Bonds to get a statue at Oracle

[RamFan503]

Not sure why any of this matters to this board but whatevs.

 

[Tano]

Full disclosure Barry and I went to school together. I played ball with his little brother and Barry was always kind to me. We knew his family growing up. The son of a major league. Ball player is always difficult. He didn’t know he handled it well but very is a sincere person And a very giving person. maybe strongly opinionated ones on this board have no idea about.

Albert Pulhols couldn’t hold Bonds jock. From age 15 on Bonds was the greatest athlete I ever saw. Football basketball and baseball. His dad made him drop one sport senior year so he dropped Football. But I believe he could have gone pro as a receiver. He was a natural.

And say what you will, but he respects the game and he respects others.

Maybe some guys in glass houses shouldn’t come so strong with their judgements.

It's called public perception.

Bonds may have been a great guy outside baseball but he carried himself off as a dick in the public's eye.

Kershaw Freeman Betts Pujols all carry themselves as really good guys in the publics eye but for all I know they are dicks outside baseball

I really like how Payton Manning carry's himself in the publics eye.

Tom Brady, on the other hand, was a whiny bitch who always complained to the refs whenever he got hit. I was so glad he got penalized for complaining to the ref when his lip was bleeding. He finally got his comeuppance.

From what I hear, he might be a good guy outside football. But I will always hate his whiny bitchiness.

Plus he wears Uggs.

 

[fearsomefour]

He was also an arrogant fuckstick who couldn’t deal with not having attention. He didn’t need to do the cream and the clear to be a HOFer. Griffey Jr. was clean and beloved. Albert Pujols was clean and beloved, even though he was never a media guy, much like Bonds.

Bonds was an arrogant, greedy attention whore.

Clean?
In that era?
Maybe....possible but not likely.
A lot of steroid use in baseball was not to get big like Bonds and McGuire, but, for a lot of guys it would be for recovery.
You'd also have to mess up pretty badly to get caught.
A lot of guys were using in that era.

 

[PARAM]

As a Yankee fan, I couldn't stand Clemens or A Rod and was totally disappointed in Pettitte. The difference between the 3 in my minds eye was Pettitte came clean and those other two will deny it till the day they die. Why? Because they know it would taint their accomplishments. THEY KNOW.

Like Dieter says, before using, Bonds was the best player in the game. I'd say at least one of the best.

86-98 (Age 21-33) Runs 1364; Hits 1917; Doubles 403; Triples 63; HR 411; RBI 1216; SB 445; BB 1357; Avg .290; OB% .411; SLG .556; OPS .966

99-07 (Age 34-42) Runs 863; Hits 1018; Doubles 198; Triples 14; HR 351; RBI 780; SB 69; BB 1201; Avg .316; OB% .505; SLG .712; OPS 1.217

He found the fountain of youth but previous to that he was damn good. He averaged 32 homers a season, 94 RBI and hit .290. That's HOF material there. Barry's 3 best WAR seasons came at age 36, 37 and 39. Come on!! His godfather, Willie Mays, was the best ballplayer I ever saw. His best WAR seasons came at age 23, 27, 31, 32, 33 and 34. You don't have seasons like Bonds did at that age. It's just not natural. And clearly, it wasn't. You can't strike the 34 - 42 age years from Bonds' career and put him in the HOF. So they don't put him in at all.

 

[PARAM]

86-98 (Age 21-33) Runs 1364; Hits 1917; Doubles 403; Triples 63; HR 411; RBI 1216; SB 445; BB 1357; Avg .290; OB% .411; SLG .556; OPS .966

99-07 (Age 34-42) Runs 863; Hits 1018; Doubles 198; Triples 14; HR 351; RBI 780; SB 69; BB 1201; Avg .316; OB% .505; SLG .712; OPS 1.217

Season averages:

86-98 (Age 21-33)

Runs 105
Hits 147
Doubles 31
Triples 5
HR runs 32
RBI 94
SB 34
BB 104

99-07 (Age 34-42)

Runs 96
Hits 113
Doubles 22
Triples 1
HR 39
RBI 87
SB 8
BB 133

It's humanly impossible for men to get younger but he managed to do it......with a little help. Give him his bronze statue. He deserves it. He put asses in the seats in SF and every other park where the Giants played. That is why people looked the other way. And that is the true hypocrisy of MLB.

