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Clive Cussler. He…was probably one of my least favorites.

If you like fantasy, though (particularly dark fantasy), my writing falls under that category…even though I haven’t put it out yet. :(
I have read some of yours. And I enjoyed it. I only got thru 10 pages or so iirc but I have lost where it was

Edit - and damn it - you need to finish it - stop making me wait so long

And as to Clive Cussler - he was just a fun easy reading writer. I enjoy that due to all the stress from my job that I can read a simple fun book. Plus his history information although fictional was very fun to read even though I know it did not happen that way.

I also like Tom Clancy a lot

Red Storm Rising would be an awesome movie.
 

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You can't have a Fred Gwynne post without his most famous line

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Before he was Herman Munster or the judge on my cousin Vinny…

He played “the Stomach” in an episode of one of my all time favorites—The Phil Silvers Show (AKA SGT. Bilko). It was one of my favorite episodes.

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The best line was from the sarge himself when Gwynne’s character sat down to enjoy a steak,
“Stand back! You want to get eaten!” He warned his platoon.
 

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Never say never with these teams doing dumb things, but I dont see how the Cards could possibly trade Kyler
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I have read some of yours. And I enjoyed it. I only got thru 10 pages or so iirc but I have lost where it was

Edit - and damn it - you need to finish it - stop making me wait so long

And as to Clive Cussler - he was just a fun easy reading writer. I enjoy that due to all the stress from my job that I can read a simple fun book. Plus his history information although fictional was very fun to read even though I know it did not happen that way.

I also like Tom Clancy a lot

Red Storm Rising would be an awesome movie.

Didn’t like Cussler because he was completely incompetent with characters. Dirk Pitt was as Gary-Stuish as it could possibly get, his male characters were either best buds with Dirk or they weren’t and horrible things always happened to them, he had zero idea how to write female characters (who were all hysterical and all wanted to have sex with Dirk Pitt immediately after meeting him, it seemed like), all of his villains had absolutely no nuances to them (i.e., all were card-carrying villains who were rich and owned giant corporations), and the ways Dirk escaped death were constant Deus Ex Machinas - in short, lazy writing with no sense of reality behind them.

I won’t say that I’m glad he’s dead, but I am glad that there aren’t any more shitty bestsellers of his flooding the market. Twilight, 50 Shades of Grey, and After are bad enough.
 

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Didn’t like Cussler because he was completely incompetent with characters. Dirk Pitt was as Gary-Stuish as it could possibly get, his male characters were either best buds with Dirk or they weren’t and horrible things always happened to them, he had zero idea how to write female characters (who were all hysterical and all wanted to have sex with Dirk Pitt immediately after meeting him, it seemed like), all of his villains had absolutely no nuances to them (i.e., all were card-carrying villains who were rich and owned giant corporations), and the ways Dirk escaped death were constant Deus Ex Machinas - in short, lazy writing with no sense of reality behind them.

I won’t say that I’m glad he’s dead, but I am glad that there aren’t any more shitty bestsellers of his flooding the market. Twilight, 50 Shades of Grey, and After are bad enough.
Just how many books of his did you read?

Again I just read them for the fun of it.

I know his books were completely unrealistic and completely predictable but they were a fun read as long as you ignore the things you said above.
 

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Just how many books of his did you read?

Again I just read them for the fun of it.

I know his books were completely unrealistic and completely predictable but they were a fun read as long as you ignore the things you said above.

I read damn near all of his books in middle/high school. My parents had a lot of his books. Raise the Titanic was probably the first one I read, and I had issues with Dirk Pitt criticizing a politician for disagreeing with him, later sleeping with said politician’s wife, and telling him to move on (instead of Cussler treating his precious Stu like, hey, that’s actually pretty wrong of Dirk to do) - oh, and the politician went batshit insane from stress, to boot.

Sorry for the rant, Tano. I’m just passionate about things like writing, and Clive Cussler was a bit of a sore spot.
 

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I read damn near all of his books in middle/high school. My parents had a lot of his books. Raise the Titanic was probably the first one I read, and I had issues with Dirk Pitt criticizing a politician for disagreeing with him, later sleeping with said politician’s wife, and telling him to move on (instead of Cussler treating his precious Stu like, hey, that’s actually pretty wrong of Dirk to do) - oh, and the politician went batshit insane from stress, to boot.

