49ers vs Rams Vent Thread

[payote75]

Dude I completely agree with you, but if that's the case and Goff does have these issues then why pay him the huge contract if you're not 100% sure yet? The o-line is the root cause of our issues, but your franchise QB needs to help alleviate some of those issues with his playmaking ability, and that has not happened.

Honestly to me it's more of an organizational failure that falls on Snead and McVay. 3 complete years of data, 2 with McVay, show that Goff is bottom 25% league when throwing under pressure. Why in the world would you let Saffold walk? Why in the world would you not use a high pick on OL? Why has it been 6 weeks and Les still hasn't traded away picks/players for an stud OL? This o-line risk we took was incredibly stupid because Goff's good years he's had protection and a great running game. How do you protect and have a consistent running game with a shitty o-line? Such a stupid move by us.

I definitely 1 million percent agree on the orginization all failure to see this coming and not that it's here to install a game plane that plays to goffs skills. What you said about goff I can't just put it on him he is a pocket passer with decent mobility but he needs a clean pocket. I actually think he has done pretty well juking spinning and running for his life after all these pressures and hits he's been taking. He isn't Russell Wilson so the Rams new this should never ever cut corners on the line.

As far the the orginization I was just about to post that myself love Snead Mcvey and what they have done for this franchise an for us as fans but even nobodies like us in this forum know that the online is one place that you just don't skim from especially when you have very good players at most positions. It's not the spot to bargain shop. Your not only going to ruin goff but I'd much prefer with the talent we have that we go into shootouts with goff being very well protected and letting him continue to develop. What they done now is retarded his progress.

I'm actually shocked that they went this route the offensive line is the gas that makes the car run you don't use cheap gas on a high performance car. Like I'd rather have rookie corners this season and have invested into our line. Now we have a Ferrari for an offense with no gas.

 

[Mackeyser]

Yeah, I'd rather win 54-51 than lose 20-7.

I know they thought they were addressing the D, but too much change too fast on the OL is rarely a good thing.

 

[payote75]

Yeah, I'd rather win 54-51 than lose 20-7.

I know they thought they were addressing the D, but too much change too fast on the OL is rarely a good thing.

Exactly man especially with a developing qb who is right at those proverbial crossroads and again the strength is the offense I said it in the other post the offense is a Ferrari with no gas the gas of course being the offensive line. What concerns me most is goff not only the investment but his career path.

 

[Oregonram]

Is it possible that Fisher was a better judge of talent in his drafts? Or is it because we haven’t had a first round pick in 3 years.? But most of the best talent on this team was drafted by the stache regime.

 

[SoCalRam78]

Rams being mediocre comes as zero surprise to me. League began to figure us out towards the end of last year then obviously the super bowl. They shoe horned in a couple unproven offensive lineman, let go of a very good one and expected everything to be okay. Lot of older type players on defense. Rams traded valuable picks for vets to give it a shot. It worked when they got to the super bowl. Now the bill is due. Add in the gurley bs and the super bowl hangover, and I thought this team could miss the playoffs. Now it looks like reality.

 

[Steve808]

Yeah, I'd rather win 54-51 than lose 20-7.

I know they thought they were addressing the D, but too much change too fast on the OL is rarely a good thing.

The sick part is that the whiners tried to give the game away. Littleton dropped a pick 6 when the score was tied 7-7 and then down 20-7, Jimmy Grabmypole fumbled but we did nothing with the gift.

It sucks that we lost today. I'm hoping McVay will figure out how to get the most out of the players we have and still make a playoff run. The offense may have to run quicker developing plays and more running the ball. Henderson looked good although his fumble to start the second half is what turned the game in the whiner's favor.

 

[Ram77]

Our o line has been horrible, but guess what he's missing touchdowns every single week!! And not tight window throws you would expect the 1st overall pick to make, I'm talking about wide open, no defender for 10 yards and he either reads it late or he's inaccurate type throws.

How about you MAKE those throws to help out your shitty offensive line. How about after you make a good move in the pocket to avoid a rusher, you make an accurate throw and not bury it at the WRs feet!! This is the highest paid QB in the NFL is that too much to ask?

There was a 1st down play today where McVay called a play-action pass, their defense was in nickel and only had 5 people on the line of scrimmage. We were in 12 personnel, and they had 5 people in the box, and we didnt run the ball. Goff walked up to the line, peered out at the defense, and said yea lets throw into this look. THAT IS A HUGE ISSUE, either McVay doesn't give him full control at the line which is an issue. Or, Goff trusts McVay soooooooo much because he's a "genius," that he thinks everything called will work regardless of what HE'S SEEING WITH HIS EYES. I just dont understand some of his reads in the passing game or what the fuck he's looking at. Peyton and Tom win on so many downs because of what they do pre-snap. I feel like McVay and his offensive stranglehold has really stunted Goff's growth in terms of reading defenses, and this is why the System QB narrative started.

