Are The Rams Really Great At Drafting Talent?

[Allen2McVay]

The Fisher regime couldn’t score points. The defense was good enough.

That's true but there were so much draft capital invested on the defensive side of the ball.

The 2014 six-win-Rams were 16th in points allowed.
That Defense had five 1st round picks, two 2nd round picks and two 3rd rounders starting.

The 2016 four-win-Rams were 23rd in points allowed.
That Defense had five 1st round picks (counting Barron), one 2nd round pick and two 3rd rounders starting.

And, a lot of those guys were High first, second and third round draft choices.
I always thought those Defenses needed to be, and should have been, better than average-to-good.

 

[RamFan503]

That's true but there were so much draft capital invested on the defensive side of the ball.

The 2014 six-win-Rams were 16th in points allowed.
That Defense had five 1st round picks, two 2nd round picks and two 3rd rounders starting.

The 2016 four-win-Rams were 23rd in points allowed.
That Defense had five 1st round picks (counting Barron), one 2nd round pick and two 3rd rounders starting.

And, a lot of those guys were High first, second and third round draft choices.

Ah.... Stats. Rankings are a bit tough to separate out and make a case.

It's difficult to judge a defense when the offense was ranked 28th and 32nd. It is my opinion that defenses are affected much more by the offense than the other way around. The offense has to score and move the chains in order to give the defense a rest and allow the defense to better strategize on what might be coming from the opposing offense. Our offense NEVER forced the opposing offense to become one dimensional outside of maybe two games.

That 2016 team had 4 - 1st rounders and a couple 2nd rounders on offense. Not sure how much that means. That same offense with a few changes, flipped the script the following year and the defense, with almost no changes in personnel that I can recall, rose to 12th. The next year down to 20th. The offense dropped to 2nd in 2018 even though they scored roughly 50 more points than the previous year and we went to the SB with that 20th ranked defense.

Resources don't mean much if the players don't live up to their draft status or the coaches can't get the job done. IMO, 2014 and 2016 were some pretty good defenses. But our offense always put them in a situation of constant guessing and that dropped their ranking.

Bottom line? Rankings shmankings.

 

[Allen2McVay]

Ah.... Stats. Rankings are a bit tough to separate out and make a case.

It's difficult to judge a defense when the offense was ranked 28th and 32nd. It is my opinion that defenses are affected much more by the offense than the other way around. The offense has to score and move the chains in order to give the defense a rest and allow the defense to better strategize on what might be coming from the opposing offense. Our offense NEVER forced the opposing offense to become one dimensional outside of maybe two games.

That 2016 team had 4 - 1st rounders and a couple 2nd rounders on offense. Not sure how much that means. That same offense with a few changes, flipped the script the following year and the defense, with almost no changes in personnel that I can recall, rose to 12th. The next year down to 20th. The offense dropped to 2nd in 2018 even though they scored roughly 50 more points than the previous year and we went to the SB with that 20th ranked defense.

Resources don't mean much if the players don't live up to their draft status or the coaches can't get the job done. IMO, 2014 and 2016 were some pretty good defenses. But our offense always put them in a situation of constant guessing and that dropped their ranking.

Bottom line? Rankings shmankings.

All very good points, except, that three of the first rounders on Offense in 2016 were named Tavon Austin, Kenny Britt and Greg Robinson. There were actually five if you count rookie Jared Goff (7 games) but I don't think he should count, as his primary coaches were Rob Boras (OC) and Chris Weinke (QB-coach).

Regardless, I thought your post deserved a Trophy simply for the "Rankings Shmankings" comment.

 

[Lunchbox]

Rams draft history for the one or two people who want to look:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/ram/draft.htm

Edit:

As an aside that's probably not related to anything, Higbee was a Fisher draft pick that McSnead early on tried to trade to the Vikings for a Sixth. The Rams haven't brought in a TE worth much since getting Higbee.

What I take from this (for anyone who wants to take the time) is that our current brain trust excels at churning the roster and finding contributors at all levels.

The majority of our own picks still on the roster since 2021 are slanted heavily to the most recent drafts in descending order (this is not counting UDFA or FA signings).

Tutu is the only remaining draftee from 2021. Durant, Kyren Williams, Quentin Lake and Kendrick from 2022. Ten out of fourteen from 2023 (so far) etc.

Add in the FA signees and given the results, that, my friends, is what is called making the most of what you have at your disposal.

