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An endorsement deal is behind all his problems. It's all those free Subway sandwiches and the MSG hidden in the meats that's affecting his brain! Seriously, he was America's new jock "sweetheart" for endorsement deals just a few years ago, and he's really got a good chance of blowing it. His agent must be freaking out about now.
 

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It didn't sound that bad to me. Everything he said was true pretty much and he also said he believes in his teammates multiple times. The more people are ganging up on the guy makes me sort of feel a little sympathy for him. He can't open his mouth without someone reading between the lines and finding alternative meanings.
 

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Gruden vs. Griffin
Washington coach Jay Gruden did not hold back Monday in a public critique of quarterback Robert Griffin III’s recent play. It portends deeper problems in the nation’s capital and could foreshadow the end of RG3’s run as the franchise QB
By Peter King

One word for Washington coach Jay Gruden’s public critique of quarterback Robert Griffin III late Monday: startling.

Startling because a head coach rarely, if ever, says his quarterback has “fundamental flaws,” with a performance “not even being close to being good enough” to expectations.

Startling because Gruden, in his first year as coach, has been completely supportive of Griffin to this point, with no indication that he was unhappy with anything in his quarterback’s repertoire.

Startling because Gruden had to know he would create a firestorm by being so publicly critical of Griffin—and because it clearly will show that the coach has a major problem with his most important player.

There is something more at play here. There has to be. It’s an underlying dissatisfaction with Griffin by his coach, not based on one game or one post-game press conference in which Griffin was liberal with his criticism of himself and of the team as a whole. Nothing Griffin said—including the quote, “If you want to look at the good teams in this league and the great quarterbacks, the Peytons and the Aaron Rodgers, those guys don’t play well if their guys don’t play well”—was really pointedly critical of his teammates.

A little self-unaware, in bringing up Peyton Manning and Aaron Rodgers, as if Griffin belonged in the conversation with them, which he does not, yet. That’s why Gruden’s strong and pointed criticism of Griffin is more than just a reaction to how the quarterback played on Sunday and what the quarterback said on Sunday.

I think Gruden doesn’t like Griffin’s preparation or his commitment. That’s what I took from Gruden’s comments. And I think what he said casts doubt on Griffin’s long-term future with the team. I haven’t thought that until Monday afternoon. When Washington owner Dan Snyder fired Mike Shanahan after last season, I saw that as a vote for Griffin over Shanahan. I was sure the organization still considered the player picked second overall in 2011 the long-term quarterback for Washington.

Now I’m dubious about Griffin’s future in Washington. It is more than just being 4-14 in his last 18 starts, or not being able to stay on the field because of injuries. I wonder, and I believe the team does too, if the faith in Griffin to be the franchise cornerstone is wise.

As Pro Football Talk reported Sunday, the team has until May 3, 2015, to decide whether to exercise Griffin’s 2016 option year. If exercised, he will be paid an estimated $18.4 million in 2016. So obviously, for the organization to commit to paying Griffin a huge number like that in 2016—two years away—the end of this season is vitally important. If Gruden, Snyder and Washington GM Bruce Allen are going to commit to Griffin next May, the next six games are crucial.

The next six games won’t matter much to a team playing out the string. But despite fans chanting for backup Colt McCoy to replace Griffin, that’s not happening. The next six games are too important to the long-term future of the franchise. Washington has to make the call on Griffin, and the last six games matter greatly.

If you missed it Monday, here’s what Gruden said about Griffin, speaking about his performance in the 27-7 loss to Tampa Bay, and about Griffin the incomplete player:

“Robert had some fundamental flaws. His footwork was below average. He took three-step drops when he should have taken five. He took a one-step drop when he should have taken three, on a couple occasions, and that can’t happen. He stepped up when he didn’t have to step up and stepped into pressure. He read the wrong side of the field a couple times. So from his basic performance just critiquing Robert, it was not even close to being good enough to what we expect from the quarterback position.

“Just take your drops the right way and throw the five-yard stick route when you’re supposed to and do the best you can. Sometimes he worries a little bit too much. We’ve just got to try to get him better. His frame of mind is in the right place. It just doesn’t come out the right way sometimes, but he wants to get better. He knows he has a long way to go to get better. If he stays on the right track as far as work ethic and listening and preparing, then he’ll get better.

“It’s his job to worry about his position, his footwork, his fundamentals, his reads, his progressions, his job at the quarterback position. It’s my job to worry about everybody else. And, yes, everybody else needs to improve. There’s no question about it. But it’s not his place. His place is to talk about himself, and he knows that. He just elaborated a little bit too much.”


Now that Gruden has Griffin’s attention—and those around the team feel Griffin pays way too much attention to opinions in the outside world, as though he has rabbit ears—the coach should use this time to reinforce that Griffin needs to become a better student of the game. He needs to study the game more, study other quarterbacks more, and work as hard in the classroom as he does in the weight room and on his body.

