Advanced passing stats (dispelling myths)

[Merlin]

Who said Goff has been perfect and everything else has been bad? Everyone has said Goff hasn't played well. But we realise the oline has messed up his internal clock with their sieve like protection so even when he does get time his timing is way off in the games where he's under the pump pretty much all game.

Pretty much. And I will say I think he needs an offseason dedicated to his mechanics to get them back to where they were last year. Watching him in the last game that pinpoint precision in his ball placement that we were so accustomed to in 2018 was not there. So many passes he was off with, and fortunately many of them went for completions. But there's no reason to think he cannot get back to being that QB.

What kills me with message boards though is how fans have to gravitate to extremes. It's goddamn tiring tbh.

 

[Corbin]

You then showed stats from one of the greatest QBs in history, and two who lucked themselves into super bowl wins (it took talent on their part, but it's not like they were the driving force behind the wins; they were total team efforts). What you showed only potentially reinforces that the circumstances around a QB can cause fluctuations in that QB's performance.

Does it matter if its one of the greatest QB's in history? The point is he said " a QB forget to throw for 2 100 qbr seasons" IDK you tell me? Did Manning forget how to do that? Did any other QB in history that didn't make a 100 plus QB rating forget? The answer is no, so the point is irrelevant.

I say potentially because you didn't actually address the circumstances around those QBs. Only the stats of the QB. It's impossible to say that some external force did not inhibit either Manning from performing better in those dip seasons, because your stat only looks at the QB.

Does circumstances really matter if they have a combined 3 SB rings? How many does Goff have? Ps those 2 QB's you cared to muddy about their performances because of 'circumstances' out performed Goff in their playoff games.

I'm not entirely sure what you thought you were refuting, but it was ineffective. You showed that QBs, even the best, can go from over 100 to under 100 and back up over 100 again. You didn't address why, which was the central reason for the post you had quoted when showing those stats about passer rating.

Thank you for trying to make a elegant post but what I was refuting has been said.

Did Peyton Manning suddenly forget how to be a QB and then remember the next season? I find that highly unlikely, but I'm open to the idea of anyone has evidence either way. Showing that it's happened at all before doesn't address why it's happened before.

Even if you're saying it is possible for the best QB to forget how to play football (instead of external circumstances affecting him) and then remember again, isn't that all the more reason to stick with Goff?

Bro you talking in freaking circles trying to prove a point.

What I am saying is the Peters/Talib moves make sense.
Moving Goff makes no sense.

That's because it's after the fact and you you've seen the assets exchanged. No assets can be exchanged now or proposed until the off season.

 

[fearsomefour]

Does it matter if its one of the greatest QB's in history? The point is he said " a QB forget to throw for 2 100 qbr seasons" IDK you tell me? Did Manning forget how to do that? Did any other QB in history that didn't make a 100 plus QB rating forget? The answer is no, so the point is irrelevant.

Does circumstances really matter if they have a combined 3 SB rings? How many does Goff have? Ps those 2 QB's you cared to muddy about their performances because of 'circumstances' out performed Goff in their playoff games.


Thank you for trying to make a elegant post but what I was refuting has been said.


Bro you talking in freaking circles trying to prove a point.



That's because it's after the fact and you you've seen the assets exchanged. No assets can be exchanged now or proposed until the off season.

There likely wouldn’t be a deal for Goff that is going to make sense. Is that ok?

 

[Ramlock]

There is the rumor he is a drunk.

Seriously?

 

[Ramlock]

That's what people said about Peters and Talib, we shall see.

Said no one

 

[TexasRam]

Tom Brady:

FIRST 6 FULL SEASONS (2001-2006) QB RATING 88.6

2006 (7th year) QB RATING 87.9
2007 (8th year) QB RATING 117.2 - Randy Moss added.
2013 (14th year) QB RATING 87.3
2017 (18th year)QB RATING 102.8

Notice the fluctuations? Notice the rating in the early years?


Jared Goff

FIRST THREE FULL SEASONS QB RATING 95.2


CALM DOWN FOLKS.

GOFF Is Outperforming the GOAT in his early years, and yearly fluctuations are quite normal for even THE GREAT ONES.

If you think Goff or any QB is going to have a 100 QB rating every year you are not living in reality.

 

[kurtfaulk]

If you think Goff or any QB is going to have a 100 QB rating every year you are not living in reality.

They're living in their reality - if a qb isn't perfect every year he must be shit.

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[fearsomefour]

Seriously?

Yes.
Just a rumor and what exactly that means, I don’t know.

 

[OldSchool]

 

[1maGoh]

Stats, Shats.

A QB doesn't go from two straight 100 QB rating, top offense in the NFL to forgetting how to throw a football or suddenly becoming inaccurate.

Watch the dang games. We CANNOT run the football. Noteboom, Allen and Blythe could not move people. Whitworth is declining and Havenstein is currently hurt.

We are playing 3 first year players, Blythe and a declining Whitworth.

I looked at 3 NFL sites today and all had the Rams O-line in the bottom 5 in the NFL. Advanced stats that look at the run blocking as well.

If we cannot run our play action pass when the run isn't drawing defenders up.

It's not a hard concept to follow especially when you watch the actual games.

Does it matter if its one of the greatest QB's in history? The point is he said " a QB forget to throw for 2 100 qbr seasons" IDK you tell me? Did Manning forget how to do that? Did any other QB in history that didn't make a 100 plus QB rating forget? The answer is no, so the point is irrelevant.

So, he said that a QB doesn't just forget how to do it. And you just said a QB doesn't forget how to do it. I think, not being facetious or trying to be an asshole, that means we're all in agreement. A QB doesn't just forget how to be good.

 

[Ellard80]

Brady struggling this year... bad OL and shit recievers.

I like it.

 

[Ramlock]

Yes.
Just a rumor and what exactly that means, I don’t know.

I’m very skeptical of the rumor

 

[fearsomefour]

I’m very skeptical of the rumor

I have now way of knowing or particularly caring as long as his performance isn’t affected.
This person is usually reasonably accurate though.
At any rate, that’s his personal business whether true or not.

 

[Zaphod]

Brady struggling this year... bad OL and shit recievers.

I like it.

Watching that game against the Texans was like drinking a frosted mug of fermented Brady tears.

In fact, I don’t know how that is not yet on the label of a microbrew bottle, but if I ever should start making my own stouts again, I may print some bottle labels to that effect.