albefree69 said:
Thordaddy looking at the issue from a different direction:
I've heard this said before ,but the position itself is so much different now Al that it's hard to compare ,what is more I firmly believe he's facing far better tackles than Deacon did so there is that as well.
Dan Dierdorf then/ would have a terrible time even making a roster today.
Deacon was an athletic freak ,but he didn't perform against the behemoths of todays NFL, put Quinn against those o-lines and I think you'd have a higher opinion of him,let him head slap people and he'd be even better.
Does Quinn need to have more moves? yes,does his run defense seem to be less than his pass defense ? yes ARE OT's today allowed to hold far more than they were back then ? OH HELL YES.
I'm not comparing them to each other per se, I'm comparing how good they are relative to their peers.
Deacon was the best DE (IMO) of his era. He was excellent in all facets of his position. Not only is Quinn not the best pass rusher (yet) among his peers, he's below average against the run.
No comparison at all IMO.
Yeah but Deacon played in a league where his athleticism was far more unique and FWIW I don't mind if people call me a racist when I say it was because there weren't nearly as many black players .
Yeah OK "Jimmy the Greek" me but ya gotta be intentionally crawling under a rock if you think black athletes aren't more gifted speed and size wise. Hell statistically I think black men are 2 or three inches taller than whites on average and I'd bet they average a half second or more faster in the 40 ON AVERAGE .
Like I said Deacon was a freakish athlete but segregation assured he didn't face the OTHER freakish athletes of his pastel in the NFL like Quinn "gets to".
I didn't conjure the comparison Al,I just want to make sure we don't overly romanticize it.
I've seen this over and over in the field of wrestling, SURE we make sure the guys all weigh the same ,but some of these kids go through puberty at 11 some not until they are 17,the early bloomers go undefeated YOUNG and get into HS and can't do shizzle ,the guys who are late bloomers LEARN the craft and take them apart in HS .
My youngest and I are pictured next to one another after he qualified for the state tournament at 138 lbs this year (March) he was 2 inches shorter than me and a senior in HS ,his brother was a Dist champion at the same age at 189 lbs. Today the younger one is half an inch taller than me (6 months later) is a way better wrestler than his bro was ,older bro HATES the idea that lil bro is gonna be taller and probably bigger.
Quinns mother probably had prenatal vitamins, he drank milk laced with hormones growing up,just IMPOSSIBLE to know how big Deacon might have been given those "advantages", I'm just confident as I can be that put each as they were and are in the others competitive arena and Quinn comes out looking far better.
More than anything though I'm sure I got my buddies blood pumping this AM and that MAKES MY DAY :rofl:
