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What is a "true #1 WR"??

Discussion in 'RAMS - NFL TALK' started by blackbart, Mar 8, 2014.

  1. RamFan503 Grill and Brew Master

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    Where are your assurances that Watkins is that caliber? I just don't get it. Why is it ridiculous to assume that Bailey, Austin, and Cook have big upside and that a 6'1" receiver that has never taken an NFL snap is not? Even BQ has a good chance of being that guy with a QB that can throw past 15 yards with accuracy and an O-line that allows for that play to be there before the QB has to start scrambling.
     
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    HA! Thanks ... I guess. o_O:ROFLMAO:
     
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  3. iced Well-Known Member

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    Magical # for most pro players seems to be the 3 year mark, sometimes 4. The fact that he was one of the better RT's in football is a good thing - you shouldn't try to replace that when LG is so glaring.

    No - Sorry but you cannot have it both ways. Franchise low in catches yet the receiving corps was one of the top teams in drops - and that's when bradford was starting. not to mention the spread offense they were running initially w/ no running game if anything should have helped inflate their numbers. Chris Givens? 0 Td's - 104 other receivers managed to get TD's, many others playing with backup QB's. Justin Blackmon got over 400 yards and a few td's in 4 games - what's givens excuse? I wouldn't consider Gabbert or Henne to be better than Bradford. Think about that. Blackmon got over half the yardage in 4 games than our most productive receiver did in 16 games with worse QB play.

    At what point are people going to wake up and acknowledge that we don't have a #1 Receiver - why even bother drafting a QB like Bradford if we're not going to help him out?

    Look at what Josh Gordon did - with 3 or 4 rotating QB's.
    True but I also expect Barrett Jones to be in the mix in some capacity.
    Actually I think people would Argue last year's best Guard was Larry Warford,whom the Lions took at #75 and the Rams had been considering if Ogletree wasn't there after that last trade down.

    Easy to contain a receiver when they don't have a quarterback.... yea, and how did Seattle lose that 2nd game? A TD to Michael Floyd, a big, tall receiver in the mold of a future #1 (or so they hope)

    Recent history would then show no QB's should go in the first round and you can get quality RB's later the draft.... doesn't look to be the same this year does it? how many qb's do you think go in the first this year?

    that's my point - every class is different

    A lot of it was whom was blocking and where from - you'll notice Cook was not asked to block anymore (That's huge, and he was a big problem)

    how is 12th in run blocking much worse? that's better

    Lol if only it could decide :) Come on Snead! I know you're out there reading my opinion! side with meeeeeeee!
     
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  4. Memphis Ram Well-Known Member

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    That's what baffles me more than anything else. How could a guy that caught 70% of his passes within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage and rarely, if ever, saw press coverage, be seen as this sure-fire stud WR the team so-called needs???
     
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  5. iced Well-Known Member

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    We know what we get from Cook. He runs Seem routes, but not much else... Bailey? He hasn't shown me he's an outside receiver, Austin isn't. He's a weapon, but Schotty hasn't shown me he knows how to use him in mold of a Z/X receiver...and more importantly, he doesn't really fit that role either.

    We saw what receivers like Blackmon/Gordon can do with sub qb play, and I think watkins is in one of those molds. These guys aren't winning jump balls - they're using their physical ability and speed to separate, somethin Watkins is similar. I see a lot of Josh Gordon in him, even if he's only 6'1 and Gordon is 6'3. They still separate, and know what to do in space with the ball.
     
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  6. iced Well-Known Member

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    I'd be happy with Watkins or Evans. Either one. I'm not gonna claim to a big draftnik like some of you guys on here - but I know enough to know that what we have at wide receiver isn't going to cut it, and there are some prospects that would be instant upgrades to our corps.

    I'm tired of seeing a Ferrari in the garage with a governor on it. (Bradford w/ no legitimate outside receiver)
     
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  7. Memphis Ram Well-Known Member

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    But, Jeff Fisher wasn't the coach in Atlanta. They weren't running his program.

    Jeff Fisher has NEVER had a #1 WR on any of his teams. BUT, he has had some very strong OLines. And the reason he did without high draft picks on the OLine is because he didn't have the need and/or the opportunity. Awhile back I went through each year of his Titans drafts and the couple of times where need met opportunity is when a stud DLineman who was needed FAR more was staring him right in the face. Plus to my knowledge, he's never been in this situation along the Oline before.

    It baffles me how after all these posts, how anyone can see Matthews and Robinson as ONLY a LT. Or that Jeff Fisher hasn't and/or isn't using the same gameplan as the more pass happy teams around the league.
     
