The Goff Thread

[badnews]

Here's my brief comment.....when your teams QB's development period exceeds your remaining life expectancy, find another QB!

He's mediocre. Capable of being very good and very bad. Pretending like he hasn't already shown the ability to be a good QB feels like selective memory.

Life is short, I totally agree, so excuse me if I would rather roll with the guy we have than to pretend there are better options just waiting to be had. Darnold? Fitzpatrick? These are the names I'm seeing as suggestions of guys who could do better..... hahaha!
Most QBs will struggle with a poor run game, no gamebreakers and a just serviceable O-line, imo. Mediocre QBs espescially.

So unless anybody has another QB who gives us a better chance to win right now, I see no point in another 5 threads and 400 posts about Goff playing bad. There are no posters here saying otherwise. Its just redundancy for frustration's sake.

 

[badnews]

This is all a moot point anyways - the last five games are against teams with garbage defenses that we will light up.

I tend to agree but we have to play smart against AZ's D.
Although I see our defense just destroying their O, so it shouldn't take a ton of points to win.

Really hope Matt Gay just keeps nailing his kicks. We should give him lots of chances over the next 5 weeks and our shot at the playoffs could very well come down to his leg..

 

[CGI_Ram]

The problem is that last season and this season Goff's turnovers are increasing.

He had a 2.6 int % last year and a 2.5 int % this year so far....

2017-2018 his average was 1.6%

Is that TD/INT ratio... or pass to INT ratio?

 

[Ellard80]

Is that TD/INT ratio... or pass to INT ratio?

id have to look again.. i think pass to int ratio.

 

[Ellard80]

If mcvay didn't want him he wouldn't be here. So how can you say its not his decision...really?

He wasn't here when they drafted Goff. It's not 100% his decision. also who are they going to replace goff with?

there isn't anyone out there so not like mcvay could do anything else about it anyway.

 

[Giles]

He wasn't here when they drafted Goff. It's not 100% his decision. also who are they going to replace goff with?

there isn't anyone out there so not like mcvay could do anything else about it anyway.

He was here when they decided to pay him which is my point. That was him if he didn't want to pay him they wouldn't have is all I'm saying.

 

[Ellard80]

He was here when they decided to pay him which is my point. That was him if he didn't want to pay him they wouldn't have is all I'm saying.

right i get ya... but that really also had no choice but to pay him. No free agents worth a shit.. no draft picks.

 

[matt30]

I think it's interesting to hear why people think he has bad games. I don't think the conventional wisdom is right (he can't read a defense).

I don't think the miss to Henderson was bad. The ball was in the catch radius of the average receiver and the probability of completing throws like that (on the sideline, 20+ yards down the field) is only about 40%-60%. We completed more in 2017, 2018 because we threw those deep routes more.

The turnovers are a mystery.
This INT is a complete mystery to me:

View: https://twitter.com/NFL/status/1333163259822698498?s=20


Goff looks like he got it off cleanly but I can't see the coverage or the routes at the time of the throw. It looks like either the WR or the QB didn't know the route. Probably intended for Woods but Woods is 15 yards deeper than the location of that throw.

I think this was the right decision:

View: https://twitter.com/KNBR/status/1333176325981442050?s=20

Unblocked rusher and Goff needs to tuck the ball. I didn't think it was a bad idea at the time but in hindsight he shouldn't have been worried about getting back to the LOS. Did too much.

Heres another example of doing to much:

View: https://twitter.com/brgridiron/status/1333181421746208771?s=20

He's trying to make a tight window throw to Kupp. Gets hit before the pass can get out. I'm not sure if he saw him. Corbett lost to Givens, a rookie UDFA tackle. If Goff saw him, he should have tucked it. If he didn't, I'm not sure that play could have happened any other way.

 

[gabriel18]

Goff has had ONE good clean game all season. Philly
It’s not like the DB’s are making great plays for an int.
He is practically handing it to them. The throw he made for the pic 6 was as bad as I’ve seen. He threw the ball into triple coverage with no chance of a completion. Incomplete passes and missing a receiver are part of the game , but literally putting points on the board for your opponent can’t happen. He better get it cleaned up because McVay sounds like he’s had it with his lackluster careless play. I don’t blame him. He’s a turnover machine right now.

