Baker Mayfield

[Juice]

What do you guys think about him calling out his former coach. After he shunned him after the game, he still is standing by his comments that seem to slam Hue Jackson after he joined the Bengals. What do you guys think about that? I know it's another team, but it's all I could hear on the radio yesterday.

I know young people say things without thinking it through some of the time, but why the lack of class? Jackson was fired, and I know the Bengals are a divisional rival, but he can go where he wants. If you do not want him to go to a rival, then keep him until the end of the year. I'm not saying players shouldn't be able to voice there opinion, but some stuff should be kept in the locker room.

What do you guys think?

 

[shaunpinney]

I've stuck by a saying that was told to me when I was much younger. "Never pi$$ on anybody on your way up the ladder, there might be a day you fall off and they'll pis$$ on you."

 

[Legatron4]

Fuck Hue Jackson. Dude has no business near a football field. Horrible coach, bad leader and a smug fuck. He means nothing to the projectory of Mayfields career. He’s going to be very good and doesn’t need anything to do with Jackson. Good on him for cutting the negative out of his life.

 

[Farr Be It]

freak Hue Jackson. Dude has no business near a football field. Horrible coach, bad leader and a smug freak. He means nothing to the projectory of Mayfields career. He’s going to be very good and doesn’t need anything to do with Jackson. Good on him for cutting the negative out of his life.

Maybe I missed something Jackson did, (besides sucking) but I’m with those that see this as a bad reflection on Mayfield.

Have some class and humility. He acted like a kid that has always been doted on and told he was special. I would be embarrassed if he were my son. As other guys have implied, there are no guarantees Mayfields career will always go smoothly.

He may not need Jackson, but others will remember his lack of class. It may come back some day. You reap what you sow.

 

[shovelpass]

I don't see anything wrong with it. I think it's also way overblown. He shook his hand, who cares that he didn't embrace his former coach? Were people seriously expecting a big warm hug? I wasn't. They were together less than a year and clearly didn't get along, and then Hue signs with the enemy. Yeah it's his choice but a dick choice and he knew what he was doing when he signed with them. Browns won, Bengals lost and Jackson still sucks.

 

[OldSchool]

He didn't shun him he shook his hand. He just didn't give him a bro hug. He's the enemy now coaching for a division rival I have no problem at all with just a hand shake. Couple that with the shit talking tour Hue went on and he might have been lucky to even get a hand shake.

 

[tklongball]

This may be just me, but I don't buy this "Young Guy" argument. He is an adult that is a professional. Good lord, you can fight in a war at 18, if you can't act like an adult at 18, I have no sympathy for you. I know that is not what you are saying, @Juice. I just hear this all the time about people that are anywhere from 18-28 ish. Those are not Kids, they are adults, and should act like it and be treated like it.

OK, sorry, had to get my old man moment of the day out of the way...

Here is my take:
Hue Jackson stinks as a coach, between their talent vs. record under him and watching him on Hard Knocks, I think most will agree. He is lost as a head coach.

Baker Mayfield hasn't proven anything in this league. He has stated a hand full of games. DCs don't even have a season of tape on him. Anything a QB does in his first 10-16 starts is irrelevant as far as their ability/potential/what they will turn into. I have seen so many guys hyped up after a few good starts, but once the league adjusts to their game, they never look as good. Christ, if you watched his first game and listened to the announcers, you would have thought that Nick Mullens was Dan Marino reincarnated.

Mayfield has had some ups and downs, as you would expect from a rookie QB, but again, he hasn't done anything in the league yet. I am not a fan of either guy, but in my opinion Mayfield should cut this kind of crap out and act like the bigger man and act like a leader. If he thought Jackson was the worst coach to ever have the job, so be it, he is gone, move forward. This doesn't do anything positive for anybody involved, and is just a "Look at me" type team distraction.

Mayfield may turn into a great Quarterback in time, or he may join the pile of overhyped QBs the likes of Kappernick, RGIII, Winston, Tebow, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. But even if he turns into a combination of Brady, Marino, and Manning, you still don't do this crap.

P.S. Hue Jackson stinks, and doesn't really have any room to talk about anyone.

