Boras: Goff IS ready

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I realize he started for the Texans but they were no where near a top offense when he took over. Fact is neither you nor I know for sure if he would be a good QB if he a good offense to surround him with. It's all hearsay.

It's speculation, not hearsay. And I feel very confident that he wouldn't be. Using this line of thinking, one could argue that you don't know for sure if Ryan would be a good QB if he was surrounded by a good offense. You're basically saying that we can't come to a conclusion unless it happens. I don't see any good offensive team settling for Keenum at QB. JMO.
 

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It's like fly fishing. Fisher loves fly fishing. You have to choose the right fly at the right time and then present it flawlessly on the water, so you don't scare the fish. In this scenario the fish are wins. Fisher prefers to catch the run of the mill trout with his tried and true, old standby fly (Keenum). He keeps looking in his box at the Super fly (Goff) and thinks that if he ties that one on he is going to catch the big fish (the playoffs), but he would have to make a perfect cast, and he doesn't have the confidence to pull it off. He has good gear ( coaches) but not the best tippet (OC), and he is afraid that even if he makes a perfect cast that the big fish will grab that Super fly (Goff) and the tippet (offensive coaching) will break and his precious fly will be lost forever. So, he just leaves it in the box and admires it because he knows that he could never tie another one like it, and keeps fishing with his old standby (Keenum) that he knows works pretty well, and it is easy to tie more of, but it won't catch the big fish (playoffs). He is happy just bringing home his 7 fish limit.

What are you trying to say?
 

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If we lose this week = 99% chance Goff starts.

If we win this week = 100% chance we have another Goff vs Keenum thread.
 

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It's speculation, not hearsay. And I feel very confident that he wouldn't be. Using this line of thinking, one could argue that you don't know for sure if Ryan would be a good QB if he was surrounded by a good offense. You're basically saying that we can't come to a conclusion unless it happens. I don't see any good offensive team settling for Keenum at QB. JMO.

both hearsay and speculation are both inadmissible. So on that note, we are now both speculating on what it takes to be a good QB in the league. End point is there are QB's who make the players around them better and there are QB's who do well with good players around him.

Exhibit 1.
Tom Brady Vs. Matt Ryan

Brady would do well on any team makes everyone around him much better than they actually are. Doesn't need Gronk or a No. 1 WR to succeed and win championships. Just needs to cheat a little, lol

Ryan has Julio Jones and a great Oline. A good 2nd WR and a decent running back. I would say he needs a good team around him to succeed. Put him on the Rams, we're still a .500 team.
Put Brady on the Rams....He takes over the offense, fires Fisher himself and is the First HC/ QB superbowl champ in NFL history.

Ok maybe i took that a bit far. But you can see my point
 

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I don't think we'll be able to retain him. he's gonna want a starting job and honestly he deserves it. Yes, he's made mistakes and looked bad at times but he's also looked pretty damn good at times too.
Imagine CK on a team that knows how to work with QB's and a solid offense to fall back on. I'd bet a pretty penny he'd be
I don't think we'll be able to retain him. he's gonna want a starting job and honestly he deserves it. Yes, he's made mistakes and looked bad at times but he's also looked pretty damn good at times too.
Imagine CK on a team that knows how to work with QB's and a solid offense to fall back on. I'd bet a pretty penny he'd be a top 10 QB.[/QUOTE

I thought to be a competent backup was why Mannion was on this team ..
 

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If we lose this week = 99% chance Goff starts.

If we win this week = 100% chance we have another Goff vs Keenum thread.

If they win this week there won't be any need for it... Keenum will still be the guy for Fisher..i think the Goff v. Keenum threads have just about run their course...I'm pretty sure it't all rehashing now...Just have to wait...I think Fisher might be hoping for a bad hangnail for Keenum as an excuse to get God's involved without losing face...OK, I've got all of the WEB controversy out of my system...
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If they win this week there won't be any need for it... Keenum will still be the guy for Fisher..

I might have to roll with that. If a 3 game losing streak, 4 INTs, and a bye week isn't going to convince Fisher, what is?

There will definitely be a Keenum vs Goff thread though unless Goff comes in and wins. Then we may have to wait for a loss to get it started again. ;)
 

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I might have to roll with that. If a 3 game losing streak, 4 INTs, and a bye week isn't going to convince Fisher, what is?

There will definitely be a Keenum vs Goff thread though unless Goff comes in and wins. Then we may have to wait for a loss to get it started again. ;)
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both hearsay and speculation are both inadmissible. So on that note, we are now both speculating on what it takes to be a good QB in the league. End point is there are QB's who make the players around them better and there are QB's who do well with good players around him.