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    Why wouldn't you want a #1 caliber wr? what sense is there in that? you can also win with a game manager QB- but does that mean you don't want a franchise type? You can win without a dominant RB- but do you not strive to get one? we don't have that guy that teams worry about, game plan for, and makes the tough catch when you need it and consistently beats one on one coverage. We have a chance for one of those- why not?
     
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  9. RamFan503 Grill and Brew Master

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    @iced - Warford? Ain't hindsight grand? I'd take it. I think we are all talking about prospects here and my understanding was that they were looking at Warford later - not with the Tree pick.

    I don't get your point on a QB shouldn't go in the first. I must be missing something. When was the last time that happened? You used to see RBs go very often in the first including the first overall. When was the last time you saw that happen? Every class is different but the draft value very much follows the trends in the NFL and also how teams plan to attack their division and the rest of the NFL. And in this class, you have one apparent best receiver and he is not in an elite class. So why take him just because you MAY be shallow at his position. Because he is the best this year but wouldn't be in most?

    12th in run blocking on its own may not seem too bad. Playoff contention not too bad? Nope. But if your O-line is 25th in getting you those critical one or two yards when that is almost all on your line, THAT seems like a big problem. Now take away two of your starters and factor in that your main starter is currently recovering.

    No warm and fuzzies for how our line is looking without some real athleticism and talent coming via the draft.

    Just my opinion obviously. But we both know who Snead and Fisher are going to side with and no amount of begging on your part is going to change that. :cool:
     
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    SAMMY WATKINS
     
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  11. Memphis Ram Well-Known Member

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    Only time will tell if what you know is true. But, I still struggle to see how players playing a position that typically takes 2-3 years to gell in can be read so quickly. I mean I could run off a list of names of WRs that did next to nothing early, but turned into very good players. Too much of a need for instant gratification going on, IMO.

    If the Ferrari is QBing a team winning ball games with a balanced offense that has more a run focus along with a strong defense, I wouldn't give a darn. Style points mean nothing to me.
     
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    And I'm tired of seeing said Ferrari with a Hummer chasing it down.
     
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    eh... shaddup Mr. Latetotheparty.

    BTW - Blue font implied.
     
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    Why wouldn't you want a dominant O-line?
     
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    It's not that I see Matthews or Robinson as only an LT. It's that I see an early #2 pick as only an LT (yes, despite the counter example of Ogden)

    As far as Fisher's game plan goes (which I think would be far more Schottenheimer's plan, since Fisher isn't an offense guy) is bound only by the players he has. And if it's going to be as run-centric as you say, why even bother going to a team with a #1 overall QB?
     
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    you would- I have no issues with Robinson or Matthews- my point was going against those that say you shouldn't take a WR- if he is the best player on the board- take him- we have many picks- and can address the oline issues as we still have two quality starting OT's and can find OGs later generally speaking.
     
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    Who doesn't want one? No one has said that.
     
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    you seem pretty strong against taking Watkins- sighting wanting the youngins to develop- so either you think we have one, you think Watkins isn't one, or don't believe we need one to win (which you have stated many times) - yet you want Clowney- a guy who would be a rotational guy when we have two very good Des already, and a very solid backup in Hayes. Doesn't make much sense to me.
     
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    not really hindsight - he was a favorite of mine pre-draft and many others on here, and you're the one that said the best guard came in the top 2 rounds.

    ^ that's your quote. A lot of good guards come out of the 2nd-4th round, but that always depends on the draft and how deep it is.
    outside of EJ Manuel, whom went middle of the first, the rest of the qb's went 2nd - 4th mainly. Last year was the first year not to have a RB go in the first - Lacy was the first one off the board.

    Yep - but look at where they're running and their effectiveness. They were very good when going behind the tackles, comletely different story for the guards... draft some road grading guards - they're available outside the top 10
    lol it's all our opinions - i just wanna see some guards and i think we're set for a PO run, provided we get a receiver some how.
     
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  20. Memphis Ram Well-Known Member

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    I see now. You seem to be a bit too focused on on draft positions and not actual players.

    Bradford could have been an undrafted FA steal instead of a #1 overall selection. Fisher went to a team with a young starting potential franchise QB. Why? Because they are hard to find and typically not having one isn't good for job security.

    Limiting the #2 pick to LT makes more sense if the old CBA were still in place due to it's financial implications. But, that's not the case today. That is one of the reasons we saw guards selected in the top 10 last year.

    Finally, Fisher is the guy that hired Schottenhiemer. And Fisher is ultimately responsible for what happens on both sides of the football. I have yet to read anything anywhere where Schottenhiemer has been given full reign of the offense to do whatever he wants to do. However, I have read where Fisher stepped in after that 49er game debacle and had the team/Schottenhiemer place more of an emphasis on the rushing attack, though.
     
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