The Rams have completely rebuilt this team on the fly from our Super Bowl victory without losing a beat (except for injuries).

Whatever they do in the draft is fine with me.

 

[kurtfaulk]

And what year was Fisher's worst draft? (A lot to pick from)

How about 2006--Tye Hill, Joe Klophestien, Claude Wroten, Jon Alston Dominique Byrd

I don't think any of them stayed in the NFL very long.

That was linehan.

Picked a midget instead of ngata. Then the next year picked carriker instead of revis, because they had picked hill the previous year and didn't pick ngata.

Carriker didn't even fit their scheme. Useless bozos.

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[Memento]

That was linehan.

Picked a midget instead of ngata. Then the next year picked carriker instead of revis, because they had picked hill the previous year and didn't pick ngata.

Carriker didn't even fit their scheme. Useless bozos.

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I was fourteen at the time. I went to the 2006 Draft party that the Rams had, got to meet Pisa Tinoisamoa, Jimmy Kennedy, and Kevin Curtis, all of whom seemed like good dudes. I wanted them to draft Haloti Ngata. Tye Hill wasn't even on my radar; I thought that we could get him in the second round if we wanted. Imagine my immeasurable disappointment when they traded down, lost the chance at Ngata, then took Hill. I saw a smug asshole suit, acting like the front office were the smartest people in the room when I knew - that with a draft book alone - I could draft better than any of them could combined.

It made me so pessimistic about the Rams and their future, and it took years to bring back a spark of positivity.

 

[LA_Rams_#29]

We drafted more starters in the last 2 drafts than some teams have done in a decade.

 

[Steve808]

Ah.... Stats. Rankings are a bit tough to separate out and make a case.

It's difficult to judge a defense when the offense was ranked 28th and 32nd. It is my opinion that defenses are affected much more by the offense than the other way around. The offense has to score and move the chains in order to give the defense a rest and allow the defense to better strategize on what might be coming from the opposing offense. Our offense NEVER forced the opposing offense to become one dimensional outside of maybe two games.

That 2016 team had 4 - 1st rounders and a couple 2nd rounders on offense. Not sure how much that means. That same offense with a few changes, flipped the script the following year and the defense, with almost no changes in personnel that I can recall, rose to 12th. The next year down to 20th. The offense dropped to 2nd in 2018 even though they scored roughly 50 more points than the previous year and we went to the SB with that 20th ranked defense.

Resources don't mean much if the players don't live up to their draft status or the coaches can't get the job done. IMO, 2014 and 2016 were some pretty good defenses. But our offense always put them in a situation of constant guessing and that dropped their ranking.

Bottom line? Rankings shmankings.

Fisher was a shitty head coach, but he knew defense. The Rams were statistically middle of the pack defensively in his days, but that was with Johnny Hekker's punts gaining more yards than the offense! Can you imagine what those defenses could have accomplished with a top ten offense?

 

[So Ram]

Fisher was a shitty head coach, but he knew defense. The Rams were statistically middle of the pack defensively in his days, but that was with Johnny Hekker's punts gaining more yards than the offense! Can you imagine what those defenses could have accomplished with a top ten offense?

It’s called a CONTROL FREAK !!

Les Snead had to put up with it,but his evaluations were BAD!! VERY BAD back then.

I’m an Old Draftnk & an Old Believer in Trading back.Just a post about Wuffle liking AD99 & how LUCKY The Rams got Drafting him.

GREG ROBBINSON !!

My whole thing was instead of being a FREAKING DICK Azz mofo & Bringer his whole RG111 Draft class out on the Grass to be TEAM (shameful) CAPTAINS.

IMO kept that TRADE pick alive FOREVER !!He could’ve TRADED back in 2014 to CLEVELAND.
-The Trade #2 pick overall for #9 pick 2014 & 2015 (19th) & (123)

As an example AD99 at #9 & #13 Zach Martin. Trade The #113 pick away for more picks in 2015 ? Keep The PICK ALIVE !!!it RG111 PICK forever.

The RG111 TRADE was The Worst Trade EVER!!! Meaning Les Snead might have made THE BEST TRADE in NFL History DAY 2012 NFL Draft DAY !!!

 

[So Ram]

WOW - WTF ???

Anyone who watched Alshon Jeffery his freshman year would’ve known he would’ve been a Star!!

First pick in 2nd rd & 1st WR taken
in the 2012 draft.

