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They won’t have an issue getting any of these guys on to the practice squad.
I only wonder if Liram doesn’t make the Rams, does he sign with a CFL team? Surely would pay more than a PS slot

Pretty much can guarantee if he doesn't win the job he'll be back in the CFL. He's 30 already and is taking his shot to start. In my opinion Sloman is the only one they would use a PS spot for.
 

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I agree that the narrative would be totally different if GZ makes that FG in Seattle. Rams sweep the seahags. Make the playoffs. The perception totally changes entering the offseason. Even though its still the same team, same circumstances. Warts and all.

Funny how one missed kick totally changed everything. Make the playoffs and the Rams are considered a contender. Just need to tweak a few things. Miss the playoffs and the Rams window has closed and they're rebuilding. One kick changed everything.

This was one of the strangest moments in my life. My son and I were at the game, and after the Rams were in a position to make this kick, the entire stadium full of Seahag fans were dead silent, expecting the inevitable loss. I have doubted GZ on quite a few occasions (especially the easy ones as he seemed to lose focus), but in this situation with the game on the line, I thought he was MONEY. No way in a million years he misses this kick. This was the start of a return run to the SB.

When he missed, there were some cheers from the home fans obviously, but there was the weird feeling that something wasn't quite right. The entire walk back to our car we spoke with dozens of fans who seemed in shock.

Like we were all somehow in the darkest timeline...
 

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The Rams have said they are most concerned with FGs in the 40-49 range. They understand accuracy is paramount and trumps strength every time. Greg's history of FG's in that range was good at 77%. Greg was money under 40 but after that is when his problems start. Looking at just the last two years the Rams had reason to be concerned. Greg attempted 17 FG in that desired range. He only made 9 of them for a 53% success rate. His trend was down over the past two years. His history in that range is bolstered by his previous years and that was about 86% so that is a huge drop over his last 2 years. One year might be a fluke but two years is a trend.

The design of the Canadian field makes kicks harder as the wider hash marks increase the angle and this is especially true the closer in you get. On an NFL field Lirim's career percentages would probably be higher. Here are Lirim's Canadian career stats.

YEARTEAMGPFGMFGA%LGC1 MC1 APTS
2014WPG18404687.0513132151
2015WPG17223268.853152181
2016TOR18374288.1533234143
2017TOR18475881.0503636177
2018HAM18465485.2534146179
2019HAM18475585.5562628167
Total10723928783.356181197898

His career stats would put him at #28 in the NFL's top career PKs keeping in mind the wider hash marks and weather he has kicked in. Zuerlein is at #37 with a career percentage of 82%. I define better as more consistently accurate not stronger. Like the best QBs are the more accurate QBs not necessarily the strongest arm which is why the Rams took Goff, with QBs like Brees and Rivers testimony to that perspective.

Battle-tested? He made the winning FG in the Grey Cup in 2017. It was a 32 yd FG but with the wider field, it wasn't an NFL chipshot. With the goal post on the goal line, it was a true 32 yd attempt. That is why I think he has a significant edge over Sloman.

 

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You have to give JZ credit for the longer FGs attempted and made. I think his injuries have had a negative effect on his accuracy. Bad backs are hard to get rid of. It's a good time to move on. This Liam guy seems to be a solid replacement.
 

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Pretty much can guarantee if he doesn't win the job he'll be back in the CFL. He's 30 already and is taking his shot to start. In my opinion Sloman is the only one they would use a PS spot for.
I dont agree. If he wants to kick in the NFL and doesnt make the Rams out of camp, it would be foolish to head back to the CFL Unless of course he is just awful in pre-season. If he impresses, but falls short, his next opportunity is going to be there. Especially losing out to a rookie kicker. Time will tell and whoever wins the job gets it. Heck, for all we know they could both get cut and Austin McGinnis could get the job
 

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There may not be a "tee" in those videos but there is some small white thing they put the ball on.

I wonder what that is?
 

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The Rams May have been two field goals away from the playoffs, but there was a lot more wrong with them than just the kicker.
 

