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ChrisW

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@Edwerderespn: Rams GM Les Snead pulled over driving son Logan to Manning Passing Academy to exercise picking OT Isaiah Battle 5th rnd supplemental draft


Think they didn't expect him to be there, or what?

Probably. But as a general rule, I think some teams just won't participate in the supplemental draft. But I applaud Snead, you've gotta take some chances to get a leg up on the competition in our division.
 

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So lets say, for the sake of argument that he wins the LT job. Do you consider G. Rob a bust if he gets moved inside to left guard?

100%. You don't draft a left guard second overall. That's the kind of thing that personnel folks lose their jobs over.

Its a good thing Robinson will end up being a very serviceable left tackle, and we won't have to worry about having that conversation, right? :p
 

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100%. You don't draft a left guard second overall. That's the kind of thing that personnel folks lose their jobs over.

Its a good thing Robinson will end up being a very serviceable left tackle, and we won't have to worry about having that conversation, right? :p

I'd rather have an elite guard than a serviceable left tackle with my 2nd overall pick.
 

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I'd rather have an elite guard than a serviceable left tackle with my 2nd overall pick.

Would you rather have an elite guard or Sammy Watkins, Mike Evans, Khalil Mack, Blake Bortles, or Anthony Barr? Because that is the conversation.

elite guards can be found on day 2 or 3, not with the second pick in the draft. 2nd overall picks define franchises. Left guards don't.
 

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I'm excited, this guy has a lot of natural talent and a 5th rounder is a pretty huge bargain imo.

That's now 5 talented rookie OL on our roster, I can't see how it's possible that at least 2 of them can't stick.
 

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Rams select Clemson's Isaiah Battle in supplemental draft

By Chase Goodbread
College Football 24/7 writer

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...-clemsons-isaiah-battle-in-supplemental-draft

Clemson offensive tackle Isaiah Battle was selected by the St. Louis Rams in the fifth round of the NFL Supplemental Draft on Thursday, the league announced.

With the pick, the Rams give up their fifth-round selection in the 2016 NFL Draft. Seven players had been ruled eligible for the supplemental draft -- Battle was the only one selected.

According to NFL Media analyst Lance Zierlein, the Rams are getting a player with the physical tools to play the left tackle position in the NFL, but one who comes with baggage that adds concern about his character. Meanwhile, the Rams are clearly serious about upgrading the offensive line that will block for 2015 first-round pick Todd Gurley and new quarterback Nick Foles. St. Louis chose four offensive linemen in the NFL draft two months ago, including two in the first three rounds, led by second-round pick Rob Havenstein of Wisconsin.

The supplemental draft setting, at least for the Rams, wasn't quite as intense as the league's annual draft in the spring. Rams Executive Vice President of Football Operations Kevin Demoff provided this serene peek into what he called the club's "war room" for the day:

Battle's pro day workout earlier this week drew representatives from 25 NFL clubs, and according to NFL Media senior analyst Gil Brandt, Battle ran 40-yard dash times of 5.21 and 5.29 seconds.

Off-field issues clouded Battle's college career. He was suspended for punching a North Carolina State player in 2013 and was suspended for an undisclosed violation of team rules last year. He was cited for marijuana possession and speeding last month, according to The Clemson Insider.

At 6-foot-6, 312 pounds and with a wingspan of 85 1/4 inches, Battle has the length NFL clubs look for in a tackle.

Other players eligible for the supplemental draft were defensive linemen Darrius Caldwell and Dalvon Stuckey of West Georgia, Houston defensive end Eric Eiland, UConn tight end Sean McQuillan, Kansas defensive back Kevin Short and North Carolina Central wide receiver Adrian Wilkins. Those players became unrestricted free agents upon completion of the supplemental draft.

Prior to Battle, the most recent selection in the supplemental draft was the Cleveland Browns' choice of wide receiver Josh Gordon in the second round in 2012.
 

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Josh Norris is an NFL Draft Analyst for Rotoworld and contributed to the Rams scouting department during training camp of 2010 and the 2011 NFL Draft.

Impressed I am not.
 

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The dude bulked up from his listed 290 to like 315 and hes talented. Competition breeds success and we have finally got that in spades along the oline for the first time in a long long time. Let all these young hungry big men fight it out in training camp and start the best 5. I love this move. We are all of a sudden loaded with young talent on the oline and I'm loving it!
 

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Love this move. He has first round talent, maybe a bit of a project but he's extremely talented. Not concerned about his off the field issues, obviously Fisher thought he could clean that up, and he usually does, see Janoris/Ogletree etc.
 

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elite guards can be found on day 2 or 3, not with the second pick in the draft. 2nd overall picks define franchises. Left guards don't.

Elite WR's & LBs can be found on the 2nd day of the draft as well. BTW, of the Final 4 NFL teams last year, I believe not one had a 1st round WR on their roster. And only one of those 4 teams had a top 10 pick at QB (Luck).


Teams are built many ways and if you can find a dominant player that's great, and it does not matter where he plays or what round he was chosen in.
 

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Rams take OT Isaiah Battle in NFL's Supplemental Draft
By Rob Rang | The Sports Xchange/CBSSports.com
July 9, 2015 2:19 pm ET

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/...e-ot-isaiah-battle-in-nfls-supplemental-draft

The 2015 Supplemental Draft came and went Thursday with the St. Louis Rams investing a fifth-round pick in former Clemson left tackle Isaiah Battle, making him the first player selected in the NFL's annual "summer second-chance draft" since 2012.

Battle was one of seven players ruled eligible by the NFL but the only one selected. The other six -- West Georgia edge rusher Darrius Caldwell, Houston defensive end Eric Eiland, Connecticut tight end Sean McQuillan, Kansas defensive back Kevin Short, West Georgia defensive tackle Dalvon Stuckey and North Carolina Central wideout and returner Adrian Wilkins -- are now considered street free agents and may sign with any club. A breakdown of each player can be read here.

The selection of Battle is a fascinating decision by Rams' general manager Les Snead and head coach Jeff Fisher as St. Louis invested heavily in offensive linemen only a few months ago, spending second, third, fourth and sixth round picks on Rob Havenstein, Jamon Brown, Andrew Donnal and Cody Wichmann, respectively. Havenstein and Brown lined up with the first team at right tackle and right guard during the Rams' OTA sessions.

Havenstein and Battle could duke it out for the starting right tackle position, opposite left tackle Greg Robinson, the No. 2 overall pick in 2014.

Battle played in 27 games for the Tigers over the past three seasons, starting 11 of 12 games at left tackle a year ago and 16 contests, overall. He did not allow a sack in the 12 regular season games in 2014.

Physically speaking, Battle is exactly what NFL scouts are looking for at the tackle position. His combination of height (6-foot-6, 312 pounds), arm length (35 3/8") and easy movement make Battle a potentially formidable pass blocker as edge rushers struggle to get around him. He's also quick to the second level when run blocking and can re-direct to hit moving targets once there.

While undeniably gifted, Battle remains quite raw and some scouts questioned whether he had the competitiveness to ever take full advantage of his talent. Battle offers only average functional strength at this time and too often bends at the waist rather than at the knees, which leaves him vulnerable to the bull rush and counters back to the inside.

Concerns about Battle's playing strength were only enflamed after he completed just 12 repetitions of 225 pounds at his Pro Day workout before cramping up. As a point of comparison, the lowest number of repetitions in the bench press by any tackle selected in the 2015 draft was 16 ... from Havenstein.

Lapses in technique and below average weight room strength were viewed by some scouts as examples of Battle's laziness on the field. Like most of the other players available each year in the Supplemental Draft, Battle's decisions off the field threatened his eligibility, which is why he declared early.

In a statement on Clemson's official athletic website, Battle cited family obligations as a reason for his pursuing the NFL early. Battle also failed several drug tests at Clemson, NFLDraftScout.com learned.

The Supplemental Draft is very different from the media bonanza that occurs each spring. It is carried out via e-mail among teams and is not televised. The selection order is different as well.

The teams are slotted into three groups based on their won/loss percentage the previous year and are then placed in a lottery with the official order not being released to the public. According to multiple league sources, the Jacksonville Jaguars "won" this year's lottery and held the first pick of each round of the 2015 Supplemental Draft and the Seattle Seahawks, not the Super Bowl winning New England Patriots, were awarded the final pick. The Rams were given the 8th overall pick.

Teams interested in selecting a player contact the league via email with a list of the prospects they would draft and the round in which they would take them. As such, it is possible that another team picking after the Rams also placed a 5th round bid on Battle but lost out because St. Louis was slotted ahead of them.

It was originally created for players who had lost their eligibility between the primary NFL Draft in April and the beginning of the next season. Typically they are players who ran afoul of the law or failed to keep up with their academic obligations. A total of 44 players have now been selected since the draft's inception in 1977. Among the most notable Supplemental selections were quarterback Bernie Kosar (Cleveland, 1985), wide receiver Cris Carter (Philadelphia, 1987), linebacker Brian Bosworth (Seattle, 1987) and, most recently, wide receiver Josh Gordon (Cleveland, 2012).

Of the remaining prospects, the two former West Georgia standouts -- Caldwell and Stuckey -- are likeliest to attract attention as undrafted free agents.

The 6-foot-5, 238 pound Caldwell dominated the Gulf South Conference last season -- his first at that level -- to the tune of 18.5 tackles for loss and 12 sacks after initially signing with Illinois out of high school, where he recorded 17 tackles, including five for loss and 2.5 sacks in 2012 after redshirting a year earlier.

Academic issues forced him out of the Big Ten in 2013, however, and Caldwell landed at Pearl City Community College, where despite only posting 12 tackles and four tackles for loss, he earned an offer from Arizona State and was hyped as a possible replacement at Devil-backer for Carl Bradford, a 2014 fourth round pick of the Green Bay Packers. Academics once again pushed Caldwell out, however, and he ultimately wound up at West Georgia, where he recorded 69 total tackles and led the conference in sacks.

Caldwell is agile for his size and flashes explosiveness off the edge but lacks the bulk to remain at defensive end, projecting best as a standup rush linebacker for a predominately 3-4 scheme.

Stuckey initially signed with Florida State out of high school but also struggled with academics. He offers intriguing size at 6-foot-4, 313 pounds and flashed playmaking ability last year, recording 40 tackles, including nine tackles for loss, four sacks and three forced fumbles. He's stout at the point of attack and flashes a burst to penetrate.

Battle and any other players signed following the draft are immediately eligible to play in the NFL. The Rams will get their first look at Battle in uniform when training camp opens for rookies on July 27.
 

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WOW! I never thought this would happen!
I didn't want us to spend a future draft pick, But a 5th rounder I can live with!
Now we REALLY have a lot of competition on the O-Line! But Battle will start behind the curve!! Good luck to him!
 

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Love this move. He has first round talent, maybe a bit of a project but he's extremely talented. Not concerned about his off the field issues, obviously Fisher thought he could clean that up, and he usually does, see Janoris/Ogletree etc.
Not sure how you can say he's got first round talent when he goes in 5th round of supplemental draft where experts had him going in the 4th. He'll be lucky to make the team IMO.
 

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Regarding his bench and workout numbers, you have to remember this kid probably did not train nearly as long as the other rookies did for the combine especially if he just recently decided to come out. plus long arms make it difficult to put up big bench numbers. Would expect had he gone to one of these training facilities, like others did when they got ready for the combine, he would of put up much better numbers.
 

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Not sure how you can say he's got first round talent when he goes in 5th round of supplemental draft where experts had him going in the 4th. He'll be lucky to make the team IMO.

Supplemental picks never go that high and especially at his position when you consider this kid already missed all the OTA's, has yet to see the playbook, and will generally be a little out of shape at this point. So he will likely have no impact this year so you are taking a kid and giving him a 4 year contract and at best you might get 3 good years
 

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Man this OL could be scary if all our new linemen can reach their potential.
I guess one way to look at it is... the more guys available, the better the chances you can fill all the openings.

All these youngsters vying for a starting job on that line?

Man, it's gonna be a Battle Royale!
:ROFLMAO:
 

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Elite WR's & LBs can be found on the 2nd day of the draft as well. BTW, of the Final 4 NFL teams last year, I believe not one had a 1st round WR on their roster. And only one of those 4 teams had a top 10 pick at QB (Luck).


Teams are built many ways and if you can find a dominant player that's great, and it does not matter where he plays or what round he was chosen in.

Can you please point me in the direction of the last Hall of Fame/Pro Bowl/All Madden guard taken in the top 5 of the NFL draft? Because I can sure as heck point you towards WRs, LTs, LBs, and QBs on the Final 4 NFL teams from the past 20 years that can claim that.

I will even provide a list for you to work from.

http://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/positions/g


You misunderstand what I am saying: I think Greg Robinson will end up being a top 15 LT in the league, which is totally acceptable and good enough to win a Super Bowl. But he is only worth his draft position if he ends up being a top 15 LT. If he is a top 2 left guard he is a total bust, because you totally failed on getting #2 overall value out of your #2 overall pick.
 

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Not sure how you can say he's got first round talent when he goes in 5th round of supplemental draft where experts had him going in the 4th. He'll be lucky to make the team IMO.

Supplemental draft is completely different than the regular draft. Not really comparable.

If Battle played well in 2015, he would have been a 1st round pick. He's talented.

Instead, he declared for the Supplemental for whatever reason. Because it's a huge risk and teams don't have as much time to do their research, players tend to go lower. That doesn't mean they aren't 1st round talents though.

It's similar to the La'El Collins situation in a way. Yeah, he should have gone in the first round. But he had a major issue keeping him from going there. So he dropped.

Battle is the same way, except he's a pot smoking asshole who punches players instead of a potential murderer.

Janoris would have been top 10 in the 2012 draft if he didn't have those issues. Instead he fell to the 2nd.