What we can learn from Case Keenum's star turn and what's next

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If you happened to be watching football with some less enthusiastic football-watching members of your family on Thanksgiving, you probably had to explain who exactly Case Keenum was as the Vikings quarterback sliced up the Lions. Maybe your aunt remembered Keenum from his time in college or your brother-in-law in Los Angeles saw him start a Rams game last season with 35,000 of his friends. Nobody would have looked at the Thanksgiving slate before the season and figured we would be talking about Keenum the following day.




Case Keenum leads Vikings over Lions, solidifying NFC North grip
Case Keenum had one of his better statistical games this season, and the Thanksgiving win in Detroit also qualifies as one of his most complete.
Here we are, though, and it's not to talk about the 29-year-old as a flash in the pan. Keenum has been one of the most efficient and effective quarterbacks in football this season, and though you might expect a player with Keenum's track record to cool off after a few games, he is actually getting hotter. Two weeks ago, the Houston product dominated against Washington before throwing two late picks, which led to speculation that Teddy Bridgewaterwould soon reclaim his starting role. In the two games since, Keenum has thrown for 562 yards and three scores without an interception, good for a 110.0 passer rating and an opponent-adjusted QBR of 89.2.

With every week Keenum continues to play at a high level, it seems more and more likely that the once-undrafted free agent will be able to keep playing this well for the remainder of the season. Keenum has become one of the most fascinating stories of this NFL season, and his performance challenges or clarifies a lot of the theories you'll hear to explain professional football. Even if Keenum does fall back toward the pack and give way to Bridgewater, there's a lot to learn about the football universe from his role on a 9-2 Vikings team.

Let's run through a few of the Keenum arguments here before we take a look at his future, both inside and outside Minnesota.

Coaching matters
It's telling that the two biggest quarterback surprises of the 2017 season were on the same team last season and didn't play very well. Keenum began his 2016 campaign as the starter for the Rams before giving way to first overall pick Jared Goff. Keenum was mediocre, and Goff was worse. The difference in their combined numbers from 2016 to 2017 is truly staggering:

Alex Smith before failing to improve Sam Bradford amid injuries. Cignetti was replaced in 2016 by Rob Boras, the team's tight ends coach, who hadn't called plays since he served as the offensive coordinator for a below-average UNLV offense in 2003. The quarterbacks coach in that two-year stretch was NFL veteran Chris Weinke, who previously worked at the IMG Academy and hadn't coached for a team at the college or professional level.

Things are different this season. Goff's breakout under new coach Sean McVay in Los Angeles is certainly no secret. In Minnesota, though, Keenum has succeeded under offensive coordinator Pat Shurmur, who was overmatched as a head coach in Cleveland. As an offensive mind, however, Shurmur's résumé includes seven years as a quarterbacks coach with Andy Reid in Philadelphia, a promising debut season with Bradford in St. Louis and three years as the coordinator of an above-average offense under Chip Kelly in Philadelphia. Quarterbacks coach Kevin Stefanski, meanwhile, has survived several coaching changes in Minnesota and coached nearly every position on offense for the Vikings over the past five years, which is a tellingly rare recent history for a positional coach.

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Josh McCown, Brian Hoyer, Matt Barkley, Jay Cutler and Mike Glennon, the latter of whom will cost the Bears $18.5 million before he is released. Keenum had relatively similar statistics to those of the better options within that group over the past five seasons, but he just wasn't taken as seriously.

The Vikings benefited, in a way, by keeping their budget low. They didn't spend a ton of money to go after a backup, given Bradford's $18 million cap hit, and the millions of dollars they saved by going after Keenum as opposed to McCown, Cutler or Glennon went elsewhere on their roster. The premiums teams pay for an even lower tier of backup -- guys such as Matt Cassel and Matt Schaub -- are still more than what Minnesota paid for Keenum, and those quarterbacks are hopeless on the field.

General manager Rick Spielman took the more than $23 million the Vikings had on their cap for Adrian Peterson and Matt Kalil last season and applied it to offensive line upgrades. Minnesota signed a pair of new tackles in Riley Reiff and Mike Remmers, who cost $13.6 million on the Vikings' cap this season. Minnesota also finally nailed a midround draft pick by nabbing Ohio State center Pat Elflein, who has started from day one and looks to be the franchise's long-term successor to John Sullivan.