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Pretty rare statement - “Has a better leg than Greg ever had”

You wont hear that very often.
True and honestly not a good take

First let me state I know nothing about the Canuck

watching the highlight clips it’s not like his 53plus yarders were clearing by much

GZ on the other hand, boomed 50 plus yarders consistency 2/3rds to 3/4 height goal post level, mind you that 61 yarder he made late season 4 years ago in Minny, in that college outdoor stadium was pretty damn impressive
 
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I believe Greg's career percentage of making kicks from 50+ yards is 33 of 55 attempts for 60%. That's the reality of it. Like I said, consistent accuracy is the measure of a PK IMO not leg strength. I think McVay is right that consistency up to 50 yds is paramount to winning games. Although I haven't been able to get a breakdown for Lirim's kicking percentage by distance, his overall percentages reflect a very good and consistent kicker. Note his longs each season were primarily in the low 50s in terms of distance meaning most of his kicks were under 50 yds, on a more difficult field (i.e. harder angles). Also IMO his career percentage rankings can't be ignored because it gives you a measurement of comparison of professional performance, something the collegiate game simply doesn't match. If Lirim can kick a game winner in their Grey Cup I would feel good with him attempting a game winner in the Super Bowl. Can you say that about Sloman?

BTW Sloman's career percentage is 79% with only 2019 above 80%.
 

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Agree. I think Hajrullahu will be the guy to beat, presuming the NFL can do this (which I have serious doubts about).

Moreover, I think we'll see a headline along the lines of "Rams Handle Close One, Team Sings Hajrallahu Chorus"

Sorry, I have too many dad jokes and puns stored up...
 

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Having a big leg is nice. Came in handy in the NFCCG. But I also want a guy you can count on 49 yards and less. I hope the kicker is that guy.
 

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Some may find this interesting.

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JAN. 28, 2015, AT 7:26 AM
Kickers Are Forever
By Benjamin Morris
Filed under And It's Good
KICKER_LEDE
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In football, there are constant power struggles, both on and off the field: players battling players, offenses battling defenses, the passing game battling the running game, coaches battling coaches, and new ways of thinking battling old ways of thinking. And then there are kickers. Battling no one but themselves and the goalposts, they come on the field in moments most mundane and most decisive. They take all the blame when they fail, and little of the credit when they succeed. Year in and year out, just a little bit at a time, they get better. And better. And better. Until the game is completely different, and no one even noticed that kickers were one of the main reasons why.
If you’ve been reading my NFL column Skeptical Football this season, you may have noticed that I write a lot about kickers. This interest has been building for a few years as I’ve watched field goals drained from long range at an ever-increasing rate, culminating in 2013, when NFL kickers made more than 67 percent of the kicks they took from 50-plus yards, giving them a record 96 such makes. There has been a lot of speculation about how kickers suddenly became so good at the long kick, ranging from performance-enhancing drugs (there have been a few possible cases) to the kickers’ special “k-balls” to more kick-friendly stadiums.

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So prior to the 2014 season, I set out to try to see how recently this improvement had taken place, whether it had been gradual or sudden, and whether it was specific to very long kicks or reflected improvement in kicking accuracy as a whole.
What I found fundamentally changed my understanding of the game of football.1
The complete(ish) history of NFL kicking
Pro Football Reference has kicking data broken down by categories (0-19 yards, 20-29, 30-39, 40-59 and 50+ yards) back to 1961. With this we can see how field goal percentage has changed through the years for each range of distances:
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It doesn’t matter the distance; kicking has been on a steady upward climb. If we look back even further, we can see indicators that kicking has been on a similar trajectory for the entire history of the league.
The oldest data that Pro Football Reference has available is from 1932, when the eight teams in the NFL made just six field goals (it’s unknown how many they attempted). That year, kickers missed 37 of 113 extra-point attempts, for a conversion rate of 67.3 percent. The following year, the league moved the goal posts up to the front of the end zone — which led to a whopping 36 made field goals, and a skyrocketing extra-point conversion rate of 79.3 percent. With the uprights at the front of the end zone, kickers missed only 30 of 145 extra points.
For comparison, those 30 missed extra-point attempts (all with the goalposts at the front of the end zone) are more than the league’s 28 missed extra-point attempts (all coming from 10 yards further out) from 2011 to 2014 — on 4,939 attempts.
In 1938-39, the first year we know the number of regular field goals attempted, NFL kickers made 93 of 235 field-goal tries (39.6 percent) to go with 347 of 422 extra points (82.2 percent). In the ’40s, teams made 40.0 percent of their field goal tries (we don’t know what distances they attempted) and 91.3 percent of their XPs. In the ’50s, those numbers rose to 48.2 percent of all field goals and 94.8 percent of XPs. The ’60s must have seemed like a golden era: Kickers made 56 percent of all field goals (breaking the 50 percent barrier for the first time) and 96.8 percent of their extra points.
For comparison, since 2010, NFL kickers have made 61.9 percent of their field goal attempts — from more than 50 yards.
In the 1960s, we start to get data on field goal attempts broken down by distance, allowing for the more complete picture above. In 1972, the NFL narrowed the hash marks from 18.5 yards from 40, which improved field goal percentages overall by reducing the number of attempts taken from awkward angles. And then in 1974, the league moved the goal posts to the back of the end zone — but as kick distances are recorded relative to the posts, the main effect of this move was a small (and temporary) decline in the extra-point conversion rate (which you can see in the top line of the chart above). Then we have data on the kicks’ exact distance, plus field and stadium type, after 1993.2
So let’s combine everything we know: Extra-point attempts and distances prior to 1961, kicks by category from 1961 to 1993, the kicks’ exact distance after 1993, and the changing placement of goal posts and hash marks. Using this data, we can model the likely success of any kick.
With those factors held constant, here’s a look at how good NFL kickers have been relative to their set of kicks in any given year3:
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When I showed this chart to a friend of mine who’s a philosophy Ph.D.,4 he said: “It’s like the Hacker Gods got lazy and just set a constant Kicker Improvement parameter throughout the universe.” The great thing about this is that since the improvement in kicking has been almost perfectly linear, we can treat “year” as just another continuous variable, allowing us to generalize the model to any kick in any situation at any point in NFL history.
Applying this year-based model to our kicking distance data, we can see just how predictable the improvement in kicking has actually been:
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The model may give teams too much credit in the early ’60s — an era for which we have a lot less data — but over the course of NFL history it does extremely well (it also predicts back to 1932, not shown). What’s amazing is that, while the model incorporates things like hashmark location and (more recently) field type, virtually all the work is handled by distance and year alone. Ultimately, it’s an extremely (virtually impossibly) accurate model considering how few variables it relies on.
I wish I could take credit for this, but it really just fell into place. Nerds, perk up: The z-value on “season” is 46.2! If every predictive relationship I looked for were that easy to find, life would be sweet.

