4 game in and Mahomes is already getting undue hype

[jacktheripper85]

His ability to make plays off sched is profound and I give him all manner of credit for what he's doing. Playing for a guy like Reid is huge, too.

But at this level you see it over and over and over, where a team milks production from QBs who can threaten the edge and move the chains with their legs, and they start hot and get all manner of hype but cannot stand the test of time. Going way back too, to guys like Randall Cunningham, who famously got insane hype and even had that SI cover with all the "ultimate weapon" nonsense. RG3 was a "redefining" guy too, I mean the media simply loves any QB who can make off sched plays.

My question is how many QBs who don't have primary pocket production have demonstrated they can stand the test of time in this league? When you have DEs who can run mid four second 40s, and defenses getting free shots at your legs and body as the team milks your running ability, I think it's really hard for these types to endure long careers and achieve high levels of consistent excellence.

Again, Mahomes is a fantastic young QB. Dude impressed the hell out of me with that last game. But looking long term, how far can he take things with that play style? The last scrambling QB I can remember playing good ball until he was long in the tooth was Steve Young. But then again if you were to chart his off sched runs I suspect he ran a lot less than some of the other guys and had good pocket protections.

All you need to look at is last year. Reading all these media pundits comments you could replace Mahome’s name with Wentz’s because it’s exactly the same narrative we heard last year about him. It seems like if you’re a rookie QB and escape a sack, roll out and complete a pass you’re headed to Canton. Not saying the kid doesn’t have ability but to your point- once defenses have some film on him and start taking their shots at him lets see his staying power.

 

[shaunpinney]

He's just a Scheme QB at the end of the day. Reid can scheme a good O around the QB and doesn't try and squeeze a player into an uncomfortable playing style.

 

[DVontel]

His ability to make plays off sched is profound and I give him all manner of credit for what he's doing. Playing for a guy like Reid is huge, too.

But at this level you see it over and over and over, where a team milks production from QBs who can threaten the edge and move the chains with their legs, and they start hot and get all manner of hype but cannot stand the test of time. Going way back too, to guys like Randall Cunningham, who famously got insane hype and even had that SI cover with all the "ultimate weapon" nonsense. RG3 was a "redefining" guy too, I mean the media simply loves any QB who can make off sched plays.

My question is how many QBs who don't have primary pocket production have demonstrated they can stand the test of time in this league? When you have DEs who can run mid four second 40s, and defenses getting free shots at your legs and body as the team milks your running ability, I think it's really hard for these types to endure long careers and achieve high levels of consistent excellence.

Again, Mahomes is a fantastic young QB. Dude impressed the hell out of me with that last game. But looking long term, how far can he take things with that play style? The last scrambling QB I can remember playing good ball until he was long in the tooth was Steve Young. But then again if you were to chart his off sched runs I suspect he ran a lot less than some of the other guys and had good pocket protections.

Is he really a scrambling QB(Vick) or a QB with good mobility(Rodgers)?

 

[Merlin]

Is he really a scrambling QB(Vick) or a QB with good mobility(Rodgers)?

I think he's good enough to be a primary pocket guy and have a long career. But that to a large extent comes down to how Reid utilizes him and whether the OL holds up. We'll see, but for now I think he's a hell of a young QB.

 

[LesBaker]

It seems like if you’re a rookie QB and escape a sack, roll out and complete a pass you’re headed to Canton.

LOL that was a great line!!!

@DVontel and @Merlin he is running the ball 4-5 times a game. 18 carries in 4 games. For comparisons Newton has 28 carries, Rodgers has 11.

 

[Rmfnlt]

TNTR (Too New To Rate)

 

[Mojo Ram]

The last scrambling QB I can remember playing good ball until he was long in the tooth was Steve Young.

Still the best dual threat QB i've ever seen play the game in a long line of QB's(mostly in the last 10 years or so) that were anointed that label and simply weren't anywhere near Young in terms of a passer.

 

[Merlin]

The one thing that will remain a universal truth wrt to all this is that a ball moves faster in the air than with anyone carrying it. So from the design and team building perspective, all IMO of course, what is best is to have a QB who for the most part is protected by the pocket and all the rules that come with it, and an offensive mind scheming things up to account for outlets vice making the QB run off sched. If the QB is wired right mentally that type approach has a good chance to net you a decade or more of excellence and production at the position.

Given all that, having a QB who can scramble around a bit to buy time to throw the ball down field is fine. And what I mean by that, the best example is John Elway who would do just that to go with his cannon of an arm. I'd definitely give Mahomes some homework that consists of Elway footage, and try to make sure he understands the importance of avoiding contact as much as possible over time.

 

[BunzOfAnarchy]

His ability to make plays off sched is profound and I give him all manner of credit for what he's doing. Playing for a guy like Reid is huge, too.