With an offensive line and a pair of blossoming young receivers in Stefon Diggsand Adam Thielen, the Vikings gave Keenum everything he needed to succeed. Look at how quarterbacks such as Derek Carr and Dak Prescott excelled last season in similarly friendly situations before taking a step backward this season as their infrastructure crumbled. Keenum has gone the opposite route.

If you're going to take a flier on a quarterback, don't look for the same sort of prototype you're chasing with the first overall pick
The excitement the Bears -- and others -- had around Glennon was that he looked like the exact sort of quarterback teams hope to grab coming out of the draft: a tall (6-foot-6) pocket passer with "A-plus arm talent." Never mind his below-average accuracy at both the college and professional levels or the middling sack rates he posted with the Buccaneers, issues the Bears could mitigate only by having him throw the league's second-shortest passes (an average of 6.11 air yards per throw) before he was benched.

The problem with going after guys with Glennon's sort of physical prototype is that quarterbacks who look and throw like Glennon and also can play quarterback at a high level almost always are drafted with one of the first picks. They don't fall to the third round. They don't get benched after two years for Josh McCown, and if they're really plausible franchise quarterbacks, the team that has them doesn't draft another quarterback with the first overall pick. Glennon was given every chance to succeed because he looks like an athletic CEO.

Russell Wilson fell to the third round because he is 5-foot-11. Tyrod Taylor is 6-foot-1. Prescott is 6-foot-2 but came out of a run-heavy spread scheme in school. His predecessor, Tony Romo, was a 6-2 small-school product who succeeded with an unteachable style of extending plays. There will be exceptions, but even Tom Brady had to drastically improve his arm strength during a rookie season on the sidelines before he emerged as a viable quarterback.

Keenum is 6-foot-1, below the 6-foot-2 minimum some teams place on quarterback prospects. He didn't have a strong arm coming out of Houston, where he ran a spread attack. Keenum was accurate and outperformed the other quarterbacks on his various rosters in three of his four pro seasons with meaningful reps, but teams start from the perception that players who look and throw like Glennon will succeed and players who look and throw like Keenum will fail.

With that in mind, though it still might make sense to go after a guy who looks like Matt Ryan or Carson Wentz if you're drafting with one of the first few selections, as those players come off the board, you're better off looking for talent before size or arm strength.

The idea that there aren't 32 good NFL quarterbacks is overstated
Nobody would have said that Keenum was an upper-echelon starter before this season. If anything, they would have held up Keenum's 24 pro starts as proof that there weren't enough good quarterbacks to go around in the NFL. Yet here we are in Week 12, and Keenum ranks second in Total QBR and 10th in passer rating through 10 games and 330 pass attempts. If he isn't a good quarterback, he sure is doing a wicked impersonation of one.

You might argue that Keenum is in a great situation to succeed given the quality of his defense and his receivers, and I'd agree. If Keenum can look like a Pro Bowler in that context, though, we need to change the way we talk about scarcity. Instead of saying that there aren't 32 good quarterbacks to go around, we should be saying that there aren't 32 good situations for quarterbacks at any given time in the NFL.

As I've mentioned in the past, we -- NFL executives and fans alike -- overestimate our knowledge of and ability to scout quarterbacks. Before the season, how many people would have pegged Goff and Keenum to look like top-10 quarterbacks? Would we have given up on Goff after two years if the Rams hadn't fired Fisher and brought back their stifling offensive infrastructure? If the Cowboys had successfully traded up for Paxton Lynch, Prescott might be a backup behind Kirk Cousins in Washington with six pass attempts to his name. There are guys lurking on benches or struggling right now who will prove themselves to be useful NFL quarterbacks. We just don't know who they are until they get the opportunity.

Aaron Rodgers hurt and the Vikings turning away Matthew Stafford & Co. in Detroit on Thursday, Minnesota is a 98.2 percent favorite to win the North for the second time in three seasons. It's hard to imagine that anyone would have believed the Vikings capable of winning the division with a quarterback like Keenum, including the Vikings themselves, given that they traded a first-round pick to acquire Bradford last year once Bridgewater went down in lieu of turning things over to a player of a pedigree similar to Keenum's in Shaun Hill.