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This isn’t just trivia, it has real-world implications, from tactical (how should you manage the clock knowing your opponent needs only moderate yardage to get into field goal range?) to organizational (maybe a good kicker is worth more than league minimum). And then there’s the big one.
Fourth down
If you’re reading this site, there’s a good chance you scream at your television a lot when coaches sheepishly kick or punt instead of going for it on fourth down. This is particularly true in the “dead zone” between roughly the 25- and 40-yard lines, where punts accomplish little and field goals are supposedly too long to be good gambles.
I’ve been a card-carrying member of Team Go-For-It since the ’90s. And we were right, back then. With ’90s-quality kickers, settling for field goals in the dead zone was practically criminal. As of 10 years ago — around when these should-we-go-for-it models rose to prominence — we were still right. But a lot has changed in 10 years. Field-goal kicking is now good enough that many previous calculations are outdated. Here’s a comparison between a field-goal kicking curve from 2004 vs. 2014:
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There’s no one universally agreed-upon system for when you should go for it on fourth down. But a very popular one is The New York Times’ 4th Down Bot, which is powered by models built by Brian Burke — founder of Advanced Football Analytics and a pioneer in the quantitative analysis of football. It calculates the expected value (either in points or win percentages) for every fourth-down play in the NFL, and tweets live results during games. Its 19,000-plus followers are treated to the bot’s particular emphasis on the many, many times coaches fail to go for it on fourth down when they should.
A very helpful feature of the 4th Down Bot is that its game logs break down each fourth-down decision into its component parts. This means that we can see exactly what assumptions the bot is making about the success rate of each kick. Comparing those to my model, it looks to me like the bot’s kickers are approximately 2004-quality. (I asked Burke about this, and he agrees that the bot is probably at least a few years behind,6 and says that its kicking assumptions are based on a fitted model of the most recent eight years of kicking data.7)
But more importantly, these breakdowns allow us to essentially recalculate the bot’s recommendations given a different set of assumptions. And the improvement in kicking dramatically changes the calculus of whether to go for it on fourth down in the dead zone. The following table compares “Go or No” charts from the 4th Down Bot as it stands right now, versus how it would look with projected 2015 kickers8:
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Having better kickers makes a big difference, as you can see from the blue sea on the left versus the red sea on the right. (The 4th Down Bot’s complete “Go or No” table is on the Times’ website.)
Getting these fourth-down calls wrong is potentially a big problem for the model. As a test case, I tried applying the 4th Down Bot’s model to a selection of the most relevant kicks from between 25 and 55 yards in 2013, then looked at what coaches actually did in those scenarios. I graded both against my kicking-adjusted results for 2013. While the updated version still concluded that coaches were too conservative (particularly on fourth-and-short), it found that coaches were (very slightly) making more correct decisions than the 4th Down Bot.
The differences were small (coaches beat the bot by only a few points over the entire season), but even being just as successful as the bot would be a drastic result considering how absolutely terrible coaches’ go-for-it strategy has been for decades. In other words, maybe it’s not that NFL coaches were wrong, they were just ahead of their time!
Time-traveling kickers
Having such an accurate model also allows us to see the overall impact kicking improvement has had on football. For example, we can calculate how kickers from different eras would have performed on a common set of attempts. In the following chart, we can see how many more or fewer points per game the typical team would have scored if kickers from a different era had taken its kicks (the red line is the actual points per game from field goals that year):
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The last time kickers were as big a part of the game as they are today, the league had to move the posts back! Since the rule change, the amount of scoring from field goals has increased by more than 2 points per game. A small part of the overall increase (the overall movement of the red line) is a result of taking more field goals, but most of it comes from the improvement in accuracy alone (the width of the “ribbon”).
How does this compare to broader scoring trends? As a baseline for comparison, I’ve taken the average points scored in every NFL game since 1961, and then seen how much league scoring deviated from that at any given point in time (the “scoring anomaly”). Then I looked at how much of that anomaly was a result of kicking accuracy.9:
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Amid wild fluctuations in scoring, kicking has remained a steady, driving force.
For all the talk of West Coast offenses, the invention of the pro formation, the wildcat, 5-wide sets, the rise of the pass-catching tight-end, Bill Walsh, the Greatest Show On Turf, and the general recognition that passing, passing and more passing is the best way to score in football, half the improvement in scoring in the past 50-plus years of NFL history has come solely from field-goal kickers kicking more accurately.10
The past half-century has seen an era of defensive innovation — running roughly from the mid-’60s to the mid-’70s — a chaotic scoring epoch with wild swings until the early ’90s, and then an era of offensive improvement. But the era of kickers is forever.
Reuben Fischer-Baum contributed graphics.
CORRECTION (Jan. 28, 2:22 p.m.): An earlier version of this article incorrectly gave the distances from which extra-point kicks were taken in 1933 and in recent years. Actual extra-point distances aren’t recorded.
Benjamin Morris researches and writes about sports and other topics for FiveThirtyEight. @skepticalsports
 