Sorry for the rant, Tano. I’m just passionate about things like writing, and Clive Cussler was a bit of a sore spot.
Okay I don't understand why you read almost all his books when you hated them so much is what I can't understand

I don't read Stephen King because I just find the start of each book so fricken boring - just not my style
 

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Fifth-year option tracker for NFL players drafted in 2020 first round​


Now that the 2023 NFL draft is over, the deadline for NFL teams to pick up fifth-year options on rookie contracts for 2020 first-round draft picks is here.

Three 2020 first-round draft picks are no longer in the NFL and are not eligible: No. 12 Henry Ruggs III, No. 19 Damon Arnette and No. 29 Isaiah Wilson. The No. 31 overall pick, Jeff Gladney, died in a car accident last May.

Below, we are tracking all of the picked up and declined options for the 2020 class.


What is a fifth-year option?​

According to OverTheCap.com, the 2020 collective bargaining agreement allows for teams to exercise a fifth-year option for players drafted in the first round as an addition to the standard four-year rookie contract. Upon being exercised, the fifth-year option is fully guaranteed, and any base salary in the player's fourth year that was not fully guaranteed will become so. The fifth-year salary is calculated based on four tiers: Basic, playtime, one Pro Bowl, multiple Pro Bowls.



The 2020 first-round class​

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No. 1 overall pick: Joe Burrow, QB, Cincinnati Bengals

The Bengals picked up the option for 2020's No. 1 overall pick -- no surprise there as he has led the team to Super Bowl LVI and the AFC Championship Game in back-to-back seasons.


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No. 2: Chase Young, DE, Washington Commodes

The Commodes won't pick up the fifth-year option on Young, making him a possible free agent after this season.


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No. 3: Jeff Okudah, CB, Atlanta Falcons

The No. 3 overall pick in 2020 is not eligible for a fifth-year option after being traded to the Falcons from the Detroit Lions last month and having his contract restructured, according to ESPN's Michael Rothstein.


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No. 4: Andrew Thomas, OT, New York Giants

The Giants picked up the fifth-year option on the left tackle. Thomas has developed into one of the NFL's best left tackles and is now under contract for 2024 at $14.175 million.


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No. 5: Tua Tagovailoa, QB, Miami Dolphins

The Dolphins announced in March that they would pick up Tagovailoa's option after the QB suffered multiple concussions in 2022. The No. 5 pick in 2020 enters the fourth year of his rookie contract in 2023 and stands to make a fully guaranteed $23.4 million in 2024.


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No. 6: Justin Herbert, QB, Los Angeles Chargers

The Chargers have exercised the fifth-year option on Herbert's contract. The sixth-overall pick in 2020, Herbert is scheduled to earn $4.23 million and $29.5 million in the final two seasons of his rookie deal.


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No. 7: Derrick Brown, DT, Carolina Panthers

The No. 7 overall pick in 2020 had his fifth-year option picked up by the Panthers on Monday.


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No. 8: Isaiah Simmons, ILB, Arizona Cardinals

The Cardinals did not pick up Simmons' fifth-year option, coach Jonathan Gannon said Tuesday, adding that the decision won't affect how the Cardinals handle or approach the versatile defensive player.


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No. 9: CJ Henderson, CB, Carolina Panthers

Carolina has declined Henderson's fifth-year option. Henderson was drafted No. 9 overall by the Jaguars in 2020 and traded to the Panthers in 2021.


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No. 10: Jedrick Wills Jr., OT, Cleveland Browns

According to ESPN's Jeremy Fowler, the Browns are picking up the fifth-year option on Wills. This guarantees a salary of $14.175 million for 2024 for the former No. 10 overall pick.


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No. 11: Mekhi Becton, OL, New York Jets

Becton's fifth-year option has been declined by the Jets, according to ESPN's Dianna Russini.


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No. 13: Tristan Wirfs, OT, Tampa Bay Buccaneers

The Buccaneers announced that they have picked up the fifth-year option on Wirfs' rookie contract.


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No. 14: Javon Kinlaw, DT, San Francisco 49ers

The 49ers will not pick up Kinlaw's option. The 2020 No. 14 overall pick has struggled to stay healthy and produce on the defensive line.


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No. 15: Jerry Jeudy, WR, Denver Broncos

Broncos will exercise Jeudy's option; he will now earn $12.98 million in 2024, which will be the fifth, and final, year of his rookie deal.


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No. 16: A.J. Terrell, CB, Atlanta Falcons

The Falcons announce they picked up the option for Terrell over the weekend. The Falcons will owe the former No. 16 pick $12.34 million in 2024.