Both hearsay and speculation can be admissible under the right circumstances.

We aren't both speculating on what it takes to be a good QB in the league. We're speculating as to how Keenum would do in a better offense. I can certainly observe what Keenum has done for us and the Texans and rate him as a QB. And he doesn't grade out anywhere near a top 10 QB in my book.

Exhibit 1.
Tom Brady Vs. Matt Ryan

Brady would do well on any team makes everyone around him much better than they actually are. Doesn't need Gronk or a No. 1 WR to succeed and win championships. Just needs to cheat a little, lol

Ryan has Julio Jones and a great Oline. A good 2nd WR and a decent running back. I would say he needs a good team around him to succeed. Put him on the Rams, we're still a .500 team.
Put Brady on the Rams....He takes over the offense, fires Fisher himself and is the First HC/ QB superbowl champ in NFL history.

I disagree. We'd be a playoff team with Matt Ryan. Ryan wouldn't put up the numbers he is in Atlanta, but he'd offer us good play. Like he did over his first 3 years in the NFL before Julio got there.

Ok maybe i took that a bit far. But you can see my point

Sure. I see the point. The thing is that Keenum isn't Brady. We agree on that. He also isn't Matt Ryan. Nor is he even Sam Bradford. Keenum is Austin Davis or Drew Stanton or Shaun Hill. He's not a starting caliber QB. He'll play better if you surround him with talent. It's a team game. But he's still a guy you'll be looking to replace as soon as you can.
 

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Lol it is really annoying trading the farm for the kid and letting him ride the bench even though he's ready.

Why do people keep acting like giving up 3 picks is trading the farm or trading away the future? The Rams gave up 6 picks and got 3 in return, doesnt seem to be anything like trading the farm. Its not like they traded all of their picks for 1 player like Ditka did for Ricky williams, its not near the amout of picks Washington gave up for RGme. I get that the Rams gave up more picks than they got back, but you have to give up something to jump up 14 slots to #1. The Rams technically gave up 4 picks for the rights to Goff, didnt Washington give up 3 1s and 3 2s just for RGme, that is trading the farm. And remember the Rams drafted Goff for the future, not for a 1 year wonder like Washington got in RGme. I would like to see Goff starting, but I also understand good things are worth waiting for.

After Goff wins a championship or 2 with the Rams everyone will be talking about what a steal he was.
 

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This is all kinda nutty. The only way we'll know Goff is ready is when they put him on the field.

People can put on Fisher rightly or wrongly...but they don't know for sure.

How many coaches have we seen have their rookie holding the clipboard and then he gets a chance to play...and after that the kids a starter?

What was Brady doing before he got his shot?
 

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I realize he started for the Texans but they were no where near a top offense when he took over. Fact is neither you nor I know for sure if he would be a good QB if he a good offense to surround him with. It's all hearsay.
Not really
He has the 2nd most INT, and amongst the lowest passer rating.
Because he's just not very good.
Every team passed on him in the draft despite setting every passing record.
Even the Rams traded up to get their new QB
Is he scrappy? Sure. Good guy to have around? Looks like. A top 10 passer? That's just silly
 

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Why do people keep acting like giving up 3 picks is trading the farm or trading away the future? The Rams gave up 6 picks and got 3 in return, doesnt seem to be anything like trading the farm. Its not like they traded all of their picks for 1 player like Ditka did for Ricky williams, its not near the amout of picks Washington gave up for RGme. I get that the Rams gave up more picks than they got back, but you have to give up something to jump up 14 slots to #1. The Rams technically gave up 4 picks for the rights to Goff, didnt Washington give up 3 1s and 3 2s just for RGme, that is trading the farm. And remember the Rams drafted Goff for the future, not for a 1 year wonder like Washington got in RGme. I would like to see Goff starting, but I also understand good things are worth waiting for.

After Goff wins a championship or 2 with the Rams everyone will be talking about what a steal he was.


A very sensible post. The thing about the picks given up is over played so often on Ram sites. Snead/Fisher played it well. After having 17 picks in the first 3 rounds, including 11 in the first 2 rounds with 6 first round picks from 2012-2015, it was a move they could afford to make. And they still didn't get raped. Patience is not a common virtue among sports fans.....unless you're a Cub fan.
 

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The whole begging for Goff reeks of desperation. I think Goff beggars are being a little manic and impulse. I'll only rally behind the Goff bandwagon if Gurley starts tearing it up, yet doesn't result in Ws due to Keenum making inexcusable mistakes. To be a hypocrite for a second it is frustrating that Keenum's biggest mistakes are mental - he's supposed to be in there for his smarts and reduce turnovers. Physically, I think Keenam has surpassed expectations. We don't beat AZ without him and wouldn't have won with Goff imo.Case misses guys just as much as the rest of the QBs in the league. He still hasn't performed better than a top 15 NFL starter, but has made lots of throws that I didn't expect to see entering the season. Throws that the worst starting QBs in the league don't make.