It seems ridiculous to take things a step further and imagine Keenum holding up the Lombardi trophy on Minnesota's home turf in February, but the idea that there's a cutoff point among quarterbacks when it comes to winning a Super Bowl just isn't supported by history. It's one thing that Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl with the historically great defense of the 2000 Ravens. It's another to think of Eli Manning winning with the 2007 Giants during a season in which he led the NFL in interceptions and had a defense that finished 13th in DVOA. Or to think of Joe Flacco winning a title in 2012 with the league's 19th-ranked defense by DVOA.

Both of those defenses played better during the playoffs, and their respective quarterbacks put together glowing stretches of play in January. And that's all it is. Any quarterback can win a Super Bowl if he gets some help from his defense and gets hot for a three- or four-game stretch in the postseason. The ideal postseason run would look a lot like how the Vikings have performed the entirety of the season, and Keenum has been on a two-month hot streak.

Of course, the possibility exists that the Vikings make a deep playoff run without Keenum under center. It has seemed likely for weeks now that the Vikings will eventually turn back to Bridgewater. When Keenum threw those two late interceptions to put the lead in question against Washington, coach Mike Zimmer seemed to take his time and consider a change before announcing Keenum as the starter the following week.

I'm not sure there's a strong case to insert Bridgewater as the starter right now, and that's coming from someone who loves Bridgewater and thinks he's a franchise quarterback. It's not as if making the change to Bridgewater would unlock some new stylistic or schematic possibilities for the Vikings in the way that, say, swapping Alex Smith for Colin Kaepernick worked for the 49ers or Patrick Mahomes for Smith might work for the Chiefs. Keenum and Bridgewater are both going to succeed with their accuracy at the expense of marginal arm strength while using their footwork and instincts within the pocket to avoid big hits.

At the same time, Keenum is doing a better job of playing the Bridgewater role than Bridgewater ever did in his NFL career. Keenum's numbers across the board in 2017 -- particularly his remarkably low sack rate -- top Bridgewater's marks before the torn ACL. While it's fair to say that Bridgewater possesses more upside than we would have expected Keenum to hold before the season, the best-case scenario for a Bridgewater campaign in 2017 would look a lot like what we're seeing from Keenum right now.

Given how he has played, it seems fair for the Vikings to give Keenum both the job and a reasonable leash on his role. He shouldn't be one bad game or one bad pass from being benched, though it seems fair to give Bridgewater the nod if Keenum pieces together a couple of mediocre performances. If the Vikings lock themselves into a playoff berth by Week 17, it would seem logical to name Keenum the postseason starter and give Bridgewater the final game of the season against the Bears to get loose in case he's needed during the playoffs.

Teddy Bridgewater hasn't played since the end of the 2015 season, in which he threw 14 touchdown passes and nine interceptions while completing 65.3 percent of his passes. Tommy Gilligan-USA TODAY Sports
Will the Vikings re-sign Keenum?
Perhaps most fascinating of all is what comes next. All three of the Vikings' quarterbacks are due to become unrestricted free agents after the season, and there's no clear favorite among the three as to who might come back for 2018. Bradford played well given the circumstances last season, and though his knee might give the Vikings pause in handing out a long-term deal, Minnesota might be amenable to a short-term deal. Bridgewater was an organizational favorite before his own knee injury and would likely come cheaply, given the missing years on his résumé. And given how Keenum has played, why wouldn't the Vikings consider giving him a raise and locking him in for the next year or two?

Most teams would love to have these sorts of problems and think the issue of infrastructure for the Vikings makes it less important for them to re-sign any of these guys. They don't need a ton out of their quarterback to win, and they've managed to succeed over most of the past three seasons with three guys who were either unwanted by most of the league or desperate acquisitions just before the season started. (Their one dismal stretch, the second half of 2016, came as the defense declined.)

I wouldn't say the Vikings can plug anybody in at quarterback and succeed, but as long as the coaching staff, the defense and the offensive line are here to stay, Minnesota might be better off opting for low-cost, high-accuracy options at quarterback and using the savings to re-sign future free agents such as Anthony Barr, Stefon Diggs and Danielle Hunter. If that means giving Keenum a raise to $7.5 million per season or signing Bridgewater to a team-friendly extension, that seems smart. If it means importing a veteran (and possible free agent) such as Alex Smith or Tyrod Taylor who might be willing to take less money in search of a ring, that could work too.