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Last year was a bad year for kickers. This shows teams stuggled to find quaility kickers last year. That's why it's important for the Rams to get this one right. I like the experience Lirim Hajrullahu has in big games. It's not a bad idea to have one of the PS too just in case of injury.

What’s Behind the NFL’s Kicking Regression?
Nearly every year, the league’s kickers get better—but in 2019, field goal accuracy is down 5 percentage points. What happened?
By Rodger Sherman Nov 22, 2019, 6:55am EST
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Every football fan is the boy who cried “our kicker sucks.” It’s just so easy to blame kickers. A team will fight and battle to put this tiny guy with one job in optimal position to succeed, and then sometimes he fails. When the quarterback fails, fans can blame the offensive coordinator or the head coach or the receivers or the offensive line to avoid admitting the $70 we spent on our quarterback’s jersey was a waste of money. But with the kicker, there is nobody else to blame—and none of us have bought his jersey. Fans know a kicker can hit a 43-yard field goal, so every time a kicker misses a 43-yard field goal, we feel like the kicker messed up.
But for most of football history, kickers have steadily become less sucky. In 1950, kickers hit 44.2 percent of their field goals. In 1960, kickers hit 56.0 percent of their field goals. In 1970, it was 59.4 percent; in 1980, it was 63.6 percent; in 1990, it was 74.4 percent; in 2000, it was 79.7 percent. Last year, it was 84.7 percent. It was the second-most-accurate year in league history (2013, when kickers made 86.5 percent of their kicks, holds the record). In the early days of the NFL, kicking was an afterthought, a job for quarterbacks to try in their spare time, or for random European guys who weren’t athletic enough to play soccer. Now, it’s a science, performed by focused specialists who chose to kick from a young age and were trained by more focused specialists. Twelve of the top 17 kickers all time in field goal accuracy have kicked in the NFL this season; 25 of the top 30 have kicked in the NFL at some point in the past five seasons. Of course, the complaints never stopped—even as kickers hit record-setting numbers, we blamed them for not hitting 100 percent.
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But something weird has happened this year. After years of steady gains, the leaguewide field goal accuracy rate has stunningly dropped 5 percentage points. Kickers are now hitting on 79.7 percent of field goals; if that holds, 2019 would be the first time the league has dipped under 80 percent since 2003. Leaguewide field goal accuracy is a stat that’s had a steady upward trend for decades—since 2000, leaguewide field goal accuracy has seen year-over-year improvement 14 times, and a year-over-year decline just four times, generally due to an unsustainably good year the year before. A 5 percentage point drop is unfathomable.

