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Steven Nelson was just released by the Steelers. He'd make a great pick up for us after losing Hill. And, he would not count in comp pick formula due to being cut. Wonder what contract he's looking at. He was the #6 rated coverage CB by PFF, actually ahead of Ramsey surprisingly.
 

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Steven Nelson was just released by the Steelers. He'd make a great pick up for us after losing Hill. And, he would not count in comp pick formula due to being cut. Wonder what contract he's looking at. He was the #6 rated coverage CB by PFF, actually ahead of Ramsey surprisingly.
From what I’m reading it’s because he wants to be paid like Ramsey but is more of a Hill. He’s going to want a payday it sounds like.
 

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Oh damn, didn't realize that. Good luck to him then, unless he goes to the Hags or Whiners, then a pox on him and his family.
 

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This is a follow up to the above comment on the state-of-the-Rams Salary Cap.

Spotrac has not updated and still has the Rams as $5M OVER the cap but it does NOT reflect an Aaron Donald restructure. Donald is listed with a 2021 cap hit of almost $28M.

Over-the-Cap, which previously lacked several restructures, has now updated, including a revised Aaron Donald amount. His 2021 cap hit is now reflected at $14M (all these numbers are rounded to the nearest million).

Simple math ... if the Rams were $5M OVER; and Donald’s restructure created $14M of cap relief (28 down to 14), that would put the Rams at $9M UNDER the cap.

The Over-the-Cap site has the Rams at $10M UNDER right now.

Everything should be viewed with some hesitancy, as information is fluid and slow to come our. There’s also an article from Cameron DaSilva that references a source which puts the Rams at $16M under at the moment but that source can not be accessed for detail like Spotrac and Over-the-Cap.
Ease up on having that much cap space just an fyi


View: https://twitter.com/JourdanRodrigue/status/1374418071457210370
 

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The $17M appears to be bullshit but the OTC number of $10M, which is mostly supported by Spotrac, may be close to accurate.

Remember, Floyd’s contract is very cap-friendly for 2021. Just $5.2M-$5.5M for this season.

Both sites (Spotrac and OTC) reflect Floyd’s numbers. That’s why I like those sites. Have player contract details. Can see where and why they may differ.
 

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The $17M appears to be bullshit but the OTC number of $10M, which is mostly supported by Spotrac, may be close to accurate.

Remember, Floyd’s contract is very cap-friendly for 2021. Just $5.2M-$5.5M for this season.

Both sites (Spotrac and OTC) reflect Floyd’s numbers. That’s why I like those sites. Have player contract details. Can see where and why they may differ.
$10 million is closer but even that is before Jackson and any top 51 number just subtract another $2 million from because we end up having to count 53 in the end.

Then figure the draft class will eat $2-3 million more of that and we’re very tight on cap space still.
 

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$10 million is closer but even that is before Jackson and any top 51 number just subtract another $2 million from because we end up having to count 53 in the end.
I agree on Jackson but thought the number did reflect the top-51 contracts. Why do you think otherwise?

I never thought the $17M was legit. Only mentioned it because it’s out there.

As of this morning, Spotrac and OTC were separated by $15M (Spotrac 5 over; and OTC 10 under) but Spotrac did not reflect the Donald restructure which looks like it was $14M.
 

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I just double checked both Spotrac and OTC; and each reflect the Rams top-51 contracts but do not reflect DeSean Jackson’s deal.
 

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Why are the details on Jackson so slow to come out??? Makes me wonder if he hasn’t passed a physical or something???
 

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I agree on Jackson but thought the number did reflect the top-51 contracts. Why do you think otherwise?

I never thought the $17M was legit. Only mentioned it because it’s out there.

As of this morning, Spotrac and OTC were separated by $15M (Spotrac 5 over; and OTC 10 under) but Spotrac did not reflect the Donald restructure which looks like it was $14M.
It does reflect top 51. But we'll end up having to reflect top 53 so I try to just do that right now. When the league year starts we have to reflect 53 players not 51 I don't get that it makes no sense just more tricks. So we could go all the way to final cut day counting top 51 and be fine then end up on that day being short because we didn't account for those other 2 contracts.
 

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My Kindle does the same thing. Some strange typos come up. I'm always going back over what I wrote. IPhone, not so much.
Iphone is worse. I meant to text my wife, "please pick up some milk while you are out" and instead it came out, "you fucking bitch, you ruined my life"
 

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Iphone is worse. I meant to text my wife, "please pick up some milk while you are out" and instead it came out, "you fucking bitch, you ruined my life"
You should stop that voice to text stuff it "misinterprets" all the time :D
 

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It does reflect top 51. But we'll end up having to reflect top 53 so I try to just do that right now. When the league year starts we have to reflect 53 players not 51 I don't get that it makes no sense just more tricks. So we could go all the way to final cut day counting top 51 and be fine then end up on that day being short because we didn't account for those other 2 contracts.
I don’t think that’s correct.