All players have different personalities. Quarterbacks too. Peyton Manning is relentlessly meticulous and picky. Brett Favre was flippant and often gave off an I-couldn’t-care-less vibe. But with the great quarterbacks, whatever their attitudes during practice and on the sideline, they are Commodes on the field. They are rarely surprised by coverages, and they dictate to the defense far more than the defense dictates to them. Too often Griffin seems to either be surprised by what the defense presents or reacts poorly to changes in the secondary or the pass-rush.

Griffin has to get better, and he has to get better under the gun, and it has to start in two tough venues: at San Francisco on Sunday, and at Indianapolis the week after that. In Indy, he can look across the field and see the man picked before him in 2011, Andrew Luck, who is miles ahead of Griffin three years into their careers. Some of that is due to Griffin’s two injuries—the torn knee ligaments suffered at the end of 2013 and the dislocated ankle that sidelined him for six games this year.

But some is due to Luck being far advanced in other parts of the game. Luck is rarely fooled on the field. He’s a tireless student of the game. He is the unquestioned future of the franchise in Indianapolis. Griffin is teetering in Washington. His coach has fired a warning shot. Now let’s see if Griffin responds like a franchise player.

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Diagnosing What Ails RG3
Is it the ankle? The knee? Or an Achilles’ heel: his inability to operate from the pocket? The MMQB’s film-study guru says physical setbacks can’t explain away Robert Griffin III’s poor grasp of quarterbacking basics
By Andy Benoit

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Locker room leadership can be overrated. How a quarterback really loses his team is by leaving receivers open on the field. This is Robert Griffin’s biggest problem, and has been throughout his career. What’s most concerning is that he’s leaving receivers on the field out of a variety of formations and against a variety of coverages. The common thread is bad mechanics and a poor sense of timing.

Here are some examples from when Griffin returned to action two weeks ago after suffering a dislocated ankle in early September. To a small degree, his struggles can be attributed to rust. But that alone can’t explain away his poor grasp of quarterbacking basics.

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Griffin’s performance against the Bucs last Sunday wasn’t much better. While you can argue that his first interception wasn’t his fault, the second one—the Johnthan Banks pick-six—was bad. It came on third-and-6, and Griffin never accounted for inside linebacker Mason Foster after he dropped out of a double A-gap look. Foster was spying Griffin (not an uncommon tactic in that situation), and he saw Griffin staring down a short slant. That’s not great for a quarterback to do, but it’s not the worst thing on a quicker timed pass, either. Nevertheless, Jay Gruden surely addressed this sloppiness with Griffin on Monday.

Griffin, who has good arm strength, must play smarter from the pocket and protect the football. It’s especially important because the film shows that he can’t run anymore. There’s an underlying heaviness to his movements that could be attributed to the ankle injury. The quickness and acceleration with which he mesmerized crowds during his rookie season is gone. Maybe it’s only temporary, or maybe not. Given how Griffin played last year, this change could be linked to post knee-surgery rust, which, now nearly two years old, likely wouldn’t shake off.
 

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I thought the Redskins made the wrong decision when they chose Griffin over the coach last year , it wrongly empowered the player beyond reason ,you can get away with that with a basketball team and maybe if the guy IS as effective as Manning or Rogers or Brady , but for a petulant kid like Griffin it's a bad decision.
For all his genetic gifts obviously the "tact gene" was omitted for Robert
 

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Look at him and see Jameis Winston
I would say the same thing about Winston the next time he makes a bad decision. It isn't particularly newsworthy when it happens because that's what everyone expects. I'm being facetious of course, but it just isn't a shocker that RGIII said something like this.
 

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I didn't think what RGIII said was 'all' that bad.
He should not have called out specific positions etc., but just said everyone played poorly.
 

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I didn't think what RGIII said was 'all' that bad.
He should not have called out specific positions etc., but just said everyone played poorly.

what he said was very bad. it ticked off his teammates and hc. that's why gruden, in front of the world, told him to shut the fuck up and just worry about his own inept play.

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Most of this falls on Dan Snyder, he wanted to put him at the highest pedestal in the organization and now he's just spoiled goods (pun intended)
 

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I didn't think what RGIII said was 'all' that bad.
He should not have called out specific positions etc., but just said everyone played poorly.
Yeah - I'd have to agree. I am not one to defend RG because I think he is an immature diva but I thought Gruden's comments were far more unprofessional and way beneath what I would expect from a head coach. That organization is just a circus.
 

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The Washington organization, the league, and the media (ESPN) cultivated a culture where RG3 was the voice of the team. No doubt he is put in these situations time after time by the team and all those involved in an attempt to show that he is the standard bearer and the leader of that team.