But at this level you see it over and over and over, where a team milks production from QBs who can threaten the edge and move the chains with their legs, and they start hot and get all manner of hype but cannot stand the test of time. Going way back too, to guys like Randall Cunningham, who famously got insane hype and even had that SI cover with all the "ultimate weapon" nonsense. RG3 was a "redefining" guy too, I mean the media simply loves any QB who can make off sched plays.

My question is how many QBs who don't have primary pocket production have demonstrated they can stand the test of time in this league? When you have DEs who can run mid four second 40s, and defenses getting free shots at your legs and body as the team milks your running ability, I think it's really hard for these types to endure long careers and achieve high levels of consistent excellence.

Again, Mahomes is a fantastic young QB. Dude impressed the hell out of me with that last game. But looking long term, how far can he take things with that play style? The last scrambling QB I can remember playing good ball until he was long in the tooth was Steve Young. But then again if you were to chart his off sched runs I suspect he ran a lot less than some of the other guys and had good pocket protections.

Colin Kaepernick fits that mold too. Ron Jaworski thought he could become the greatest QB of all time and I myself ranked him the best QB in the NFL after his first year playing. Whoops!

Steve Young was an incredible runner, in my opinion on par with Cunningham or Vick, but he also transitioned into more of a pass-first player and retired with the highest career passer rating all time. The Catch II was a straight dropback (with a slight stumble), plant and throw. Of course, that was to beat Favre, who gave the 90's 49ers fits. Now here comes Mahomes, the new gunslinger. (Side note: Josh Allen actually has the stronger arm. Higher velocity at the combine and threw it 80 yards on camera.) Like Favre, Mahomes scrambles around to buy time to throw, rather than to run it himself. I think he's great, but he's in no way a unique or unprecedented talent. And he certainly doesn't have Goff's accuracy or touch.

In the end, there's lots of things people will cite for or against one guy or the other. I prefer Goff because I've seen too much from that arm and I know what it's capable of. But I've also seen enough of both guys to say the regular season is not how these guys are ultimately gonna be judged.

 

[Adi]

Cant hate on mahomes , hes played great so far but according to the media DeSean Watson was going to be the MVP this year.

Defneisve coordinators will find the weakness is mahomes eventually and expose it . Where is the system qb analyst when it comes to Mahomes ? He has a great offensive coach , great weapons, a solid running game .BUT NO jared is a system qb and Mahomes is a "rare" talent .

 

[Merlin]

Cant hate on mahomes , hes played great so far but according to the media DeSean Watson was going to be the MVP this year.

Yeah and Watson was the guy last year with the staff milking his off sched ability to win as many games as possible. I think the prob with those types of QBs is that the coaches know they need to win games to keep their jobs and so they might not always make the pocket development a huge priority early on, which is a mistake.

Mahomes has a lot of Elway in him though, to my eye at least. Which is a great start. Use your legs to buy time to throw, but get rid of it before contact whenever possible. That's the right recipe for guys who have that mobility package.

 

[Rmfnlt]

Brock Osweiller Destined To Be In The NFL Hall Of Fame
by: Rmfn, BSPN pseudo-writer

October 4, 2018

It's easy to find the truly outstanding quarterbacks in the NFL right now. Names like Goff, Mahomes, Wentz, Brady and Rodgers come quickly to mind.

But it takes a very savvy writer, who doesn't know much about football but does know about click-bait, to give you the one name that will eclipse all of these others and ascend into the Hall of Fame:

Brock Osweiller.

Who stands tall above all these names with a a QB rating of 135.4? You guessed it - Brock Osweiller.

Better than Goff. Better than Mahomes. Better than Brees. Better than Brady. Better than all of them.

You might think this prediction is far to early to make. But, facts are facts and it takes a visionary (pronounced troll) to see into the future.

Others have failed at this and proclaimed players as the future of the NFL. Names like:
Robert Griffin III
Ryan Leaf
JaMarcus Russell
Vince Young
Matt Lienart
Duante Culpepper
Jake Locker

And so many more.

But Brock Osweiller? I can see it. He is now seasoned and ready to take that next step toward elite!

So, while others write of the not-earned-star-career of Patrick Mahomes, I remind our readers of the myriad of articles written by hordes of click-baiters such as myself about the "sure fire" stardom of the men named above.

The difference? There really isn't any... thanks for clicking on my article. I thank you. My boss thanks you. And BSPN thanks you!

 

[Ramlock]

Cant hate on mahomes , hes played great so far but according to the media DeSean Watson was going to be the MVP this year.

Defneisve coordinators will find the weakness is mahomes eventually and expose it . Where is the system qb analyst when it comes to Mahomes ? He has a great offensive coach , great weapons, a solid running game .BUT NO jared is a system qb and Mahomes is a "rare" talent .

I’m a hater