Allen Robinson done for year

[Tumak61]

17 games, 4 playoff games. took it's toll

 

[Kupped]

Odds don't work that way.

These issues may be deep.

Let us hope it is a great learning experience.

I think it's more likely the odds caught up to them than anything else.
They had better-than-average luck for several seasons on the injury front.. they're having worse injury luck this season.
There's the league average of injuries.. and there are teams above it and below it each season.

If they had programmatic problems.. why wouldn't they have shown up in previous years?

 

[Kupped]

17 games, 4 playoff games. took it's toll

That, too..

But.. what about the guys who weren't even on the team that are hurt? Guys who didn't play much?

 

[SWAdude]

I think it's more likely the odds caught up to them than anything else.
They had better-than-average luck for several seasons on the injury front.. they're having worse injury luck this season.
There's the league average of injuries.. and there are teams above it and below it each season.

If they had programmatic problems.. why wouldn't they have shown up in previous years?

I am a victim of statistics.

And they simply do not work that way.

Doing so ignores reasoning.

Que Sera Sera......

Next year be better.

Bull shit.

The very definition of insanity.

Something needs to be different next year.

 

[Angry Ram]

These issues may be deep

No..just no.

A coach/GM that developed a team that has had winning seasons for 5/6 years may have "deep issues"? What??

Injuries to some degree since training camp doesn't mean there's "deep issues".

NFL is so cyclical. I mean just look at Philly...they win the bowl and for 4 years they muddled around .500 and a 4 win year, and now they are 9-1. Good teams have runs then fall and back again. Doesn't mean there are "issues".

Issues mean teams like the Browns. The Texans. The Raiders. The Broncos. This is an outlier season, so wake me up when the team suddenly becomes the Texans.

 

[Kupped]

I am a victim of statistics.

And they simply do not work that way.

Doing so ignores reasoning.

Que Sera Sera......

Next year be better.

Bull shit.

The very definition of insanity.

Something needs to be different next year.

What reasoning am I ignoring?

Which year is the statistical anomaly? What happens when you have several years of a positive anomaly in one direction in a system like professional football?

I guess I thought that when you looked at the league average of injuries per season... expecting your team to have exactly that many injuries was the wrong way.. some years you'll be above, other years you'll be below.

 

[SWAdude]

No..just no.

A coach/GM that developed a team that has had winning seasons for 5/6 years may have "deep issues"? What??

Injuries to some degree since training camp doesn't mean there's "deep issues".

NFL is so cyclical. I mean just look at Philly...they win the bowl and for 4 years they muddled around .500 and a 4 win year, and now they are 9-1. Good teams have runs then fall and back again. Doesn't mean there are "issues".

Issues mean teams like the Browns. The Texans. The Raiders. The Broncos. This is an outlier season, so wake me up when the team suddenly becomes the Texans.

And they have a different Head Coach. Not that I want that.

I want our team to learn with McVay and do better next year.

This is turning out to be a historical year. Not in the good way.

In the mid-nineties the whiners sold their future for decades of mediocrity. I believe we do not need to do that with our roster secured for the long term.

There are HUGE mistakes this year and injury bugs are just an excuse.

Our team needs to fix this.

 

[SWAdude]

What reasoning am I ignoring?

Which year is the statistical anomaly? What happens when you have several years of a positive anomaly in one direction in a system like professional football?

I guess I thought that when you looked at the league average of injuries per season... expecting your team to have exactly that many injuries was the wrong way.. some years you'll be above, other years you'll be below.

This year is not below.

This year you can not ignore.

Something is wrong.

 

[Kupped]

And they have a different Head Coach. Not that I want that.

I want our team to learn with McVay and do better next year.

This is turning out to be a historical year. Not in the good way.

In the mid-nineties the whiners sold their future for decades of mediocrity. I believe we do not need to do that with our roster secured for the long term.

There are HUGE mistakes this year and injury bugs are just an excuse.

Our team needs to fix this.

Sorry, SWA.. I get what you're saying, but I just feel like you're coming across a little heavy-handed.

The NFL is typically won on the margins.. margins of health and performance, especially.

You're RIGHT.. in that they need to revisit some of their big decisions. Did they talk themselves into Noteboom? Did they give Terron Armstead a real look in FA? Should they have drafted MORE OL and carried 10?