What I don't get is why we have to call him names and disparage him the way we do. "RG-ME" or "RG-Whine" or whatever names, is here any doubt that if he were on a better team he would be much, much more successful? You want to talk about the bounty of picks the Rams received from Washington for him, those picks should have been players that would help him succeed. The cautionary tale of the RG3 trade shouldn't be "was RG3 worth it" or "who won the deal", the question should be is any player actually worth all of the players that those picks represent, regardless of who is doing the picking? I think you can safely say no, even Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck are not worth all of the players the Redskins had to give up to get RG3.

The thing that bothers me about RG3 and this forum is that we would be in a completely different place if we had a guy like him on our team. If you took the team in its current iteration and inserted a legitimate QB talent like RG3, we would be talking about the playoffs right now. The guy is a superior athlete, has amazing arm talent, is well spoken and good with the media, is a legitimate football star (something the Rams simply do not have), and he makes the Redskins relevant nearly singlehandedly. If 2016 rolls around the Redskins walk away from him, some team is going to be absolutely blessed that he fell into their laps. Personally, if the Rams and the city can suffer one more futile year at QB (cringe), pick the right guys to solidify the positions of need and sign RG3 in the offseason, he could be the one missing piece that takes this team from "up and comers" to elite NFC powerhouse.

But what do I know? I wanted Suh...
 

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The Washington organization, the league, and the media (ESPN) cultivated a culture where RG3 was the voice of the team. No doubt he is put in these situations time after time by the team and all those involved in an attempt to show that he is the standard bearer and the leader of that team.

What I don't get is why we have to call him names and disparage him the way we do. "RG-ME" or "RG-Whine" or whatever names, is here any doubt that if he were on a better team he would be much, much more successful? You want to talk about the bounty of picks the Rams received from Washington for him, those picks should have been players that would help him succeed. The cautionary tale of the RG3 trade shouldn't be "was RG3 worth it" or "who won the deal", the question should be is any player actually worth all of the players that those picks represent, regardless of who is doing the picking? I think you can safely say no, even Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck are not worth all of the players the Redskins had to give up to get RG3.

The thing that bothers me about RG3 and this forum is that we would be in a completely different place if we had a guy like him on our team. If you took the team in its current iteration and inserted a legitimate QB talent like RG3, we would be talking about the playoffs right now. The guy is a superior athlete, has amazing arm talent, is well spoken and good with the media, is a legitimate football star (something the Rams simply do not have), and he makes the Redskins relevant nearly singlehandedly. If 2016 rolls around the Redskins walk away from him, some team is going to be absolutely blessed that he fell into their laps. Personally, if the Rams and the city can suffer one more futile year at QB (cringe), pick the right guys to solidify the positions of need and sign RG3 in the offseason, he could be the one missing piece that takes this team from "up and comers" to elite NFC powerhouse.

But what do I know? I wanted Suh...
Meh. I don't think the guy sees the field well or studies the playbook the way he needs to in watching him play. To me that says that he puts himself over the staff and the team. I may think Gruden was an idiot for his comments but there is clearly frustration in that RGme isn't in the play as designed. He had a good rookie season but did anyone watch that and think he could survive in the NFL playing like that?

So no. I don't want him here and I don't think he will ever become a top caliber QB in this league until he learns to work at playing within a system.
 

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why did he decide to wear that stupid fucking outfit?

I just saw it today at the gym on one of the TV and he needs a dick punch for the hat selection. somebody needs to tell that fucking prima donna he's inside so you don't need a goddamn hat
 

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what he said was very bad. it ticked off his teammates and hc. that's why gruden, in front of the world, told him to shut the freak up and just worry about his own inept play.

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Well that's your opinion.
I guess we'll have to disagree.
 

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Bottom line is he is not good. His running threat and throwing jump balls style doesn't work with a limp.
 

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Meh. I don't think the guy sees the field well or studies the playbook the way he needs to in watching him play. To me that says that he puts himself over the staff and the team. I may think Gruden was an idiot for his comments but there is clearly frustration in that RGme isn't in the play as designed. He had a good rookie season but did anyone watch that and think he could survive in the NFL playing like that?

So no. I don't want him here and I don't think he will ever become a top caliber QB in this league until he learns to work at playing within a system.

Yeah Gruden went a little overboard , but then again we aren't the head coach there ,and RG pretty well acted as if he was by basically criticizing the play of others for his level of play.
I'm sure Gruden is not oblivious to the fact that it was Rg who got Shanahan fired and has probably been waiting for the moment when he was going to have to assert himself or let the kid run the team ,when in point of fact he hasn't even mastered the position.
As far as Irish's take all those draft choices they gave up, I read an article that said in place of those draft choices Washington was free to sign FA with the money so the talent didn't have to be as compromised as all that, George Allen got that franchise to the Super Bowl by acquiring veterans for draft choices ,in fact Dave Butz signed as a FA i think cost him two first round choices.
 