He doesn't do enough when things break down, he doesn't do enough under turmoil. He doesn't SHOW ANY FUCKING PASSION and Im sick of that. He's playing like one of the worst QBs in the league, got his shit pushed in all SB long, and has the same nonchalant, indifferent attitude. I've played D1 sports and have friends in MLB, and I have NEVER in my life seen an elite player with that type of attitude. The best players let failure fuel them and respond like winners, and Goff just isn't wired like that.

Terrible take. Goff made some great throws last week at Seattle. Our kicker missed it. This week he had like 1 second to throw the ball on 75% of his dropbacks. Easy to blame our QB. He will play better against the Falcons and Bengals the next 2 weeks. Dont lose faith in these guys.

 

[lordbannon]

All right, time to vent. I haven't brought myself to read any other vents yet, so I may be redundant.

For the first time, we were thoroughly outcoached. I don't know if McVay wanted to prove he was smarter than Shanahan, and thus proceeded to do the repeatedly do the dumbest thing, or if it was something else.....but yeah.

After we came out and punched them in the teeth early, did we do anything to build off of that? They came out overaggressive on the D-Line, and we made them pay. Did we build any play action off of it? Take any deep shots when they stopped working so fast up field? Change up the run game? Nope. all the talk has been Goff throwing too much, so we throw something like 7 times in the first half, all essentially dump offs. Can't get into a rhythm that way.

Get down to the goal line again on Henderson's drive. It was what? Second and goal from the 4. Run to the 1. Great. What have we not done well at all the past couple seasons? Run the ball up the middle for 1 or 2 when we need it. What do we do? Run the ball up the middle two plays in a row. And not even out of standard formations. We do it with Malcolm Brown lined up close to the line so he can't even get up any momentum before getting smothered. (We'll repeat this with Henderson a couple drives later *short ANOTHER interior lineman*, so the error is tripled down on.

Open up the second half with a toss to Henderson. I don't mind the idea, but that right there was a back breaker.

After that, the floodgates open. Run for 0 Run for 0, now throw. Sack, run for 0 run for 0. Sack run for 0, desperation throw.

We get the ball with good field position, get a nifty end around to Cooks, setting up 2nd and 1. Bonus, Richard Sherman hurts his arm and goes off. Giving us 2nd and 1 with two of their starting corners out. Seems like a great time for play action. Or to go back to the counters we had going earlier. Or hell, another jet sweep. Instead? Short pass. Penalty. Short pass. Short pass. Turnover on downs.

Then, once the game is pretty much over, we start actually passing to the 5-10 yard range where receivers are running free. After it makes no sense to do so, since we have.....3 minutes left down by 2 scores. And then. FINALLY....on 4th and 6....we decide to go deep?

Between the terrible game calling, the terrible announcing, the terrible stats of it being against the damned 9ers, Sunday Ticket online constantly freezing, and the terrible cuts to 49er's defensive coordinator Mr "I really wanted to be a professional wrestler but was TOO animated"....yeah, I needed to vent...

 

[TexasRam]

Noteboom going out early in this game was the end of the game.

Goff has been throwing for 400 and 500 yards with this Oline because they can pass protect.

Unfortunately our backup is Demby and with Gurley out as a top pass blocking back the game was over. Everything had to be quick passes and the Niners knew it.

The good news is at full power we would have beat their ass and our defense played better.

 

[den-the-coach]

Brain Allen had a horrendous game and the only good block he had was pushing a guy into Noteboom that most likely looses Boom for the year.

If Demby is playing LG going forward the Rams are in serious trouble as the only hope is for Edwards to come in and show something moving forward.

Have to question the talent evaluation up front, if Kromer said he needed more and they did not give it to him, then invest the capital into improving this unit next season because without a good cohesive Offensive Line the offense is bad.

Tired of the defense playing off the WR's if Phillips retires, I might take a run at Rex Ryan. Granted he's a tad over the top, but his defenses as DC were amazing.

