Oak may be a drakhorse in a trade down

OhioRam · Dec 30, 2013

To get QB JM he sell a lot of tickets in Oakland and they sit at number 5

duckhunter · Dec 30, 2013

Nothing against you Ohio but this is getting weirder and weirder and we've only just begun.

I've got to check my blood pressure and take some more medicine.

I'm skipping beats on more than one level.

SC-Ram78 · Dec 30, 2013

No way JM goes in the top 5. But you never know, after all it is Oakland

OhioRam · Dec 30, 2013

He looks like the 2nd best qb to me

-X- · Dec 30, 2013

SC-Ram78 said:
No way JM goes in the top 5. But you never know, after all it is Oakland

The Browns are reportedly interested in Manziel (at #4).

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000306992/article/report-browns-brass-likes-johnny-manziel

SC-Ram78 · Dec 30, 2013

He has had a stud OL and a stud receiver in Evans his whole career. How many times has he just thrown jumps balls in the air to Evans? In the nfl those are INTs all day

SC-Ram78 · Dec 30, 2013

-X- said:
The Browns are reportedly interested in Manziel (at #4).

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000306992/article/report-browns-brass-likes-johnny-manziel

. I see that, don't get me wrong the kid has talent. I just don't see him translating to the nfl. Let the browns pick him at number 4. They will just be looking for a new qb in two years like they are doing now with Weeden

-X- · Dec 30, 2013

SC-Ram78 said:
. I see that, don't get me wrong the kid has talent. I just don't see him translating to the nfl. Let the browns pick him at number 4. They will just be looking for a new qb in two years like they are doing now with Weeden

Oh, don't get me wrong either. I'm not championing Manziel. It's just the way it is every year. QBs are the hot commodity for teams that don't have that guy on the team, and they'll overspend to get one. Even if it means over-reaching in the draft as well. We can only hope that all of these QB's stocks rise exponentially after the combine and their subsequent pro days. That makes our spot (thanks Snyder!) much more valuable.

SC-Ram78 · Dec 30, 2013

-X- said:
Oh, don't get me wrong either. I'm not championing Manziel. It's just the way it is every year. QBs are the hot commodity for teams that don't have that guy on the team, and they'll overspend to get one. Even if it means over-reaching in the draft as well. We can only hope that all of these QB's stocks rise exponentially after the combine and their subsequent pro days. That makes our spot (thanks Snyder!) much more valuable.

You make a great point. And I would love for a QB needy team to trade us 2 first rounders for our number 2 pick. It would be like Christmas all over again

and if it was someone like Cleveland or Oakland atleast we know we would have another high pick the next year lol

V3 · Dec 30, 2013

SC-Ram78 said:
He has had a stud OL and a stud receiver in Evans his whole career. How many times has he just thrown jumps balls in the air to Evans? In the nfl those are INTs all day

I don't know. Watch some tape on him. There were plenty of times where his line didn't protect him or the WR's didn't get open and JM had to run for his life and he'd create something out of nothing. He reminds me A LOT of Romo in that regard. An added plus is that he doesn't choke like Romo. From what I've seen of him, his only downside is his size and perhaps ego but sometimes that's a good thing for a pro athlete.

LesBaker · Dec 30, 2013

The weather is a little different back home in CLE (don't miss it lol) than it is in the south.

But if they want him let's hope Snead fleeces them!

OhioRam · Dec 30, 2013

If rams trade dowm with Cleveland I just don't see them getting more than a 3rd this year and first next....maybe 2 2nds..now oak or another tem may be willing to give up more

lockdnram21 · Dec 30, 2013

oak dont need a qb they need a reciver and a o line. that mcgloin kid was doing well

SC-Ram78 · Dec 30, 2013

V3 said:
I don't know. Watch some tape on him. There were plenty of times where his line didn't protect him or the WR's didn't get open and JM had to run for his life and he'd create something out of nothing. He reminds me A LOT of Romo in that regard. An added plus is that he doesn't choke like Romo. From what I've seen of him, his only downside is his size and perhaps ego but sometimes that's a good thing for a pro athlete.

I have watched tape. So you don't think his arm strength is a down side? And romo is not a good comparison. Romo has and elite arm and JM doesn't. That's all there is to it

….. · Dec 30, 2013

In todays NFL, you need a quarterback who can create.

Manziel certainly creates.

SC-Ram78 · Dec 30, 2013

Dog said:
In todays NFL, you need a quarterback who can create.

Manziel certainly creates.

Creates turnovers lol :razz:

RamsOfCastamere · Dec 30, 2013

-X- said:
Oh, don't get me wrong either. I'm not championing Manziel. It's just the way it is every year. QBs are the hot commodity for teams that don't have that guy on the team, and they'll overspend to get one. Even if it means over-reaching in the draft as well. We can only hope that all of these QB's stocks rise exponentially after the combine and their subsequent pro days. That makes our spot (thanks Snyder!) much more valuable.

I don't want all of them to rise because that means some teams may be willing to wait. I want TWO to rise exponentially, and the rest have shitty pro days. That way teams would feel like they HAVE to trade with us.

iced · Dec 30, 2013

if lovie smith goes to the bucs, it's either them or cleveland, imo, for a trade down..especially if mcdaniels goes to cleveland..

lovie's defense has always been predicated on getting pressure with the front 4 - there's your clowney trade. peppers in chicago is a good example.

mcdaniels and qb's, nuff said lol

V3 · Dec 30, 2013

SC-Ram78 said:
I have watched tape. So you don't think his arm strength is a down side? And romo is not a good comparison. Romo has and elite arm and JM doesn't. That's all there is to it

The link to Romo was in terms of his ability to ad lib when things break down and his escapability. That's all I was comparing the two on. His arm might be a little bit of an issue but it wasn't an issue in the SEC and it's full of NFL CB's. Plus arm strength can be helped to an extent. I kinda see him arm being similar to Brees. Brees' arm is not that strong. I personally think arm strength is overrated for QB's in the NFL. You need some strength but accuracy is WAY more important. He has shown pocket presence in college and the tendency to keep his eyes down field, which is also important.

I think that if JM can get the mental side of the NFL down, he'll be a solid QB. I think the physical abilities are good enough to succeed. I'm not sure he'd be elite but solid- assuming he can "get it".

moklerman · Dec 30, 2013

iced said:
if lovie smith goes to the bucs, it's either them or cleveland, imo, for a trade down..especially if mcdaniels goes to cleveland..

lovie's defense has always been predicated on getting pressure with the front 4 - there's your clowney trade. peppers in chicago is a good example.

mcdaniels and qb's, nuff said lol

You don't think McDaniels would give Hoyer a chance at the job?

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