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No. 17: CeeDee Lamb, WR, Dallas Cowboys

The Cowboys picked up Lamb's option in April, locking him, their first-round pick in 2020, into a salary of $17.99 million in 2024.


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No. 18: Austin Jackson, OT, Miami Dolphins

The Dolphins are declining Jackson's fifth-year option, a source told ESPN's Jeremy Fowler. Jackson has played in 32 games over the past three years, including 30 starts. However, ankle injuries limited him to just two games last season. GM Chris Grier said the team expects Jackson to start at right tackle again in 2023.


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No. 20: K'Lavon Chaisson, LB, Jacksonville Jaguars

The Jaguars declined to pick up Chaisson's fifth-year option, ESPN's Michael DiRocco confirms.


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No. 21: Jalen Reagor, WR, Minnesota Vikings

The Vikings have declined Reagor's fifth-year option. The Eagles drafted Reagor and traded him to the Vikings last August.


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No. 22: Justin Jefferson, WR, Minnesota Vikings

The Vikings are exercising the fifth-year option of their All-Pro receiver. The fifth-year option is worth $19.743 million.


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No. 23: Kenneth Murray Jr., ILB, Los Angeles Chargers

Chargers GM Tom Telesco said last week that they will not exercise Murray's fifth-year option.


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No. 24: Cesar Ruiz, C, New Orleans Saints

According to ESPN's Jeremey Fowler, the Saints are declining the fifth-year option for the 2020 No. 24 overall pick.


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No. 25: Brandon Aiyuk, WR, San Francisco 49ers

The 49ers picked up Aiyuk's option, and if he doesn't sign a contract extension before the 2024 season, he would be due $14.12 million that year.



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No. 26: Jordan Love, QB, Green Bay Packers

The Packers had an interesting decision with Love. Were they going to pick up the option on an unproven player? Well, yes and no. The two sides on Tuesday agreed to a one-year contract extension worth up to $22.5 million (including $13.5 million fully guaranteed), a source told ESPN's Adam Schefter. The agreement was reached just hours before Tuesday's fifth-year option deadline. If the Packers had picked up the fifth-year option on Love, they would have owed him more in guaranteed money in 2024.


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No. 27: Jordyn Brooks, ILB, Seattle Seahawks

The Seahawks are declining their fifth-year option on the starting inside linebacker, a source told ESPN's Jeremy Fowler.



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No. 28: Patrick Queen, OLB, Baltimore Ravens

The Ravens have declined to pick up Queen's fifth-year option, a source told ESPN's Jamison Hensley.


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No. 30: Noah Igbinoghene, CB, Miami Dolphins

The Dolphins are declining the fifth-year option for Igbinoghene, a source told ESPN's Jeremy Fowler. Igbinoghene has struggled to get on the field during his three NFL seasons, playing just 16 games of the past two seasons.


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No. 32: Clyde Edwards-Helaire, RB, Kansas City Chiefs

The Chiefs have declined the fifth-year option for Edwards-Helaire. Injuries have interrupted each of his three NFL seasons.
 

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15 teams declining the fifth year option from that 2020 first round class. That is counting Okudah among them, since his almost surely would not have been picked up (traded).
 

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Okay I don't understand why you read almost all his books when you hated them so much is what I can't understand

I don't read Stephen King because I just find the start of each book so fricken boring - just not my style

Because I was a completely different person back then.
 

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You and I have completely different perspectives on some issues but I still like you :)

Same here, Tano. I may argue about a lot, but I love all y’all.
 

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There were a lot of authors churning out stories of manly fantasy in those eras of the 60s and 70s. Look at James Bond.

Books like that existed for women too. The ones with bare chested studs with long hair on the cover. It is a business after all that sells escape from our mundane lives.
 

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15 teams declining the fifth year option from that 2020 first round class. That is counting Okudah among them, since his almost surely would not have been picked up (traded).
That seems high/bad to me. Not sure what a normal year is.
 

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Yeah I have no idea what is normal with the declined 5th year rates either. But it does line up with the thought that just under 50% of first round picks bust. Going off memory I think it was somewhere mid-50s for hit rate on those picks.

I'm sure there's some years better than others too. It's interesting though for sure.
 

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That seems high/bad to me. Not sure what a normal year is.

they changed the rule this year for the 5th year option. it is now fully guaranteed. it used to only be guaranteed against injury before that.

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