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Time for a plan B

Discussion in 'RAMS - NFL TALK' started by RamzFanz, Apr 4, 2014.

  1. RamzFanz Well-Known Member Pit Boss

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    I think we agree in principle. Texans take Clowney or they want a QB. They could trade with the Rams, get additional picks, AND get Bortles.

    They could also trade with the Jags if the Jags want Clowney, get extra picks, AND get Bortles.

    So, in my mind, if it's Bortels they want, they would at least consider both of those.

    What would you do if you were Snisher, assuming they have overcome the doubts, and really want Clowney? Say no, we won't give up our second overall and a 5th and 7th rounder and risk not getting Clowney? Call their bluff and risk they take him or trade elsewhere? Or is a 5th and 7th worth the assurance he's yours?

    I say they trade without a second thought or regret.
     
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  2. RamzFanz Well-Known Member Pit Boss

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    Yeah, I got ya. But in my mind, he is a slam dunk at 2. In my scenario, he has to be.

    I agree with you if he's not a slam dunk.

    However, I think he's a slam dunk at 1. Either the Texans, Rams, or some other team is going to go after him. The Rams being the least likely because they won't offer much. But I think they would offer something.
     
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  3. SaneRamsFan Member

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    Really good discussion but my honest opinion is it's being over thunk. We are looking at it under a microscope with blue and gold lenses. Texans fo will be castrated by the press and fans if they get cute and lose out on manziel or bortles. Jacks their only possible trading partner and I doubt they (jacks) are willing. Texans will take their qb of choice. Rams will trade down with atlanta or possibly Cleveland. I just don't see it happening any other way.
     
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  4. RamzFanz Well-Known Member Pit Boss

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    If the Rams don't want Clowney, or want whoever they can get from a trade more, I agree. I don't know what you can get this season at 6th and in the 2nd round, after trading down, that would be worth more than Clowney. 6th could mean you get no one you want. Clowney, Robinson, Mathews, Watkins, Mack could all be gone. What then?
     
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  5. CGI_Ram Hamburger Connoisseur

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    If they trade out of #1, they could lose Bortles to someone jumping to the Rams spot! That could happen... And it would be a huge blow to their strategy of trading down expecting to get Bortles.

    And, no way I trade up for Clowney. Too good of options at #2. Too good of depth to trade any premium picks to get to #1.
     
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  6. RamzFanz Well-Known Member Pit Boss

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    Yes, if they are set on Bortles, they could be screwed if the Rams trade down.

    I guess that's where we disagree on Clowney. I don't like taking anyone at 2 as much as Clowney for the Rams. I also wouldn't consider a round 5 and 7 surplus pick as premium. I would do it in a heartbeat to guarantee Rams get Clowney. That would be the best way to start a draft, lock up the BPA.
     
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  7. SaneRamsFan Member

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    Texans take bortles. Atl takes clowney. Jacks takes mack. Cle takes watkins. Oak takes robinson. Mattews still left. Thats the worse you can do. I trust oak to do something stupid and robinson still be thete at six. Thats worse case. I still think boortles manziel and bridgeovertroubledwaters could all go top five.
     
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  8. SaneRamsFan Member

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    Just for the record if clown ey is there at two and we take him I will own his jersey before the end of the day.
     
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  9. RamzFanz Well-Known Member Pit Boss

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    Mathews in trade for a number 2 pick and a second rounder would be a bad decision in my book. Unless rams parlay the extra picks and 13 into a second blue chip player or get a first next season sprinkled on top.

    I love Mathews for our second pick. That would be a coup. He and Clowney are the only two "ready for prime time" players IMHO. Any other choices may not even start. I don't see passing on Clowney for him. Clowney / Mathews would be a massive upgrade for the Rams. Of course, that would require a big trade up.
     
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  10. RamzFanz Well-Known Member Pit Boss

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    I'll be in line with you.
     
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  11. CGI_Ram Hamburger Connoisseur

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    Yeah I don't see Clowney as that significantly better/safer when all things considered - to trade up for.

    I'd also argue those late round choices proved valuable in our trade to land Zac Stacy.
     
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  12. RamzFanz Well-Known Member Pit Boss

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    We have 12 picks this season. Plenty of trade bait.

    One of my big motivators is Clowney would start somewhere day one. Mathews too probably. No one else is a lock and I really want immediate impact. Between the two I see clowney as the bigger impact because the Rams will have plenty of opportunity for O line in the draft. Clowney / Mathews would be the ultimate season changer IMHO.
     
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  13. CGI_Ram Hamburger Connoisseur

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    I will say... The thought of using Clowney, mixing things up with how we play Long and the OLB position, could be absolutely unstoppable in a Greg Williams science lab!
     
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  14. Ramhusker Well-Known Member Pit Boss

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    How about you take the trade then flip it to ATL for their 6th, 39th, and a 2nd in 2015? :sneaky:
     
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  15. SaneRamsFan Member

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    If we wound up with clowney and mattews that would be the best draft in memmory and I need a good memory been doing this for awhile.
     
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  16. RamzFanz Well-Known Member Pit Boss

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    I considered that too! That would be cool. Make it a first in 2015.
     
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  17. RamzFanz Well-Known Member Pit Boss

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    I know, right? Get some good secondary, play man coverage, blitz their asses off! That could be amazing!

    If the QB only has a second to throw every down, you know when the ball is coming. JJ could go back to his nasty ways.
     
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  18. Ramhusker Well-Known Member Pit Boss

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    Greedy greedy greedy
     
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    IMO there is no way the Rams trade with the Texans, Clowney is not a need pick, and there are going to be blue chip players in needed positions at #2, Texans take Clowney, no problem we have our pick of Mathews, Robinson or Watkins. if the Texans don't take Clowney then we open up the trade lines, either way we are sitting pretty, why give up picks to move up?
     
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  20. Memphis Ram Well-Known Member

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    Sure, but I wouldn't trade up for Torry Holt when I could stand pat and select Champ Bailey.
     
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