Anybody else relieved at Stafford having an injury?

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Also, you are 1000% correct about the few here that will never embrace him because he is not Jared. It's sad.

I've not seen that here. I'm not saying you're wrong... but pm some names. I keep hearing about Stafford getting an unfair shake from Rams fans. I'd say 99.999% of everything I've heard is excitement, high praise or over the top, second-coming kind of worship. I've read very little criticism about him here and nothing that seemed unfair.

There's been this narrative that says Stafford isn't embraced and his play is dissected because of Goff. First off, dissecting the QBs performance is simply what people do.

Stafford is better than Goff and he should be. That's it. I don't like it when fans hate a player and relentlessly talk shit on them and I also don't like it when fans straight up worship a player and excuse his every mistake. Both of those traits are obnoxious imo, and usually it's the same people guilty of too much love or hate, it seems.
 

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It’s been real easy to talk about 9, all by himself.
 

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I'd love to see Ben Skowronek and Jacob Harris get a few targets. Stafford really did well just throwing jump balls in Detroit.
 

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Geez dudes calm down. What we are seeing is growing pains. This is a new offense with a new QB. Stafford is playing slower as he is slower to read the play. He's playing with new receivers so he must see things the same way and trust them.

With every offense, the WRs have multiple options built into each route depending upon how they read the defense. Stafford must learn to see it the same way and that takes experience with them. His high throw to Jefferson was him not trusting Van to get open. His miss of Kupp on the deep throw was poor timing. When he's throwing passes that he's confident in it shows. These are routes that he's thrown in games and practices so he's seeing things the same way.

You wait, coming out of their bye week in week 11 Stafford should be in sync with the offense and receivers. This offense will peak exactly at the right time.

If I have a concern it's with Morris. He needs an attitude adjustment, i.e. stats do matter as many times they are a reflection of how good or not the play is. Also, it's a statement from a coach who is used to losing. Finally, stats matter to his players. What he's saying is that he doesn't care what they think. That again is what a loser coach says.

Morris needs to swallow his pride and change his play philosophy from sit back to attack. If he does that this team will win a SB. If not the Rams could be one and done in the playoffs.
 

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Geez dudes calm down. What we are seeing is growing pains. This is a new offense with a new QB. Stafford is playing slower as he is slower to read the play. He's playing with new receivers so he must see things the same way and trust them.

With every offense, the WRs have multiple options built into each route depending upon how they read the defense. Stafford must learn to see it the same way and that takes experience with them. His high throw to Jefferson was him not trusting Van to get open. His miss of Kupp on the deep throw was poor timing. When he's throwing passes that he's confident in it shows. These are routes that he's thrown in games and practices so he's seeing things the same way.

You wait, coming out of their bye week in week 11 Stafford should be in sync with the offense and receivers. This offense will peak exactly at the right time.

If I have a concern it's with Morris. He needs an attitude adjustment, i.e. stats do matter as many times they are a reflection of how good or not the play is. Also, it's a statement from a coach who is used to losing. Finally, stats matter to his players. What he's saying is that he doesn't care what they think. That again is what a loser coach says.

Morris needs to swallow his pride and change his play philosophy from sit back to attack. If he does that this team will win a SB. If not the Rams could be one and done in the playoffs.
I think we understand how you feel about Morris.
How that’s connected to Stafford’s play, I have no idea.
 

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I've not seen that here. I'm not saying you're wrong... but pm some names. I keep hearing about Stafford getting an unfair shake from Rams fans. I'd say 99.999% of everything I've heard is excitement, high praise or over the top, second-coming kind of worship. I've read very little criticism about him here and nothing that seemed unfair.

There's been this narrative that says Stafford isn't embraced and his play is dissected because of Goff. First off, dissecting the QBs performance is simply what people do.

Stafford is better than Goff and he should be. That's it. I don't like it when fans hate a player and relentlessly talk shit on them and I also don't like it when fans straight up worship a player and excuse his every mistake. Both of those traits are obnoxious imo, and usually it's the same people guilty of too much love or hate, it seems.
Nah, it's not that bad. I respect the dudes on here that have a strong opinion. I just don't particularly like the passive aggressive BS. That all.
 

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Nah, it's not that bad. I respect the dudes on here that have a strong opinion. I just don't particularly like the passive aggressive BS. That all.
Totally dude. I get that.
 

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I'm not so concerned with the misses a as timing new coach new system no preseason can only improve as season goes on. However I am concerned on why his deep ball has been short more time so hand not lately. That concerns me as I stated earlier in his career I could probably count on one hand the times he under threw a deep ball. It would make sense if the thumb and then the index finger would cause pain on the deep throw some causing him to under throw it. We will need to keep an eye on that,
 

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I kind of hate threads like this because to defend what we like about Stafford, means that you have to contrast his abilities to Jared. They both had positives and negatives, but I am 10 times more confident about how far Stafford can take us than where Goff could/can from here on out. Threads like this really boil down to "We never should have gotten rid of Jared because I liked him."....and then back fill other arguments when questioned.

Yes, Jared was the QB when we went to a Super Bowl, but there were 52 other players involved with that (plus coaching, training, etc...). At the QB position, I believe Stafford gives more to the winning effort that Goff could, but he still requires the efforts of the other 52 to take us there and win it. So with every interception or bad play we'll hear from the questioners of the trade deal, but it all disappears when Stafford has a killer game. Just like the questioners of Stafford in the media question Stafford in the big games. They move the goal posts when he beats a Tampa Bay because that goes against the narrative, but then pounce on him when he has a bad day like vs the Cardinals. We won't hear about Jared bad plays for the Lions this year because most attribute the bigger part of those to the team, or game situations etc.... but we also know Jared has his own flaws and those won't be emphasized in the media because it's sexier to rail against Stafford so their their predictions of his failure are fulfilled. I'm not saying everyone critical of Stafford is like this, but some are.

I don't have an issue with comparing them as long as people are being consistent and objective. There are some who want to act like Jared couldn't hit the broad side of a barn, which is frankly ridiculous, and unfair to Stafford as well. The different in their arm talent isn't that wide of a gap, which makes sense, they were both #1 overall picks for a reason, they can make every throw. Stafford has a little bit more distance to his throws and throws a tighter spiral, Goff had a little bit better touch resulting in a very catchable ball. Goff could also sling it a long distance, Stafford can also add on a little touch, both could squeeze it into tight windows. People who make comments about "Oh Goff (or usually Goof, which is a bullshit name for someone who did so much for the franchise and the community) could never do that!" when we have highlights of him doing exactly that. It's silly and unwarranted IMO.

I think the biggest things that Stafford has going for him over Goff is his experience and willingness to push the ball down the field, that gunslinger mentality, as well as his ability to sense pressure and not fumble the ball, so less turnovers overall, which is huge and the reason why we traded for him. As Stafford gets more comfortable with the scheme he's only going to get better, not to look too far ahead, but I think year 2 and beyond (I assume he'll resign with us and can probably play into his 40s if he stays healthy and wants to, which if he's winning and finally playing the type of professional ball he dreamed of I think he will) he should really get better. Goff in year two of McVays system was really good, I can see that type of step up with Stafford in his second year in the system as well, but everything elevated thanks to his additional ability.

Goff's biggest strength over Stafford, at this stage, was his ability to stay even and perform pretty well in big games. Stafford just simply hasn't played in enough of them yet, so I can see why some people may be nervous when they see him a little shaky early on in some of these bigger games. I have no doubt that Stafford will perform when the time comes, he just hasn't had the opportunity to do so yet. Thus far, he's 2-0 in primetime with us, 3-0 if you count the Bucs game as a national one since it was the "game of the week" so despite some shaky play at points in the games, he's gotten the job done, which is what we needed, it's what ultimately matters.