The good kickers are struggling. Both of last year’s Pro Bowl kickers, Aldrick Rosas and Jason Myers, have experienced severe drop-offs, with Rosas missing more field goals despite 23 fewer attempts and Myers a dismal 14-for-19. Stephen Gostkowski, third all time in field goal accuracy, missed four extra points before the Patriots placed him on the injured reserve with a hip injury. Robbie Gould and Wil Lutz, seventh and fifth all time in field goal accuracy, are both having the worst seasons of their careers. And then there’s the GOAT, Adam Vinatieri, who is struggling massively, connecting on just 75 percent of field goals and 75 percent of extra points. Vinatieri, who holds the NFL records for career points and field goals made, is the main culprit in two of Indianapolis’s four losses this year—he missed two field goals and an extra point in a season-opening, six-point loss to the Chargers and a would-be game-winning 43-yarder against the Steelers. Despite his spectacular and historic career, it seems like it’s time for the Colts to move on from their 46-year-old kicker if they want to win.
That said, it seems like moving on from Vinatieri could be disastrous, because the bad kickers have been especially bad. Four teams that needed to turn to a free-agent kicker have been so underwhelmed by the performance of that free-agent kicker that they’ve had to cut that guy and bring in somebody new. Then they learned the hard way that their free-agent kicker was not good enough: The Jets had Taylor Bertolet in training camp, but cut him and brought in Kaare Vedvik to start the season … and then Vedvik cost the team their season-opener against the Bills by missing both kicks he attempted. The Falcons had Giorgio Tavecchio, but turned to longtime Falcon Matt Bryant after Tavecchio underwhelmed in preseason—then had to cut Bryant after he made just nine of 14 kicks; the Patriots brought in Mike Nugent after Gostkowski’s injury, but cut him after a 5-for-8 start.

And then there’s the Titans. After an injury to Ryan Succop in preseason, the Titans brought in Cairo Santos, but cut him after he went 0-for-4 in a game. Then the team brought in Double Doinker Cody Parkey, who promptly doinked an extra point. Succop eventually healed from his injury, but is 0-for-3 for the Titans through his past two games. Tennessee is just 7-for-15 on field goals this year, putting them in line to be the first team to make less than 50 percent of its field goals since 1987.
It’s strange. Kicker has generally seemed like the most replaceable position in football, since kickers don’t really have to learn the playbook or adjust to a new team’s strategies—they can just step in off the street and kick. But this year, the performance of off-the-street kickers has been so dismal that even teams with struggling kickers must feel they can’t make a change.
What’s causing the drop-off? After years of improvement, have kickers actually gotten dramatically worse overnight? Right now, it seems like kickers have simply lost the range. They’re fine on chip shots: Kickers hit on 93.4 percent of field goals from 18 to 39 yards from 2010 to 2018; kickers are actually outperforming that number this year, hitting at 94.2 percent. They’re also doing fine on extra points, hitting at 93.7 percent, the second-worst number since the extra point was moved back in 2015, but not significantly worse than usual.
However, kickers are attempting more kicks, proportionally, from 40 yards and over than usual—from 2010 to 2018, 44.9 percent of kicks were from 40 yards or longer, while this year, 47.4 percent of kicks are from 40 yards or longer—and performing significantly worse on them. From 2010 to 2018, kickers hit 72.8 percent of these kicks; this year it’s 63.7 percent.
We don’t know why kickers have suddenly forgotten how to hit field goals from longer than 40 yards. Are holders forgetting to spin the laces out? (Maybe.) If we were baseball fans, we would start investigating the ball. I suspect the drop-off is a blip, not a trend. The decadeslong upward trajectory of kickers is too strong to suddenly be derailed this violently.
When it ends, I hope the Great Kicker Drought of 2019 teaches us to respect our tiniest football heroes. For too long, we have criticized them regardless of whether it is deserved. You never know what you’ve got until the new guy starts shanking every 43-yarder.
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