Brian Quick ??? Who WAS DUMB - JEFF FISHER !! Oh Isiah Pead, The Rabbit!!

Could you imagine Mychal Hendricks & Bobby Wagner.

That’s not saying they could’ve had any of the above Rams as well still after drafting those 2 LBers.

The Rabbit was the The Redskins pick & Bobby Wagner just played with Washington which would have made that RG111 that much more alive than anything,besides keeping that pick alive.

Make matters WORSE The Rams botched 2013 up IMO. They decided to go WR & LBer

#22 was the RG111 pick. The #16 pick gets moved up to #8 for Tavon Austin.


Kyle Long at #16
#22 (25)Xavier Rhodes
Just to stay pat. ,but could’ve traded that #22 back to just keep the pick a live.
D” Hopkins was a player at #22 as well(27)

It’s not that hard to figure out.

In 2025 trading back might be the best option with such a deep draft.These are examples of value & trading back.

Trading up shouldn’t be an option.
Then again B. FISKE ?? Les Snead needs to get value back if your saying Fuske was a first RD pick,trade back & find that player.

 

[So Ram]

I’ll say this kid from ND in later RD’s might be alright.He was at the Senior Bowl & has a great attitude.He is competitive & still looks raw(young).There is a lot of upside there.

 

[sloramfan]

enough of the depressing linehan/spags/fisher years...

back on topic... snead's crew is nailing it, and we fans are loving it!!

go rams

slo

 

[So Ram]

enough of the depressing linehan/spags/fisher years...

back on topic... snead's crew is nailing it, and we fans are loving it!!

go rams

slo

True - I’m not doubting Les Snead & his MAD SCIENCE!! He found his way in his garage through COVID.

Whatever that Whitch Brew FORMULA he comes in his Batch for 2025 continues.
The concern is it was stolen by the Jags

Is there a player or position you like in the Draft Slo ? I like Coleman at 26 & think he might be available.

I’m big at trading back & from past results see Da Bears might be excellent trading partners ?

Then again Jared Verse was The Rams 1st 1st rd pick since Jared Goff. ??? & a New start for Sean Mcvay getting left with such a STUD !! The thing is is he was 10 picks earlier & the question is is the value there ???

 

[CGI_Ram]

If there is a secret sauce to our draft process, such as analytics, guys like Brad Holmes and James Gladstone took that process knowledge with them.

 

[So Ram]

If there is a secret sauce to our draft process, such as analytics, guys like Brad Holmes and James Gladstone took that process knowledge with them.

Yeah - but Gladstone has been apart of it these last 2 years.That’s been Sneads Top Drafts EVER!!

You look back beyond that & there were a lot of mistakes & mustard Ram jeresey off the Hot Dog.

The Rams need to have an excellent draft to get over the hump.

A team I see that has really done well & has more upside than The Rams & Lions is the Packers. I believe they were the Youngest team in The NFL last season?? They’re overlooked imo.

 

[So Ram]

The niners got SO bailed out w/ Purdy & all those picks from crap HC draft Mooney 3rd rounders.

Let’s hope Raheem’spick brings us love.

 

[Ram Ts]

Then again Jared Verse was The Rams 1st 1st rd pick since Jared Goff. ??? & a New start for Sean Mcvay getting left with such a STUD !! The thing is is he was 10 picks earlier & the question is is the value there ???

10?

 

[Loyal]

That was linehan.

Picked a midget instead of ngata. Then the next year picked carriker instead of revis, because they had picked hill the previous year and didn't pick ngata.

Carriker didn't even fit their scheme. Useless bozos.

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Carriker always reminded of a cut rate Ivan Drago from Rocky IV! Remember the big to-do with Carrikers hand strength/work? We cou;dn't draft Dline to save our lives, until AD.

 

[So Ram]

10?

16th pick VERES vs 2025 26th pick ?
Waiting for a STUD like that who really was a TOP 10 pick overall in 2024.
IMO trading back might make the most sense.Campbell is a STUD who would really AMP UP The Rams defense. His stop & go speed and burst is impressive from what I’ve seen.
The draft is a month away,getting excited to see what happens.I was glad when Jared Verse fell to The Rams.The Rams needed annOLB/DE. His POWER is unbelievable.His speed as well.
-Getting another stud pass rusher better than Hoecht would be amazing,but B. Jackson might be able to fill that role ??

 

[Ram Ts]

16th pick VERES …

Que?