 

[bubbaramfan]

Its clear Kromer and McVay have to overhaul the OL. Whitworth is a shell of his younger self, Noteboom is clearly a T, not a G. Allen and Blythe are undersized and are more suited to a backup role. Havenstien is slow and plodding and spent the off season playing video games instead of trying to get better, his play has been very disappointing. There is no power in this OL. Watching this OL get manhandled play after play is sickening.

Kromer keeps running out Demby as first man up. Does that mean Edwards, Evans, Brewer and the new guy are worse than Demby? How do we know? They seem afraid to put any of the other OL bench out there. If they are all worse than Demby its going to take years to overhaul this pathetic OL.

 

[LesBaker]

Have to question the talent evaluation up front, if Kromer said he needed more and they did not give it to him, then invest the capital into improving this unit next season because without a good cohesive Offensive Line the offense is bad.

One thing for sure..........there are no teams with pool OL play that make any noise in the playoffs and most of the time don't even make the playoffs.

They have to get things smoothed out, even if it means keeping a TE and RB in to block on every pass play called.

 

[fearsomefour]

Its clear Kromer and McVay have to overhaul the OL. Whitworth is a shell of his younger self, Noteboom is clearly a T, not a G. Allen and Blythe are undersized and are more suited to a backup role. Havenstien is slow and plodding and spent the off season playing video games instead of trying to get better, his play has been very disappointing. There is no power in this OL. Watching this OL get manhandled play after play is sickening.

Kromer keeps running out Demby as first man up. Does that mean Edwards, Evans, Brewer and the new guy are worse than Demby? How do we know? They seem afraid to put any of the other OL bench out there. If they are all worse than Demby its going to take years to overhaul this pathetic OL.

It means Edwards is T depth.
They aren’t playing Edwards because if he went down they have no T depth available.
As a reminder, Edwards was bad during preseason as well.

 

[FrantikRam]

I know people will want to talk about letting Saffold walk, and that's definitely part of it.

But last year we had arguably the best set of tackles in the NFL, and this year we have one of the worst - and those dudes are the same.

Sure, Allen may not have played great, but Sullivan was awful last year. Noteboom has been okay, but worse than Saffold.

The real regression has been from the tackles IMO.

There's no way that we would have cut him, but man this OL would be better had Whitworth retired and we used that money to re-sign Saffold.

 

[fearsomefour]

The good news is there are usually serviceable inexpensive OL available in FA.
The catch is they are older and on the downside.
Incognito and Penn for example.
Serviceable and getting about $1M per.
If the Rams wanted to spend a little more (doubtful) Spain from Buffalo could be a target for a G spot.

 

[fearsomefour]

I know people will want to talk about letting Saffold walk, and that's definitely part of it.

But last year we had arguably the best set of tackles in the NFL, and this year we have one of the worst - and those dudes are the same.

Sure, Allen may not have played great, but Sullivan was awful last year. Noteboom has been okay, but worse than Saffold.

The real regression has been from the tackles IMO.

There's no way that we would have cut him, but man this OL would be better had Whitworth retired and we used that money to re-sign Saffold.

Hav was great at run blocking but never an elite pass blocker against speed rushers IMO.
The big difference there is Goff could usually step up last year.

 

[iamme33]

I could be wrong but it seems to me that when players get big guaranteed contracts they inevitably get worse. the only one I can think of not getting worse is Donald last year. thoughts???

 

[MarkyMark]

O-line is really bad

Should've NEVER let Saffold go, and can someone give Sully a call please.

 

[thirteen28]

Is it possible that Fisher was a better judge of talent in his drafts? Or is it because we haven’t had a first round pick in 3 years.? But most of the best talent on this team was drafted by the stache regime.

No. Just no.

Fisher was a decent judge of *defensive* talent, but I haven't really seen a drop off since his firing. We did draft Rapp, found Littleton as a UDFA, and have made other decent D pickups as well.

As a judge of offensive talent, Fisher was gawd-awful. Brian Quick over Alshon Jeffrey? The latter may not be a perennial all pro, but the former isn't even starter quality despite being athletically gifted. Fisher would have never taken a guy like Cooper Kupp, who is not the most athletically gifted but is incredibly smart and just an all around good football player - and a guy who has played significantly above his draft position.

 

[Raptorman]

I said it last year. I said it a couple of weeks ago. The Rams were coming for a downfall. (as were the Chiefs) You can't always depend on Goff to bail out the team. The defense played up to pretty good standards. The offense, not so much. The question is. What happens next week? The O-line is the key. Can they make holes for someone not named Gurly to run the ball? Can they pass protect? Sometimes you just run into a team/game that just doesn't go your way.

See what happens next week before you start calling for people to lose their heads.