 

[duanevalle22]

I'll always be a Yankees fan but despise MLB as a whole. The holier than thou treatment of the steroid era that MLB initially endorsed is just sickening to me. Hypocrisy is the backbone of MLB. Barry Bonds was the best player in baseball long before his hat size grew.

I 110% agree!!!

He passed every drug test the MLB administered to him during his career. As far as I'm concerned he's one of the best to ever play baseball...... even though he was a Giant.... lord I hate that team.

And everyone cheats to some degree in sports..... I'm sure some of you played sports and how many times did your coach tell you "if you're not cheating you're not trying." That was good enough for me, especially when I was lined up against someone that was bigger and faster than me... When the opportunity presented itself I would pull their thumb out of its socket.

 

[fearsomefour]

 

[duanevalle22]

My head and ears have gotten bigger over the years since the age of 40... lol.

In all seriousness I stopped taking Dianabol (pill form) in college, there was no reason to take it after as I was done with school.... It was mainly used as a recovery device.

 

[Memento]

I 110% agree!!!

He passed every drug test the MLB administered to him during his career. As far as I'm concerned he's one of the best to ever play baseball...... even though he was a Giant.... lord I hate that team.

And everyone cheats to some degree in sports..... I'm sure some of you played sports and how many times did your coach tell you "if you're not cheating you're not trying." That was good enough for me, especially when I was lined up against someone that was bigger and faster than me... When the opportunity presented itself I would pull their thumb out of its socket.

I play boccia (the disabled version of bocce). I play by ethics and sportsmanship. I have never once stooped to cheating, and the thought has never crossed my mind.

Don't assume everyone thinks the same as you do.

 

[Ground Chuck]

I play boccia (the disabled version of bocce). I play by ethics and sportsmanship. I have never once stooped to cheating, and the thought has never crossed my mind.

Don't assume everyone thinks the same as you do.

You never threw a Boccia club into the spokes of another guys wheel chair? Mem, I'm calling BS on you!!

 

[Memento]

You never threw a Boccia club into the spokes of another guys wheel chair? Mem, I'm calling BS on you!!

Not clubs: balls. Basics of the sport is that each person has six balls (red and blue), two chances each (starting with red) to throw a white ball called the "jack" and their first of six. Goal is to get as many of your colored balls as close to the jack as possible in those four rounds, highest score wins. If it's a tie, the ball goes to the middle of the court, and your goal is to get one of yours as closer than your opponent.

I also played basketball in my freshman/sophomore years in high school, and the only bad foul I ever took was a reach-in. I was a hard-nosed defending point guard (couldn't shoot worth a damn), but not to the point of dirtiness or cheating.

I don't stoop to cheating. I don't talk when it's someone else's turn to throw. I don't even like running up the score in boccia. The thought of playing in an unsportsmanlike manner has honestly never, ever crossed my mind. I guess that's how I was raised, and how utterly disappointed I was at Mark McGwire as a Cardinals fan.

 

[Ground Chuck]

Not clubs: balls. Basics of the sport is that each person has six balls (red and blue), two chances each (starting with red) to throw a white ball called the "jack" and their first of six. Goal is to get as many of your colored balls as close to the jack as possible in those four rounds, highest score wins. If it's a tie, the ball goes to the middle of the court, and your goal is to get one of yours as closer than your opponent.

I also played basketball in my freshman/sophomore years in high school, and the only bad foul I ever took was a reach-in. I was a hard-nosed defending point guard (couldn't shoot worth a damn), but not to the point of dirtiness or cheating.

I don't stoop to cheating. I don't talk when it's someone else's turn to throw. I don't even like running up the score in boccia. The thought of playing in an unsportsmanlike manner has honestly never, ever crossed my mind. I guess that's how I was raised, and how utterly disappointed I was at Mark McGwire as a Cardinals fan.

Oh that's right I've played Bocce a few times. Mixing it up with Croque I suppose.

Cheers to you on your ethics, all kidding aside. I can't stand cheaters either.

Funny thing is, the two biggest names from my school- Tom Brady, and Bonds. What are they known for? At least partly. Cheating.

 

[duanevalle22]

I play boccia (the disabled version of bocce). I play by ethics and sportsmanship. I have never once stooped to cheating, and the thought has never crossed my mind.

Don't assume everyone thinks the same as you do.

Well that's good for you.

Sports to me and how I was taught is find the advantage.... and use that advantage until it's no longer an advantage..... Sports is all about winning.... If it wasn't there wouldn't be a need for scoreboards.