 

[WarnerToBruce]

Just a week ago, Goff set a record for passes on Monday night...

Anyone else concerned about two straight games being shut down in the running game?

McVay would have done Goff some favors pointing that out in his press conference.

I'm not sure I understand the point with this? Are you acquitting Goff because the run game isn't performing well?

It's a chicken-and-the-egg thing. It is common knowledge that to have a chance to beat the Rams, you sell out to stop the run, and let Goff beat you. Against the Bucs, he threw a million times, and was good enough to get his team the W. Against the 9ers, not so much.

If he hit his open WRs (and I can provide video of wide open WRs for you if you think they were covered well), then the running game would open up because he would be forcing defenses to respect the pass.

I also think McVay could help with this, but see my rolling out/bootleg thread for details on this. BTW, Goff looks GREAT on the bootleg. I am not in the Goff bashing business, I'm in the GO RAMS business.

 

[-X-]

We should just kill him.

 

[Loyal]

We should just kill him.

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[RamsFanCK]

We should just kill him.

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Come on guys, what do you expect to get from these kind of posts right now. The Ramily is emotional after a loss to a rival. These kinds of posts will illicit an emotional response which makes them borderline trolling. I expect better from two of my most respected posters.

With that being said, you aren’t wrong. We can’t and shouldn’t move on from Goff yet, no need to put his head on a pike.

However it is ok to be upset with his horrendous ball security lately. It’s ok to call him out on his poor play which is holding the team back this year. It’s ok to be dissatisfied with his regression over the last two seasons. It’s ok to comment on his inaccurate passing of late. Heck even McVay is calling him out in public.

Lets be the bigger posters and attack this constructively eh?

My question is how does Goff work on his ball protection? Is this a coaching issue? Is Goff trying to do too much? How does he progress from here? He has it in him, he took us to a SB and looked like a stud doing so! Whats his path back to that?

 

[BriansRams]

Goff is just average. (example: he's basically the same as Cousins and Foles)
We've paid him a gazillion dollars before we actually had to.
So he's our QB for the next 3 years no matter what.
We have to deal with it and just hope he can play better ... a little bit more consistently.

 

[Ellard80]

We should just kill him.

We can't... there are not any better options... and we have no draft picks until 2082

so it's what we got!

 

[matt30]

Goff is just average. (example: he's basically the same as Cousins and Foles)
We've paid him a gazillion dollars before we actually had to.
So he's our QB for the next 3 years no matter what.
We have to deal with it and just hope he can play better ... a little bit more consistently.

Goff is demonstrably better than Foles. Foles does not have the arm strength or accuracy. I think Stafford and Cousins are underrated. Cousins would be a much better QB if he could throw on the run. Thats a problem Goff doesn't have.

 

[TheTackle]

It’s a team effort. Or was it Goff not opening holes for the RBs? Dropping passes? Or playing zone at LB?

It hurts, big time, but it’s not all on the QB. Should we have ‘the McVey thread‘ because his play calling was pretty terrible. The execution wasn’t all on Goff but it was also frustrating watching us get away from two TE sets and play action

 

[HitStick]

Problem is his best year is the year the Rams also had the best weapon in all of football and a line with experience. Losing a pro bowl guard and center definitely helped. Gurley having a damn near historic season was also a contributor. Having an actual deep threat helped too.

 

[-X-]

We can't... there are not any better options... and we have no draft picks until 2082

so it's what we got!

It’s too late now. I already bought all these torches and shit. I really don’t feel like going back to the store to try and return them. Pretty sure I lost the receipt anyway.

 

[nighttrain]

It’s a team effort. Or was it Goff not opening holes for the RBs? Dropping passes? Or playing zone at LB?

It hurts, big time, but it’s not on the QB. Should we have ‘the McVey thread‘ because his play calling was pretty terrible. The execution wasn’t all on Goff

A lot of truth in this post
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