he sucks. Funny how pff is so great unless ROD disagrees with it.

 

[dieterbrock]

Got it he sucks. Funny how pff is so great unless ROD disagrees with it.

Why are your panties in a bunch?
Questioning his production is fair, not a myth
Oh and nice strawman, I never said he sucks

 

[TheTackle]

Murphy is just as likely to find out in the NFL that he's not faster and stronger than everyone he's going against. Funny how this works on pretty much every prospect.

I couldn’t agree more. I do wonder why there is so much talk of blue chip players in a draft that while deep doesn’t have that many at the top who will hit the ground dominating from day one