 

[jrry32]

I'm thinking some of you didn't read Hue's comments after he got fired. He blamed Baker for his firing.

 

[tklongball]

I much prefer the McVay way (and you see Goff and the other players buying in) of talking up every opponent. You could tell, McVay was not happy with Asshole Face after the pre-season game, but he was the bigger man in the lead up to and after the Saints game. I know he is not the first one to have this approach, it is just the approach I prefer.

 

[Farr Be It]

I'm thinking some of you didn't read Hue's comments after he got fired. He blamed Baker for his firing.

Ahhh. That may fill in a few gaps. Thanks Jerry. I didn’t follow that.

On consideration, acceding to the handshake actually showed class enough. The “embrace” may have been more Judas-like post-facto on Jackson’s part.

 

[Mackeyser]

Bottom line is that neither acted with much grace.

And that's okay. Not everyone has that capacity. Kurt Warner was all class dealing with that tool, Martz, and I guess maybe he spoiled us a bit.

As @jrry32 mentioned, Hue essentially blamed Mayfield and Mayfield is an ultra competitive dude, so when the first game out, they stomp Hue's new team with an offensive explosion, it kinda makes sense that he wouldn't be gracious about it.

And there's a large element of truth to it. That team scored 35 points in the first half against a bad NFL defense, but an NFL defense nonetheless.

Anyone who doesn't think that was all Hue Jackson holding them back doesn't understand.

Hue Jackson is a lot like Fisher in that regard.

 

[Selassie I]

I heard Baker's college coach talk about this just this morning. He brought up the fact that Baker is a super loyal guy and that this is exactly who Baker is. He said that it may not be liked by some... but Baker is not fake, and he's glad to see that Baker is still himself despite now playing in the NFL.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Mayfield should keep his trap shut and be respectful. Disappointing.

 

[Ramlock]

What do I think of Mayfield's response to Hue Jackson? Not a lot other than that is consistent with my perception of Mayfield.
He may have a good reason to feel ill will to HJ.

Now, with that said, Mayfield has fully embraced the underdog, disadvantaged, disrespected role as fuel to his level of achievement.

Mayfield is far from disadvantaged, growing up in an affluent family and running with a rich, spoiled crowd.

In a vacuum, he is an entitled dick.

This might be the last time that I ever think of Mayfield...hope so.

 

[Prime Time]

I'm thinking some of you didn't read Hue's comments after he got fired. He blamed Baker for his firing.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...sagrees-cleveland-browns-owner-reason-firings

Hue Jackson disagrees with Browns owner over reason for firings
Pat McManamon

"I think when you stop and look at it, it's truly, really about Baker Mayfield," Jackson said. "I think they want to do everything they can to put him in the situation ... I mean, you got the first pick in the draft -- who I think is going to be a franchise quarterback, who's going to be a sensational player -- and he's not playing as well.

"So again, here is the perfect storm to move forward and move on."

Jackson said the one thing he would do differently is keep control of the offense going into this season.

"That's what I got hired for," Jackson said. "If you're going to go out, you go out doing the things that you know and that you truly believe in."

Jackson said he made the Haley hire and gave him control over the offense and playcalling.

But as he watched the season unfold, Jackson grew to believe that Mayfield should have been running an offense similar to the one he ran at Oklahoma, which was based on playing fast with quick throws -- more slants, more outs, more fast passing and fewer seven-step drops.

"I think you have to go back to Oklahoma and use all the concepts that made him be who he was, the first pick in the draft," Jackson said. "I think you do everything you can to play the way he plays, and you build your offensive football team and your system to his liking. Because that's going to help him be the best version of him."

After saying a week earlier that he wanted to "help" with the offense, Jackson said he decided he was going to step in and take a more active role. He said after the most recent loss that he was going to talk to Haslam and general manager John Dorsey about taking over the offense.

Sources had said he was even going to see if he could fire Haley.

Instead, at the beginning of the meeting with Haslam and Dorsey, Jackson was told he was losing his job. Haley was fired about an hour later.

"I think we played a traditional style of football," Jackson said. "And that's OK. There's nothing wrong with that. But again, the question that was asked of me is, 'What would you do with Baker?'