As for Keenum, he has certainly graduated from below-level backup money to the highest tier of backups, which should put him in the $6 million to $7 million per season range this offseason. What comes next will determine whether he goes any higher. The league decided a long time ago that Keenum was likely to fail as a pro, and he spent most of his time in the NFL confirming that belief. Now that he's succeeding, he'll have to prove the consensus wrong time and again before he gets his chance. Even if Keenum isn't this good the rest of the way, he should land on a cushion of life-changing money when he falls back to earth.
 

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Lot's of talk on Keenum in the Thanksgiving game day thread.

One heck of a long article. Give Keenum his props.

I wouldn't say the Vikings can plug anybody in at quarterback and succeed, but as long as the coaching staff, the defense and the offensive line are here to stay, Minnesota might be better off opting for low-cost, high-accuracy options at quarterback and using the savings to re-sign future free agents such as Anthony Barr, Stefon Diggs and Danielle Hunter. If that means giving Keenum a raise to $7.5 million per season or signing Bridgewater to a team-friendly extension, that seems smart. If it means importing a veteran (and possible free agent) such as Alex Smith or Tyrod Taylor who might be willing to take less money in search of a ring, that could work too.

It is going to cost a lot more than 7.5M to resign Keenum. Keenum would be smart to sign a team friendly 15M a year deal if offered. The Vikings are a good match for Case and visa versa. The main thing Case is lacking is the top arm strength. He moves well and shows the smarts to make the quick decisions. He also has good leadership ability. At 29 he is coming into his own at a good time.
 

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Texans FO must be facepalming real hard now, letting go of him because of BOB's petty resolve when Keenum's University of Houston-lead team beat his Penn State squad.
 

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Keenum is the ultimate underdog story.

The NFL hasn't had one this good since Kurt Warner.

Just watching him move around in the pocket and scrape out a few meager victories made me realize that he could be really good once he found the right offense to operate.

Too bad we couldn't have hung on to Pat Shurmur for a few years.

The guy gets better every year.

Taking a conservative Fisher offense and turning out a rookie of the year quarterback from it was amazing in itself.

Cleveland, (of course) was too dumb to know what they had in Shurmur as well.
 

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Too bad we couldn't have hung on to Pat Shurmur for a few years.

The Pat Shurmer we had is nothing like the Pat Shurmur of the present. He learned quite a bit under the tutelage of Chip Kelly and Norv Turner. In fact, I'm not sure he even runs the same offense now that he did with the Rams.

Taking a conservative Fisher offense and turning out a rookie of the year quarterback from it was amazing in itself.

Fisher wasn't the HC yet ... that was the second season of Spags.

Cleveland, (of course) was too dumb to know what they had in Shurmur as well.

Cleveland fans had a lot of the same complaints Rams fans had about Shurmur, and honestly, he wasn't ready to be a head coach.

I give Shurmur al the credit in the world for his improvement. It would seem that he is the rare breed of coach who learns from his own shortcomings, makes necessary changes, and improves. Certainly nothing like the last two head coaches we have had in these parts. That being said, the career path he's taken, the ups and downs, were probably necessary for the growth that he's had.
 

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Keenum is the ultimate underdog story.

The NFL hasn't had one this good since Kurt Warner.

Case couldn't carry Warner's jock. Three years from now he'll be back to what he is, a backup QB somewhere collecting good cash and readying himself to start if needed.

I'm actually happy for the guy thus far. But people and media crowning him after eight games or whatever that he's started this season are out of their minds. He's got a full team around him and is doing what Fish hoped he'd do for us last year. But that doesn't mean we should crown the guy. Let's wait and see what he does through the playoffs before we mention him in the same sentence as Warner.

If he ends up redefining himself as a starter I'll be more than happy to eat my words. But I expect the Vikings (who are also being crowned widely right now) to be eliminated in the playoffs in their usual choke session and it'll be clear they came up short at QB when all is said and done. Case will sign a decent contract to get a starter shot somewhere, and they'll end up replacing him.
 

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Yeah, I acknowledged that Shurmur learned a lot since he was here in my post.