Part of me is worried the rest of the offense not being ready to embrace Goff as their leader. I'd hate for him to struggle early and have the rest of the O lose confidence due to Goff holding them back.

I would like to avoid Goff playing with Britt considering there's a chance we lose him and based on Britt's history of lack of cohesion - something he seems to have with Case. I'd rather Goff's first game being filled with guys who are going to be around for awhile like Gurley, Tavon, Quick(I think he re-signs), Cooper and Higbee.

If we lose Sunday i'll concede and admit MAYBE it's time for Goff, mostly because of the upcoming schedule
NYJ - like idea of first start being on the road vs a struggling/banged up squad and it's vs AFC
MIA - Good time for home debut, another AFC team with turnover issues and a poor pass defense
NO - Chance of having his signature rookie W vs maybe worst pass defense in NFC, giving us momentum going into New England that hopefully carries throughout ATL and the 3 NFCW games to end the season...If we're sitting at 4-7 it will suck but might be best case scenario for Goff's development

I'm not dismissing AFC teams because I don't care the records, NYJ and MIA are 50/50 games, not matter whose behind center because we all know Fisher's history with out of conference opponents, but losses vs AFC opponents are not as detrimental towards getting a playoff bid.

Goff, regardless if plays well, scares me with those NFCW games(we can't expect our defenses to shut them down quite like last time and no rookie is going to go into SEA and out perform Baby Jesus Wilson)
If playoffs are still on table and things don't go our way- I guess at least he gains big game experience that carries over into his career. We're not ready to win a SB, but a play off birth this year would be huge because i can't see us winning one without having any post season experience...delaying the dream....

Ideally I hope the only game he plays in is week 17 vs Niners, he lights it up with a TD to Tavon and Cooper. Rams win big, ending year on happy note with revenge on SF.
A small yet strong sample size softens the weight of going into off season thinking we just maybe drafted a complete bust. Not that a single W vs a poor team would completely convert the skeptics....but if he does play more than 5 games and plays poorly, the media will do nothing but add gas to the fire. Like it or not, the LA media is powerful enough to screw with this team's future.
 

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The whole begging for Goff reeks of desperation.

Desperation? I don't agree. I think it reeks of impatience. I don't see how he won't be playing at some point this season but it's anybody's guess when that will be. Like many have said, if Fisher won't pull Keenum because his mistakes come in crunch time AND we're in the midst of a losing streak, Goff may not play unless CK is injured. It really makes one wonder if Fisher has been given the impression he's got to win if he expects to be back next year. But like the "desperation" crowd as you call them, I want to see what the kid can do. If not for any other reason than to see a tight spiral heading towards our receivers.
 

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I totally hear you and there's nothing outside of real life issues I want more than to see Rams win again. I didn't mean to insult anyone who thinks playing Goff is the most importiant change we can make. I'm just nervous.

I just deleted a lame, lengthy explanation as to why Goff should stay seated and now...

I have myself convinced Goff is our guy and I'm glad he hasn't played yet. Case was our best option up until now - feel like Goff from week one would have led to 5 or 6 losses. Sitting at 3-4 is about who we are and still in the mix of a division title.

I'm sick of watching teams in the NFL throwing deep and picking up yards and first downs on PI. Throwing down the sidelines to a single covered Quick or Britt is asking for opposing DBs to resort to committing a penalty.

I'm just not going to let myself get frustrated if Case keeps playing mediocre ball and block out how much fun it would be to see Goff come in and excel

If Gurley is going to play like a top 5 RB we need to show teams we can pass and convert on first and ten just as efficiently as any other team in the league.

I just refuse to justify playing Goff because of how rookie QBs around the league have played. It's been 8 weeks and the rookie QBs are degressing. Mental and physical fatigue is creeping up. It takes a special talent to lead a team to a winning record in a full 16 game schedule and I don't think any rookie QBs around the league are going to do that. Eagles are in for a disappointing 2nd half. Prescott is holding back the Cowboys from being a legit contender and if they were smart they would play Romo when he's ready.

To be honest I hope Case has to leave the game with a minor injury, enter Goff and it's all gas no brakes for the rest of the season - embracing the inevitable struggles along the way knowing that when AZ and SF come into town to end the season we win convincingly in games that ultimately lead us to a NFC West title...with a 9-7 record:whistle: