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Rams don't draw rave reviews from draft experts
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  • Alden GonzalezESPN Staff Writer
http://www.espn.com/blog/los-angele...ams-dont-draw-rave-reviews-from-draft-experts


The highest-graded team in the draft by Mel Kiper Jr.: The Los Angeles Chargers.

The lowest-graded team in the draft by Mel Kiper Jr.: The Los Angeles Rams.

The Chargers, who took receiver Mike Williams and guard Forrest Lamp with their first two picks, got an "A," tied with a Patriots team that did not have a first- or second-round pick. The Rams, who had tight end Gerald Everett, among others, rated higher than most draft boards, were the only team to wear a "C-".

Time will be the ultimate decider, but history is not on their side.

The Washington Post recently took a very interesting route towards analyzing the success of teams' drafts, utilizing Pro Football Reference's all-encompassing stat Approximate Value. The Post took the cumulative Approximate Value for the first five years of each player drafted from 1996 to 2016 and compared it to the expected Approximate Value for each draft slot, making it easy to compare teams based on the difference ("AV Gap").

Mel Kiper Jr., ESPN: C-

It would be a lot easier to stamp this draft grade "INCOMPLETE" and move on, because so much of it is wrapped up in Jared Goff. He is the reason they didn't have a first-round pick in 2017, and I certainly don't think it's fair to close the book on him. He had no chance last year with a lack of blocking (run or pass) and stone-handed pass-catching. If Sean McVay can unlock Goff's talent, then last year's grade and this year's grade look a lot better. In the meantime ... Aside from the Goff issue, I just consistently saw the Rams' selections as a little bit rich. I like the plan -- go get pass-catchers for Goff -- but the value just suffered a little. I had Everett at No. 111 on my board, and he went at 44. I really like Cooper Kupp but would have gone with Chris Godwin or Josh Malone before him. Josh Reynolds can make great plays on the ball even while covered, but it was another case in which the Rams had him a bit higher than I did. John Johnson has some solid tape, but he didn't test well, and size is a question mark. I had him down as a likelier Day 3 pick.

Chris Burke, Sports Illustrated: C

This was kind of a bizarre draft for the Rams, who didn't have a Round 1 pick because of their trade to take Jared Goff last year. After sitting out Thursday's proceedings, GM Les Snead then spent three of his first four picks on pass catchers -- TE Gerald Everett (a reach at 44), WR Cooper Kupp (No. 59) and WR Josh Reynolds (No. 119). Reynolds may be the best of the bunch, and he very well could wind up the No. 1 receiver before long on what's now a muddled receiver depth chart. Versatile safety John Johnson (No. 91) and DT Tanzel Smart (No. 189) should see time early in Wade Phillips' defense. OLB Samson Ebukam (No. 125) also could, as a pass rusher. But the Rams really overloaded at the skill positions, which is an unusual choice for a rebuilding team.

Rob Rang, CBS: C+

With 2016 No. 1 overall pick Jared Goff struggling as a rookie, it was obvious that the Rams needed to find him more dynamic weapons. Unfortunately for Los Angeles, after the massive trade up last year to land the former Cal product the team was missing its first round pick to do so -- a problem exacerbated with a surprising early run on pass-catchers. The Rams responded by using three of their first four picks on weapons for Goff, landing joker tight end Gerald Everett with their first pick (No. 44 overall), Eastern Washington's Cooper Kupp with their second (69) and Texas A&M's vertical threat Josh Reynolds (117) with their fourth selection. Despite his small school background, Kupp (whose father and grandfather both played in the NFL) is far and away the most polished of the group, standing out against Pac-12 and Senior Bowl competition.

Chad Reuter, NFL: B-


Tight end was a need position for the Rams, and Gerald Everett's ability to get off the line smoothly is quite impressive. They might consider him a receiver. It might have been a tick early for him, however -- not unlike when they chose Lance Kendricks a bit early in 2011. Cooper Kupp's feet are as quick as any in the draft, even if his 40 time wasn't great. Third-round safety John Johnson is liked by scouts for his ability to handle multiple roles in the secondary. The Rams couldn't help but build up their offense with a solid receiver in Josh Reynolds, and got a potential pass-rush specialist in Samson Ebukam -- two solid picks. Getting fullback Sam Rogers in the sixth will help Todd Gurley and the special teams units. The Rams needed to find a cornerback (or two), but couldn't meet all their needs in eight picks. Jared Goff will be given the opportunity to excel with this talent around him.

Doug Farrar, Bleacher Report: B-

Taking Everett with the 44th overall pick seems like a reach, especially since the Rams had no first-round pick. The Kupp pick seems more in line, and he'll help Jared Goff immediately. The real steal in this receiver haul might be Reynolds, a thin target who needs to bulk up and fill out his route tree. However, he has the acceleration to take cornerbacks and safeties all the way downfield. Smart and Price are interesting undersized hybrid players for Wade Phillips.
 

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I agree....Some thoughts after a few days of looking at some film.
I don't think our FB is a blocking FB.....how does he help Gurley again? I'm move Malcolm Brown to FB too.
I wonder where did the FO/Snead/McVay rate Josh Malone, Mack Hollins, and Robert Davis as compared to Reynolds? I think those guys catch the contested ball a little better. No worries...At least we got one of them.
Gerald Everett is the key to this draft. I look at the last 5 drafts. And other than Donald....maybe Tree, which of the top 3 round picks are difference makers? How many drafts can you miss on picking up players that win games in the top 2 or 3 rounds?
Kupp....I'm in show me mode.
Snead continues to draft the later rounds very well. UDFA's too. It's concerning that his late round steals are more noticeable than his day 1 or 2 picks......
Josh Johnson...he's tied to Everett IMO. I'm sure had we grabbed a safety in day 2...and a TE on day 3, we'd be better off....This is a trust in McVay moment for me.....:cautious::popcorn:
 

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draft "experts." The real experts are on the team staff. Not at BleacherReport :D
 

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I am really contemptuous of draft experts...oh, they have knowledge. but their "picks" are no more valid than anyone else's pick. These draft grades are absolutely premature and useless.
 

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So how many picks did these experts get right this year or any years in the recent past?
 

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Rams don't draw rave reviews from draft experts
May 2, 2017
  • Alden GonzalezESPN Staff Writer
http://www.espn.com/blog/los-angele...ams-dont-draw-rave-reviews-from-draft-experts


The highest-graded team in the draft by Mel Kiper Jr.: The Los Angeles Chargers.

The lowest-graded team in the draft by Mel Kiper Jr.: The Los Angeles Rams.

The Chargers, who took receiver Mike Williams and guard Forrest Lamp with their first two picks, got an "A," tied with a Patriots team that did not have a first- or second-round pick. The Rams, who had tight end Gerald Everett, among others, rated higher than most draft boards, were the only team to wear a "C-".

Time will be the ultimate decider, but history is not on their side.

The Washington Post recently took a very interesting route towards analyzing the success of teams' drafts, utilizing Pro Football Reference's all-encompassing stat Approximate Value. The Post took the cumulative Approximate Value for the first five years of each player drafted from 1996 to 2016 and compared it to the expected Approximate Value for each draft slot, making it easy to compare teams based on the difference ("AV Gap").

Mel Kiper Jr., ESPN: C-

It would be a lot easier to stamp this draft grade "INCOMPLETE" and move on, because so much of it is wrapped up in Jared Goff. He is the reason they didn't have a first-round pick in 2017, and I certainly don't think it's fair to close the book on him. He had no chance last year with a lack of blocking (run or pass) and stone-handed pass-catching. If Sean McVay can unlock Goff's talent, then last year's grade and this year's grade look a lot better. In the meantime ... Aside from the Goff issue, I just consistently saw the Rams' selections as a little bit rich. I like the plan -- go get pass-catchers for Goff -- but the value just suffered a little. I had Everett at No. 111 on my board, and he went at 44. I really like Cooper Kupp but would have gone with Chris Godwin or Josh Malone before him. Josh Reynolds can make great plays on the ball even while covered, but it was another case in which the Rams had him a bit higher than I did. John Johnson has some solid tape, but he didn't test well, and size is a question mark. I had him down as a likelier Day 3 pick.

Chris Burke, Sports Illustrated: C

This was kind of a bizarre draft for the Rams, who didn't have a Round 1 pick because of their trade to take Jared Goff last year. After sitting out Thursday's proceedings, GM Les Snead then spent three of his first four picks on pass catchers -- TE Gerald Everett (a reach at 44), WR Cooper Kupp (No. 59) and WR Josh Reynolds (No. 119). Reynolds may be the best of the bunch, and he very well could wind up the No. 1 receiver before long on what's now a muddled receiver depth chart. Versatile safety John Johnson (No. 91) and DT Tanzel Smart (No. 189) should see time early in Wade Phillips' defense. OLB Samson Ebukam (No. 125) also could, as a pass rusher. But the Rams really overloaded at the skill positions, which is an unusual choice for a rebuilding team.

Rob Rang, CBS: C+

With 2016 No. 1 overall pick Jared Goff struggling as a rookie, it was obvious that the Rams needed to find him more dynamic weapons. Unfortunately for Los Angeles, after the massive trade up last year to land the former Cal product the team was missing its first round pick to do so -- a problem exacerbated with a surprising early run on pass-catchers. The Rams responded by using three of their first four picks on weapons for Goff, landing joker tight end Gerald Everett with their first pick (No. 44 overall), Eastern Washington's Cooper Kupp with their second (69) and Texas A&M's vertical threat Josh Reynolds (117) with their fourth selection. Despite his small school background, Kupp (whose father and grandfather both played in the NFL) is far and away the most polished of the group, standing out against Pac-12 and Senior Bowl competition.

Chad Reuter, NFL: B-


Tight end was a need position for the Rams, and Gerald Everett's ability to get off the line smoothly is quite impressive. They might consider him a receiver. It might have been a tick early for him, however -- not unlike when they chose Lance Kendricks a bit early in 2011. Cooper Kupp's feet are as quick as any in the draft, even if his 40 time wasn't great. Third-round safety John Johnson is liked by scouts for his ability to handle multiple roles in the secondary. The Rams couldn't help but build up their offense with a solid receiver in Josh Reynolds, and got a potential pass-rush specialist in Samson Ebukam -- two solid picks. Getting fullback Sam Rogers in the sixth will help Todd Gurley and the special teams units. The Rams needed to find a cornerback (or two), but couldn't meet all their needs in eight picks. Jared Goff will be given the opportunity to excel with this talent around him.

Doug Farrar, Bleacher Report: B-

Taking Everett with the 44th overall pick seems like a reach, especially since the Rams had no first-round pick. The Kupp pick seems more in line, and he'll help Jared Goff immediately. The real steal in this receiver haul might be Reynolds, a thin target who needs to bulk up and fill out his route tree. However, he has the acceleration to take cornerbacks and safeties all the way downfield. Smart and Price are interesting undersized hybrid players for Wade Phillips.
The title of this thread should have been " Rams don't draw Rave reviews from ' So Called' Draft experts!:LOL:
 

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The draft experts also thought Aaron Donald was too small. I like the Rams picks! Nothing else matters.
 

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Yeah, I'll echo the prevalent sentiment here, and say that getting a bad grade because your board didn't match up to that of the media-member(s) grading you is rather unscientific in regards to actually evaluating the talent a team acquired and the fit that talent has in the system run by the picking team.

One thing I've heard, listening to podcasts where football analysts/experts are hosts, or are interviewed, is that the sports-journalists generally hate draft grades as much as we do. It's something they are required to do, something that garners clicks and readers, but that they acknowledge is a completely inane exercise.

So, there's that.

All that being said, I still enjoy the read, and what it does do is measure how far from the road of mainstream-opinion your team might be treading. In this case, I don't think this draft was necessarily about taking the top talent regardless of fit. The Rams have talent. They need scheme- and culture-fits, and that seems to be what they went after, and that seems to have been part of the evaluation that drove certain guys up their board. And I'm fine with that. A team trying to change its character as quickly and as drastically as we are will need to sacrifice some raw powerpicks for more designed ones, that can help the whole roster grow and shift.

As many have expressed, the real grades, the grades that matter, are given over the next 3 years as we see what the players (ours and those we could have picked) become.
 

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In this case, I don't think this draft was necessarily about taking the top talent regardless of fit. The Rams have talent. They need scheme- and culture-fits, and that seems to be what they went after, and that seems to have been part of the evaluation that drove certain guys up their board.
Really agree with this. Great points...couple of questions:
Is this a wise strategy? I mean....everyone says BPA....or you'll continue picking in the top 5 every year.
Curious, you stationed over there?
 

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Not stationed, actually, I taught English in Korea for two years. Back in California now, keep forgetting to change my location.

As far as whether it's a wise strategy... I'm no authority, and I wouldn't say I'm even particularly knowledgeable. That being said, I think it's always going to be a gamble, either way. In the front 20, maybe even 30 picks of the draft (and each draft is different), I would say going BPA at all times is the usually the right move, all factors considered, because the talent there is more outstanding/separated, evaluations more objective and obvious. Where we started picking, I think not only is drafting-strategy more subjective, but evaluations tend to be as well. So at that point, I think it's wise to take players you see a place or need for in your scheme and locker room (as long as you're not abandoning talent-evaluation and grading entirely, which the Rams, I believe, didn't).

Anyway, it all just comes down to: will the players be productive. And that's always a wait and see question.

: / Sorry that's terribly unhelpful.
 