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Steve Young: Coaches have told me RG3 doesn’t put in the time

Posted by Michael David Smith on November 18, 2014, 12:50 PM EST
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Hall of Fame quarterback Steve Young says he knows the problem with Robert Griffin III: He doesn’t work hard enough.

Young said on the Michael Kay Show that he has spoken with coaches who have worked with Griffin, and those coaches told him that Griffin simply doesn’t spend the long hours studying film that an NFL quarterback needs.

“I’ve talked to his previous coaches, people I really trust and admire, that know quarterbacks. He doesn’t put the time in,” Young said.

Young didn’t mention any of those “previous coaches” by name, but it’s not a leap to infer that he’s referring to Mike Shanahan, who was Washington’s head coach for Griffin’s first two seasons. Shanahan was the 49ers’ offensive coordinator from 1992 to 1994, when Young was having his three best seasons as the 49ers’ starting quarterback. Shanahan and Young have been close for years.

According to Young, it’s the mental side of the game that makes a good quarterback in the NFL, and Young believes that Griffin needs to spend more time developing the mental side of the game during the offseason.

“Success is really about expertise,” Young said. “May, June, July work, and going to school.”

Much like Griffin, Young was once an athletic quarterback who needed time to learn how to be a pocket passer. Young thinks it’s harder for great runners like Griffin to develop as passers because they always assume they can fall back on running if they need to.

“Guys that can use their legs, it’s like they’re not desperate. Guys who can’t use their legs are more desperate so they’ll put more time in,” Young said.

And according to Young, Griffin isn’t putting the time in. That’s what’s holding him back.
 

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Where are all the people who wanted the Rams to select him and trade Bradford now? It looks like both could be considered questionable selections in hindsight. At least Bradford doesn't blame his teammates when he sucks.
 

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Steve Young: Coaches have told me RG3 doesn’t put in the time

Posted by Michael David Smith on November 18, 2014, 12:50 PM EST
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Hall of Fame quarterback Steve Young says he knows the problem with Robert Griffin III: He doesn’t work hard enough.

Young said on the Michael Kay Show that he has spoken with coaches who have worked with Griffin, and those coaches told him that Griffin simply doesn’t spend the long hours studying film that an NFL quarterback needs.

“I’ve talked to his previous coaches, people I really trust and admire, that know quarterbacks. He doesn’t put the time in,” Young said.

Young didn’t mention any of those “previous coaches” by name, but it’s not a leap to infer that he’s referring to Mike Shanahan, who was Washington’s head coach for Griffin’s first two seasons. Shanahan was the 49ers’ offensive coordinator from 1992 to 1994, when Young was having his three best seasons as the 49ers’ starting quarterback. Shanahan and Young have been close for years.

According to Young, it’s the mental side of the game that makes a good quarterback in the NFL, and Young believes that Griffin needs to spend more time developing the mental side of the game during the offseason.

“Success is really about expertise,” Young said. “May, June, July work, and going to school.”

Much like Griffin, Young was once an athletic quarterback who needed time to learn how to be a pocket passer. Young thinks it’s harder for great runners like Griffin to develop as passers because they always assume they can fall back on running if they need to.

“Guys that can use their legs, it’s like they’re not desperate. Guys who can’t use their legs are more desperate so they’ll put more time in,” Young said.

And according to Young, Griffin isn’t putting the time in. That’s what’s holding him back.
I don't know if he was predisposed to being an entitled baby, or if all of the attention/endorsement deals played a role in it. Guy came into the league and didn't do a single thing yet, and already had Subway, Gatorade, EA Sports, Adidas, etc signing him to mega deals. He earned more than any other rookie in NFL history before throwing his first regular-season pass. It's almost as if everybody was telling him he was great and maybe he bought into the hype himself. Why work hard when you're already an elite athlete? Seems like a waste of time (using that rationale).
 

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Where are all the people who wanted the Rams to select him and trade Bradford now? It looks like both could be considered questionable selections in hindsight. At least Bradford doesn't blame his teammates when he sucks.
I'm right here, I was on that ,and FWIW if that was the worst mistake I ever mad I'd be one happy MOFO, I wanted Suh instead of Bradford too, none of the three has gotten his team to the SB .
Thing is though HAD RG been drafted onto a team without the enormous ransom Washington paid, HAD he been drafted onto a team that didn't regularly have 30 beat writers with their nose up his ass like happens with east coast teams ,one never knows how much deeper his head would have been into earning the attention rather than having it showered upon him,and then there is the Fish factor ,IMO the Fish doesn't suffer diva's from the start and he wouldn't have had an owner fawning over him like a golden calf ready to fire a HC cuz he hurt his itty bitty feelings.

Griffin is to some degree a product of an environment and with a better environment he might be more humble , at his age adulation unearned can bring out the worst in a personality.