After a season like this, sure.. everything needs to be re-evaluated.

The things is.. this organization HAS succeeded and has corrected mistakes... enough to win a Super Bowl.

They made some poor decisions AND they had some horrific luck this year, imo.

 

[PonyExpress29]

A ton of injuries up front, Kupp, & Stafford out. Bad offensive lineman who are literally 3rd string at best for other teams. Allen Robinson bad free agency pick up. We should have kept Bobby (Trees) Woods; I would have rather kept him than to reach for Robinson. He’s had more than enough time to be a factor but I don’t see it all. It’s probably best to shutdown Stafford for the rest of the year why risk his health with a bad offensive line. You can probably say the same for Kupp. Defensively, we kept KC out of the end zone except for the isolated matchup between Kelsey and Ramsey. Ramsey needs to start playing better! Special team mistakes and getting beat 1:1 is unacceptable. He’s getting paid a lot of money as your shutdown corner to get beat when you need him to make big plays. We are losing games because of a lack of quality depth at the offensive line and unfortunate injuries to a few key skilled offensive players. Last year we went all in to win the bowl and now we are paying the price for the high risk, high reward mentality that the front office choose to go with instead drafting and waiting for success down the road. The window of opportunity is starting to close and we have to start thinking about rebuilding. If you want to stay prominent in this league you have to draft players who will contribute right away and they are difference makers. Look how KC keeps winning they draft very well.

 

[Pancake]

Feel sorry for him but it's not much of a loss for the Rams. It's not like McVay game plans him into the offense or anything.

 

[SWAdude]

After a season like this, sure.. everything needs to be re-evaluated.

The things is.. this organization HAS succeeded and has corrected mistakes... enough to win a Super Bowl.

They made some poor decisions AND they had some horrific luck this year, imo.

I can live with some of that.

If this team says to themselves "Gee, we had some horrific luck this year", I can not live with that.

Even if it is, which is statistically improbable, but not "impossible", let us up hope for humble change.

 

[Kupped]

I can live with some of that.

If this team says to themselves "Gee, we had some horrific luck this year", I can not live with that.

Even if it is, which is statistically improbable, but not "impossible", let us up hope for humble change.

Oh, there's nothing about this organization, after watching it the last few years, that will chalk it all up to luck.

No way.

And it's not humility they need, it's better decision making, imo.

Snead has said it numerous times.. they don't think they're smarter than everyone else.. that's why they keep trading back and getting more picks.. to increase the odds they'll get some decent players.

There is an inherent risk to they way they went about winning the Super Bowl.. and, well, we're seeing some of the dark side of that.

But they won the Super Bowl.

Now, they gotta fix some real problems.

 

[Angry Ram]

There are HUGE mistakes this year and injury bugs are just an excuse.

Saying the injuries are an excuse is something for coaches and players to say at press conferences and interviews. Except it's not really an excuse when it's a reality. This isn't a case where you lose a backup guard here or a linebacker there. When you lose your starter, backup, and backup to his backup at multiple spots, yeah that's a very legit reason. I mean hell, I had to zoom out on my 21" monitor to capture this screenshot:

Obviously not including Allen and Matthew Stafford and all the other guys in and out of the lineup.

I want our team to learn with McVay and do better next year.

This is turning out to be a historical year. Not in the good way.

In the mid-nineties the whiners sold their future for decades of mediocrity. I believe we do not need to do that with our roster secured for the long term.

Our team needs to fix this.

And my "problem" (if you can even call it that) with your previous post is the "may be deep issues" comment. One bad season out of 6 and only now there are "issues"? So they were winning in spite of said issues? What makes you think this team, this organization, has these so called issues, and that they can't "fix it"? Getting guys back from injury will be a big part of that fixing. Isn't that what good orgs do, and aren't the Rams a good org?

 

[SuperMan28]

View: https://twitter.com/JourdanRodrigue/status/1596979638169108481?s=20&t=FGIfYxbGB-VPBkEDw6VRcw

Yes, Joe Thuney was out today. Allegretti is a pretty good player but Aaron Donald is Aaron Donald. Lol

 

[Oregonram]

Saying the injuries are an excuse is something for coaches and players to say at press conferences and interviews. Except it's not really an excuse when it's a reality. This isn't a case where you lose a backup guard here or a linebacker there. When you lose your starter, backup, and backup to his backup at multiple spots, yeah that's a very legit reason. I mean hell, I had to zoom out on my 21" monitor to capture this screenshot:

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Obviously not including Allen and Matthew Stafford and all the other guys in and out of the lineup.






And my "problem" (if you can even call it that) with your previous post is the "may be deep issues" comment. One bad season out of 6 and only now there are "issues"? So they were winning in spite of said issues? What makes you think this team, this organization, has these so called issues, and that they can't "fix it"? Getting guys back from injury will be a big part of that fixing. Isn't that what good orgs do, and aren't the Rams a good org?

Here are a few “problematic” issues many of us on this board voiced before the season. These issues were spoken about before the injury bug hit us.
1. Our back up QB is a mysterious lack of professional judgement. It’s not the fault of Wolfy or Perkins, but neither are NFL caliber….the question is why? Was Sean so focused on neck up that he lost the reality that there needed to be physical traits?
2. The teams lack of a durable running back. Why was Sony Michele so dismissed last year after providing a very serviceable season? Makes no sense. I know we drafted Kyren, but alas he got hurt in the first game…not Sean’s fault, but a thick “type” to punish DLine over time can help to slow down a pass rush. We get great contributions from guys like CJ Anderson and let them walk.
3. The lack of veteran help from OL free agent pick ups has killed us. Noteboom was adequate from a smarts and footwork perspective, but not from a durability standpoint…same with Allen. But to go after looooong projects for back ups is irresponsible. The injury bug has laid these decisions “bare” for the world to see.
Why did Bortles walk…we got Stafford, and we waived him on. Without Sony Michele, we would not have made it to the super Bowl, the reason is, Matt Stafford would have been destroyed by defenses like he has been this year. I hope Sean sees that he doesn’t have an NFL caliber QB on his bench right now. I can’t speak about cookus because I haven’t seen him play yet.

 

[XXXIVwin]

Ah FFS. I misread the title and thought this was the " A'SHAWN Robinson out for the year" thread.

No team and no coach could have a winning season with this many injuries. Just unreal.

 

[Kupped]

Here are a few “problematic” issues many of us on this board voiced before the season. These issues were spoken about before the injury bug hit us.
1. Our back up QB is a mysterious lack of professional judgement. It’s not the fault of Wolfy or Perkins, but neither are NFL caliber….the question is why? Was Sean so focused on neck up that he lost the reality that there needed to be physical traits?
2. The teams lack of a durable running back. Why was Sony Michele so dismissed last year after providing a very serviceable season? Makes no sense. I know we drafted Kyren, but alas he got hurt in the first game…not Sean’s fault, but a thick “type” to punish DLine over time can help to slow down a pass rush. We get great contributions from guys like CJ Anderson and let them walk.
3. The lack of veteran help from OL free agent pick ups has killed us. Noteboom was adequate from a smarts and footwork perspective, but not from a durability standpoint…same with Allen. But to go after looooong projects for back ups is irresponsible. The injury bug has laid these decisions “bare” for the world to see.
Why did Bortles walk…we got Stafford, and we waived him on. Without Sony Michele, we would not have made it to the super Bowl, the reason is, Matt Stafford would have been destroyed by defenses like he has been this year. I hope Sean sees that he doesn’t have an NFL caliber QB on his bench right now. I can’t speak about cookus because I haven’t seen him play yet.

Bortles was long gone before Stafford arrived... just an fyi.

I understand why people are bothered by the backup QB situation.. but I do think, if you had the rest of your offense functional, that Wolford would give you an acceptable performance FOR A BACKUP.

People jumping on him, I get it.. but he was behind the same disaster Oline as Stafford.. and produced at a rate somewhat behind Stafford, but not awful. Stafford has an 87 rating this year.. Wolford is at 79. Perkins is a 53.

The RB thing has been confounding... but.. how could we tell if they had a good plan at RB this year or not? Between the injuries to Kyren Williams and the Oline? I honestly have no idea whether they could have had a functional running game with all three.

The Oline.. I honestly think the only real mistake, even in hindsight, was not going after Terron Armstead.

 

[Tano]

I think we have had as many injuries this year as the last 5 years combined

 

[LouisvilleRam]

Aaron Donald has. He always will.

I have AD listed in my first post