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Where we started picking, I think not only is drafting-strategy more subjective, but evaluations tend to be as well. So at that point, I think it's wise to take players you see a place or need for in your scheme and locker room (as long as you're not abandoning talent-evaluation and grading entirely, which the Rams, I believe, didn't).
Naw, I get'cha.....
This was an incredibly deep draft. The 3rd & 4th rounds was especially rich. I think the resurgence of the RB position (thanks Todd G, Zeke, and dude at Diego)...and the usual inflation of the QB's actual worth, and the fall of some players due to character concerns is the cause for this. But there was serious talent in the 3rd round...
I see talent...hell all these kids have talent. But game changing talent...we shall see.
 

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Nothing to get upset about. First off, we had no 1st round pick and second "experts" dont factor in how players fit in a system. Grading a team with no 1st round pick is typically going to get you a C type rating.

Personally not a fan of this draft, but I feel like everyone they drafted has a predetermined role heading into OTA and TC. I have been barking for years to draft players that fit and so now it appears they have. So for this I am excited to see how this is going to pan out. Even though, I am not a huge fan of this draft class now, I have a feeling I may look back in 3 years and say this was a great draft.
 

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Good, so that means in two years these wannabes will look back and call our draft genius.

Every time I hear about these so called experts call a teams draft garbage they end up being good. Every time they call a teams draft (besides the pats) brilliant they end up being flunks.

Most of these same guys called Fishers drafts brilliant ....need i say more?
 

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I feel like all people look at is the big names and if you don't get any big names, welp horrible draft!

It seems as if the Rams drafted very smart, high character guys. I like this approach because these guys will come in, learn and understand their roles, and then hopefully execute on the field.

During Fisher's years here, guys have run wrong routes, busted coverages on defense, stupid penalties... I expect under McVay that this team plays a bit smarter. Less bullshit.
 

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I feel like all people look at is the big names and if you don't get any big names, welp horrible draft!........................During Fisher's years here, guys have run wrong routes, busted coverages on defense, stupid penalties... I expect under McVay that this team plays a bit smarter. Less bullcrap.
Not true at all....big names mean nothing...look at the way the so called "big names" play...in big games, versus serious competition. Hell, most of the guys on this site that watch a BUNCH of college games seem to all see similar players that look pretty good....
Smart guys huh? I keep hearing this....yet for some reason, when a QB says he doesn't know from which direction the sun rises it means nothing? Yet our new coach...old coach too, loves him....Yeah, we're looking for smart guys. Einsteins.... Give me a break. Guys that don't run the right routes...guys that don't know who to block...guys that can't remember the snap count...and guys that don't remember their defensive liability...at this level....all boils down to coaching....if a guy messes up, bench him...he keeps messing up, cut him. Part of coaching is realizing what you have, what they know, what they can do...and what they can't do...or remember. Coaching. You put last years staff on the Patriots and I bet their penalty count goes up....not holding...not the PI's....the silly penalties...jumping off sides...personal fouls....it goes back to coaching...because they allow the players to become undisciplined. Hell, even Donald started to do that stuff. Gurley too.
I feel ya...no reason to not take one...and instead pick up ....Johnson?
 

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Naw, I get'cha.....
This was an incredibly deep draft. The 3rd & 4th rounds was especially rich. I think the resurgence of the RB position (thanks Todd G, Zeke, and dude at Diego)...and the usual inflation of the QB's actual worth, and the fall of some players due to character concerns is the cause for this. But there was serious talent in the 3rd round...
I see talent...hell all these kids have talent. But game changing talent...we shall see.
Excellent point Champ.I would like add however that, Bradford sucks donkey balls.
And that pretty much covers it,I think.
 

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I've always thought if teams don't follow the "draft experts" recommendations they get down graded by them, especially teams who struggle every year. It gets back to the GM, coaches, and scouts to determine the best fit for the team. Not necessarily does it mean taking the best player available. The guys drafted this year do address certain needs, yet we can't address everything all at once. It does take time, especially with a new coaching staff. I trust the coaches evaluation of the current roster and drafting those players who will help the team in the long run. We all want to see instant success, but it's going to take time getting the right group of players to see consistent success. We can't have immediate success then have it fall off. Steady improvement each week during the season, regardless of the outcome is my hope for 2017. I want to see them peaking at the end of the season rather than week 4.
 

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I remember some experts giving Pete Carrolls first draft an F...

Then the same ones criticized the next two drafts

How'd that turn out?
 

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Experts at what? Praising teams for agreeing with them and criticizing them for disagreeing with them?


That is a pretty sweet deal if you ask me. Become a self appointed authority and people hang on your every word despite never having to prove your expertise.