Stafford is clearly the superior QB to Jared at this point in their careers, but Jared was good enough to win, get us into the playoffs, win playoff games, and at least bring us to the Super Bowl once. People will probably question Staffords ability to do the same (outside of winning, he can clearly do that just as well at this point) until he does the same, when you give up a winning QB who has proven he can win in the playoffs I think it's fair to make that comparison, I just don't think it's fair to use that as a reason for why the trade wasn't good or as a reason that Goff is a better QB. Goff could win, but Stafford is clearly an upgrade and anyone who thinks otherwise just isn't being honest. If you think that upgrade was worth the price or not, that obviously comes down to results, wins and losses.

If the upgrade results in more wins or losses is probably more dependent on McVay to be honest, there have been moments from him I really haven't liked. He spoke about it early on how he liked that Stafford didn't need to consult the tablet after a drive or they didn't need to get together allowing him to focus on what the defence is doing, and I really cringed when I heard that. The last few weeks I've noticed Stafford has been grabbing the tablet after drives, which is good, its what he should be doing. McVay should also be going over a few things with him if he thinks he can benefit for it. He should be talking in his ear like he was with Jared if he thinks it'll help him out. If McVay's system is really what made Goff into what he was then shouldn't it help elevate Stafford even more? Give him a longer leash for sure, but not to the point where we're taking a delay of game penalty in late in a half. And for fucks sake, enough of these "giving up" play designs on third and long.

TL;DR, Stafford and Goff comparisons are fair IMO as long as you're objective, and objectively Stafford is the better QB. It's up to McVay to make that upgrade translate to better play on the field more than anything.
 

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I don't have an issue with comparing them as long as people are being consistent and objective. There are some who want to act like Jared couldn't hit the broad side of a barn, which is frankly ridiculous, and unfair to Stafford as well. The different in their arm talent isn't that wide of a gap, which makes sense, they were both #1 overall picks for a reason, they can make every throw. Stafford has a little bit more distance to his throws and throws a tighter spiral, Goff had a little bit better touch resulting in a very catchable ball. Goff could also sling it a long distance, Stafford can also add on a little touch, both could squeeze it into tight windows. People who make comments about "Oh Goff (or usually Goof, which is a bullshit name for someone who did so much for the franchise and the community) could never do that!" when we have highlights of him doing exactly that. It's silly and unwarranted IMO.

I think the biggest things that Stafford has going for him over Goff is his experience and willingness to push the ball down the field, that gunslinger mentality, as well as his ability to sense pressure and not fumble the ball, so less turnovers overall, which is huge and the reason why we traded for him. As Stafford gets more comfortable with the scheme he's only going to get better, not to look too far ahead, but I think year 2 and beyond (I assume he'll resign with us and can probably play into his 40s if he stays healthy and wants to, which if he's winning and finally playing the type of professional ball he dreamed of I think he will) he should really get better. Goff in year two of McVays system was really good, I can see that type of step up with Stafford in his second year in the system as well, but everything elevated thanks to his additional ability.

Goff's biggest strength over Stafford, at this stage, was his ability to stay even and perform pretty well in big games. Stafford just simply hasn't played in enough of them yet, so I can see why some people may be nervous when they see him a little shaky early on in some of these bigger games. I have no doubt that Stafford will perform when the time comes, he just hasn't had the opportunity to do so yet. Thus far, he's 2-0 in primetime with us, 3-0 if you count the Bucs game as a national one since it was the "game of the week" so despite some shaky play at points in the games, he's gotten the job done, which is what we needed, it's what ultimately matters.