Good catch though on the fact that Fisher wasn't here yet when he left.

I never said that Keenum was as good as Warner, so jeez, cut the exaggerations.

Keenum is a great feel-good story and if you have negative attitudes towards a great feel good story I can't help you.

But I do notice that the press and the announcers at the game are all over it and I am glad that a lot of people can see the positive of what a great story it is.

Nice game ball they gave Keenum too.
 

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I never said that Keenum was as good as Warner, so jeez, cut the exaggerations.

Yeah re-reading my post I sound like a real d!ck. Didn't intend that, just think that there's way too much overreaction on QBs every year and it drives me nuts. Condemning rookies like Goff, paving the road to the HoF for rookies like RG3, crowning this guy, pouring gasoline on that guy, etc. QBs are just different in that they need to be looked at in a much bigger sample size as defenses stack things against them and take away what they do well.

And I don't hate Case. I am just certain he's a backup. If I'm wrong, wouldn't be the first nor the last time either.
 

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As I continually point out, half the teams in the league are either starting a backup quality quarterback or they are looking for a long-term starter because they have someone who is getting ready to retire.

That said, I'm not sure what a "backup quarterback" is anymore.

If someone can come in as a backup and pull off an 8-2 record?

Is he a backup or is he *somebody's* starter?
 

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Oh and I agree about the overreactions against rookies.
That is why I never had a problem with them keeping Goff or lamented losing Keenum, I'm just happy for Keenum.

I also posted that the idea of Mannion starting over Goff was ridiculous after the investment they put into Goff.
 

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Texans FO must be facepalming real hard now, letting go of him because of BOB's petty resolve when Keenum's University of Houston-lead team beat his Penn State squad.
Would be an interesting angle except O’Brien was in New England during that game and didn’t become penn state HC until the 2012 season
 

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That said, I'm not sure what a "backup quarterback" is anymore.

If someone can come in as a backup and pull off an 8-2 record?

Is he a backup or is he *somebody's* starter?

It will prove out over time I think. If he's a starter it will show through him winning that job and holding on to it over time. Since he's a guy who's been around the decision on whether they keep/re-sign him will depend on how he plays down the stretch and into the playoffs, but even if he struggles and costs them in the playoffs he will probably get a long look somewhere else at a minimum.

Oh and btw this offseason is going to have an insane QB market. Take a look at impending FAs and guys who project to be available, and it's going to cause a lot of tumult around the league. Granted some of these guys will get locked up but here's the noteworthy ones:

Brees
Cousins
Carr
Bradford
Keenum
Bridgewater
Garoppolo
And a bunch of backup types

Depending on how the top three are handled this offseason has the potential to alter the power structure of this league. And one team that might be shopping is the Vikes.
 

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As I continually point out, half the teams in the league are either starting a backup quality quarterback or they are looking for a long-term starter because they have someone who is getting ready to retire.

That said, I'm not sure what a "backup quarterback" is anymore.

If someone can come in as a backup and pull off an 8-2 record?

Is he a backup or is he *somebody's* starter?

The real question is... can you win a Super Bowl with Keenum. And the answer is HELL NO. And that's the same answer for the Alex Smith's/Prescott's/Cousins(might be an exception but always does the dumbest shit at the end of the game to lose it for you) of the world.
 

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He would not look like this on any team . He is on a team with a dominant defense a strong running game , and playmakers all over the field.

Good for case because he is a good guy and works hard . However he is not an elite qb talent, Bradford looked great this season too before he got hurt.
 

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Funny how Sam Bradford’s name is rarely even brought up any more in Minny
 

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The real question is... can you win a Super Bowl with Keenum. And the answer is HELL NO. And that's the same answer for the Alex Smith's/Prescott's/Cousins(might be an exception but always does the dumbest crap at the end of the game to lose it for you) of the world.
There are quarterbacks that have won the Superbowl that are second-tier quarterbacks like Keenum is.
 

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The real question is... can you win a Super Bowl with Keenum. And the answer is HELL NO. And that's the same answer for the Alex Smith's/Prescott's/Cousins(might be an exception but always does the dumbest crap at the end of the game to lose it for you) of the world.
Keenum is 8-2 so I'm not sure what he did at the end of the game to lose.