"I think that's where I think the rubber meets the road. You have to do everything you can to make him successful. And if you're going to do that, then you go back and do the things that made you draft him as the first pick in the draft."

Asked why he didn't just take control because he was the head coach, Jackson said the Browns' system -- as set up by Haslam -- did not work that way.

"Because at the end of the day, we're still a collaborative group," Jackson said. "I think the owner and the GM are also involved in that. Obviously that's how we have our organization set up at the time, and that was the way we were going to go about it.

"Any decisions that I made that way, there is nothing that I wouldn't have not run by Jimmy Haslam and John Dorsey."

Jackson does not hide from his overall 11-44-1 record as a coach in Oakland and Cleveland.

"I hope the next opportunity for me is to go back and be a coordinator, first and foremost," he said. "Go back and put my name back to where it should be, among some of the best playcallers in this league, and then to move forward from there. And whatever happens from there, obviously that's going to be God's decision as we move forward."

 

[Merlin]

Hue was such an immense disappointment as a head coach. My opinion of the dude changed dramatically after watching Hard Knocks.

Way I look at it is Mayfield knows he can play in this league. He also knows Hue sucks and doesn't give a F what he thinks. And I seriously doubt that ever hurts him down the line. Only concern for him right now is whether the Browns can hire a good head coach and coordinator.

 

[jjab360]

Baker is what he is, and everyone knew that even when he got drafted. He's far from politically correct and either doesn't know or doesn't care to say all the right things like a Goff or a McVay. He'll have that chip on his shoulder for his entire career and the media will love to talk about him because of it, kind of like a Marcus Peters.

I do think he's a good QB though, but he'll be a controversial figure as long as he's in the league.

 

[AllGasNoBrakes]

I love Baker.

Hue is a clown who we all got to see on Hardknocks. Him doing the “I’m the one in the coach seat” to Haley was disgusting.

After he gets fired for a record of like 3-30 he proceeds to bash everyone in the Browns organization and point the finger at everyone but himself.

Then he’s so ‘me focused’ that he doesn’t haven the self awareness to NOT SIGN with a cross town divisional rival? At least wait until the season is over dude.

What Baker did was FOR the team and don’t think the team didn’t notice. That’s how you begin to build a culture.

Hats off to Baker for exceeding already lofty expectations.

 

[wolfdogg]

After reading hues comments I don't see how that is a negative slant on baker at all. He is saying that it was all about baker being the best qb possible and that he wasn't able to get him there as quickly as the browns wanted. He isn't saying his firing was because of baker. He's actually admitting that he should have played to bakers strengths and designed an offense more like Oklahoma's.

Here's a question; if the browns release baker in a couple years or don't pick up his 5th year and the Bengals are the only team offering a backup gig, how fast do you think he would drive to the airport to grab a flight to cinci, and would he stop if the police tried to pull him over?

If he prefers a forced handshake over a hug, so what. If he needs to think hue betrayed him because it gets him fired up then go with that, but is it necessary to make personal attacks at multiple press conferences about the guy who was trying his best to make your career as good as possible? Is kicking the man while he's down really helping you or the team?

And I'm guessing that unlike hue, who may have taken the only coaching offer available, if baker is shown the door without a 2nd contract he would love to go to Cincinnati just so he could stick it to Cleveland even if there were other offers on the table.

I appreciate that you're not a cookie cutter qb as you say and that you and everyone else is entitled to an opinion. My opinion is that you had the choice to show some class and maturity and decided to go in another direction, which will be what you hear from the browns at some point in your career. That is an absolute fact.

 

[Ram65]

I don't know the Comments Mayfield made. He shook his hand but, not bro hug....Not a big deal at all.

Listened to Mike Golic this morning and he said Baker can say what he wants to but, he wouldn't have said it. He didn't have a problem with it though. Jackson was a terrible coach. Why did he..........

Jackson said he made the Haley hire and gave him control over the offense and playcalling.

But as he watched the season unfold, Jackson grew to believe that Mayfield should have been running an offense similar to the one he ran at Oklahoma, which was based on playing fast with quick throws -- more slants, more outs, more fast passing and fewer seven-step drops.

..........give away offensive control. The new rage for rookie QBs is to set them up with what they did in college as much as possible. At this point it doesn't really matter.