Stafford is clearly the superior QB to Jared at this point in their careers, but Jared was good enough to win, get us into the playoffs, win playoff games, and at least bring us to the Super Bowl once. People will probably question Staffords ability to do the same (outside of winning, he can clearly do that just as well at this point) until he does the same, when you give up a winning QB who has proven he can win in the playoffs I think it's fair to make that comparison, I just don't think it's fair to use that as a reason for why the trade wasn't good or as a reason that Goff is a better QB. Goff could win, but Stafford is clearly an upgrade and anyone who thinks otherwise just isn't being honest. If you think that upgrade was worth the price or not, that obviously comes down to results, wins and losses.

If the upgrade results in more wins or losses is probably more dependent on McVay to be honest, there have been moments from him I really haven't liked. He spoke about it early on how he liked that Stafford didn't need to consult the tablet after a drive or they didn't need to get together allowing him to focus on what the defence is doing, and I really cringed when I heard that. The last few weeks I've noticed Stafford has been grabbing the tablet after drives, which is good, its what he should be doing. McVay should also be going over a few things with him if he thinks he can benefit for it. He should be talking in his ear like he was with Jared if he thinks it'll help him out. If McVay's system is really what made Goff into what he was then shouldn't it help elevate Stafford even more? Give him a longer leash for sure, but not to the point where we're taking a delay of game penalty in late in a half. And for fucks sake, enough of these "giving up" play designs on third and long.

TL;DR, Stafford and Goff comparisons are fair IMO as long as you're objective, and objectively Stafford is the better QB. It's up to McVay to make that upgrade translate to better play on the field more than anything.
Now THAT was a post... Or dissertation, not sure which, but I agree with everything. I would add that Stafford has a quicker release as well. He also moves defenders with his eyes well and can throw from every arm angle. Well.

Also, that no looker to Woody Thursday night was as sick of a play as I have ever seen. Not even sure Mahomes attempts one that long and into that coverage. That shit froze everybody including Kupp...
 

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Now THAT was a post... Or dissertation, not sure which, but I agree with everything. I would add that Stafford has a quicker release as well. He also moves defenders with his eyes well and can throw from every arm angle. Well.

Also, that no looker to Woody Thursday night was as sick of a play as I have ever seen. Not even sure Mahomes attempts one that long and into that coverage. That shit froze everybody including Kupp...

I'm back teaching at a uni while also getting another postgraduate degree so I'm getting back into longer writings. I even cut out several paragraphs of that post for everyones sake. :LOL:

Agreed on that no looker, froze everybody, even the cameraman for a moment, brilliant play, wish it was being highlighted by the media more. If he added more style points like Mahomes maybe he'd get the attention. I've noticed Stafford change his arm angle a few times during the season already, he really does a great job of adjusting to whats best for the play, extremely underrated ability that sets him apart.
 

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So much bitching and complaining makes me wonder how many people were around for time before McVay and Fisher.

I’m thankful we have Stafford. There isn’t a QB in our division I would trade for him. There may not be one in the NFC.
 

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I'm not so concerned with the misses a as timing new coach new system no preseason can only improve as season goes on. However I am concerned on why his deep ball has been short more time so hand not lately. That concerns me as I stated earlier in his career I could probably count on one hand the times he under threw a deep ball. It would make sense if the thumb and then the index finger would cause pain on the deep throw some causing him to under throw it. We will need to keep an eye on that,
Some of his throws in the Cards game were so off, there is no way he does that without an issue of some kind with his hand.
 

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Now THAT was a post... Or dissertation, not sure which, but I agree with everything. I would add that Stafford has a quicker release as well. He also moves defenders with his eyes well and can throw from every arm angle. Well.

Also, that no looker to Woody Thursday night was as sick of a play as I have ever seen. Not even sure Mahomes attempts one that long and into that coverage. That shit froze everybody including Kupp...
I was re-watching the game last night. You're right.. Kupp froze then looked over his right shoulder like... "Where the fuck is that ball going???"
 

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Some of his throws in the Cards game were so off, there is no way he does that without an issue of some kind with his hand.

I'm very concerned with Stafford's right hand, IMO, like Kurt Warner did later in his career, Stafford should consider wearing a glove to protect his hand and fingers.