Pretty sure that it’s the top-51 contracts that are applied to the salary cap.

Not the 53 man roster.
 

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I don’t think that’s correct.

Pretty sure that it’s the top-51 contracts that are applied to the salary cap.

Not the 53 man roster.
This explains it better than I am I think. In the end we'll have to count the top 53 that's what will actually be on the roster. In my mind I start now just to try to be more accurate of the final product. Top 51 is the accounting trick right now to make it so the 90 man spring training roster doesn't put teams at like 30 million over the cap. Look at either of the sites spotrac or overthecap they'll have an all figure that's everybody signed. If not for counting the top 51 before rosters are cut down to 53 nobody would be under the cap but I'm not sure why they just don't count top 53 all the time but that's another story. The bolded are from the article not mine btw.


The top-51 rule is simple: from the start of the new NFL league year in early March until the first week of the regular NFL season in September, only the 51 most expensive contracts actually count against a team’s salary cap. This is because the salary cap is designed to accommodate a 53-man regular season roster—not a 90-man offseason roster. Teams need the additional players for training camp and competition purposes, but if all 90 were counted against the salary cap, almost every team would be significantly underwater. For example, the Falcons would currently be at -$8.9M in cap space if all 90 contracts were being counted.

The top-51 contracts are calculated by their salary cap hit, not the total value of the deal or any other measure. These top-51 contracts are also liable to change at any time, and often will change throughout the course of the offseason due to the addition and subtraction of players. However, when adding (or removing) a player from the roster, determining the cap hit becomes a little more complicated than a simple +/- calculation. I’ll use a theoretical example below to demonstrate how this works.

Say the Falcons are feeling aggressive after their recent infusion of cap space, and decide to sign free agent EDGE Everson Griffen to a 1-year deal for $8M. For simplicity’s sake, we’ll say the deal has a cap hit of $8M, with no other machinations.

You might assume that the deal would simply cost $8M in available cap space, right? Instead, the deal actually costs $8M minus the difference of the 51st most expensive contract—which was already counting against the cap. This is because Griffen’s more expensive deal would actually be “pushing down” another contract below the top-51 line, thus freeing up the cap space from that deal. Here’s how it would look mathematically:

Cap space cost of example deal: $8M

Cap space cost of 51st most expensive contract: $750K (Ahmad Thomas)

Actual cap space cost of example deal: $8M-$750K = $7.25M

So, in actuality, an $8M deal for Everson Griffen would only cost the Falcons $7.25M because of the top-51 rule.

Now it’s important to remember that, come the first week of the regular season in September, the team must be able to fit the total cost of the 53-man roster onto the salary cap. Since this would be adding two additional contracts to the roster, it could result in additional salary cap charges. For instance, if the Falcons kept the top 53 most expensive contracts for the regular season, it would cost the team an additional $1.41M to cover the two new contracts (in this example, Jordan Miller at $733K and Olamide Zaccheaus at $676K).

However, depending on who makes the team, Atlanta could reduce this number significantly or even gain cap space by cutting expensive veterans. As the Falcons generally always carry an extra $3-5M into the season for emergency signings, this small amount of cap space is nothing to really worry about.

 

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This explains it better than I am I think. In the end we'll have to count the top 53 that's what will actually be on the roster. In my mind I start now just to try to be more accurate of the final product. Top 51 is the accounting trick right now to make it so the 90 man spring training roster doesn't put teams at like 30 million over the cap. Look at either of the sites spotrac or overthecap they'll have an all figure that's everybody signed. If not for counting the top 51 before rosters are cut down to 53 nobody would be under the cap but I'm not sure why they just don't count top 53 all the time but that's another story. The bolded are from the article not mine btw.




You Bastard! You're giving me homework!!!

OK, I will do it and take the damn exam but I want to be graded-on-a-curve. A very favorable curve.
 

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You Bastard! You're giving me homework!!!

OK, I will do it and take the damn exam but I want to be graded-on-a-curve. A very favorable curve.
It's really nothing to worry about until final roster cuts it's just something I do in my mind now. For some reason they're telling every team not to worry about those other 2 players until September and it's kind of meaningless the way they do it. But eventually you have to count the 53 man active roster that's the number that has to be under the cap.