McVay: Take some notes

[Juice]

Truth of the matter is, we do not have enough fingers to point out everyone who has a hand in a loss of this magnitude. As much as I dislike to admit it, they had a dam good year and almost pulled it off. To say, in my opinion, that the two superbowl losses are a direct result of the OC in one game and the head coach in another with two different organizations and two different teams involved seems like an easy way out. Come on football fans. We can do better than that.

For the record, I do not think Mcvay needs to take any notes on this one. He knows what happened, and apparently the fans that love this game, don't have a clue.

 

[bluecoconuts]

He was also up by 10 with 12 minutes left and had the following drives:

5 plays 17 yards only 2 runs 3:04 taken off the clock
3 plays 5 yards only 1 run and 1:03 taken off the clock now only up by 3
7 plays 27 yards only 1 run for 17 yards the first play of the drive and 1:19 off the clock you're now down by 4 points and your offense is massively out of synch.

This was the #1 rushing offense in the postseason and #2 in the regular season this year. They ran the ball 8 times in the 2nd half with the lead while averaging almost 7 ypc. Shanny is a very good play caller and designer but the fact they got away from what got them there in such a fashion is something they should worry about especially since this was the second time his offense got out to a big lead in a Super Bowl and failed to score late in the game when it mattered most.

Well yeah, I think he’s a shitty coach. However, I don’t want McVay to try and rush his way out of an 11 point deficit with 2:44 left on the clock. The time for rushing was earlier as you alluded to.

 

[rams1fan]

Letting 40 seconds run off the clock in the first half was a bizarre decision.

 

[A.J. Hicks]

While seeing that post from their forum may warm my heart... it reminds me of the trash I had to wade through over on the old PD RamStalk forum.

Meanwhile... Andy Reid has been calling his own plays the last 20 years. He finally got his ring last night.

Nobody calls the perfect play every single time.... and even when you do manage to call the perfect play, that doesn't guarantee the the players on the field will execute it properly.

I'm confused about who is the play caller for the Chiefs. I thought it was Eric Beinemy but he and Reid work closely together. They are almost always standing by each other. Both guys always have play sheets. Quite a few were surprised Beinemy did not receive a head coaching offer.

 

[Selassie I]

I'm confused about who is the play caller for the Chiefs. I thought it was Eric Beinemy but he and Reid work closely together. They are almost always standing by each other. Both guys always have play sheets. Quite a few were surprised Beinemy did not receive a head coaching offer.

I've always heard that Walrus calls the plays.

Many HCs who call their own plays have OCs.

 

[OldSchool]

Truth of the matter is, we do not have enough fingers to point out everyone who has a hand in a loss of this magnitude. As much as I dislike to admit it, they had a dam good year and almost pulled it off. To say, in my opinion, that the two superbowl losses are a direct result of the OC in one game and the head coach in another with two different organizations and two different teams involved seems like an easy way out. Come on football fans. We can do better than that.

For the record, I do not think Mcvay needs to take any notes on this one. He knows what happened, and apparently the fans that love this game, don't have a clue.

And yet in every playoff loss he’s been OC for when his team needed points to put the game away he’s been unable to do it. It’s not all his fault but there’s definitely a trend he doesn’t like and had hurt his teams.

 

[Cjcinec]

Shanahan lost the game on the last possession of the first half. Two minutes left and 3 timeouts and you get a stop. First you refuse to use a timeout and allow 30 seconds to run off the clock and then you run the ball on two straight plays and then try a long pass that gets called back due to Offensive Pass Interference. After the game his explanation for not being aggressive was that KC had 3 timeouts and he was afraid that he might give them back the ball before half. Shanahan was playing scared in the second quarter in a 10-10 game is never going to win you a Super Bowl. Epic failure by Shanahan.

 

[LA_vision]

I'm still shocked they didn't run the ball 2nd and 5 in the 4th.

Also, there jet sweeps were killing the chiefs d, and he didnt seem to run one in the 2nd half. I don't get it.

 

[FarNorth]

Some notes on all this hoopla surrounding Shanny NOT running the ball last night...

1. Defenses get paid too. Nobody is talking about the fact that the Chiefs actually made some plays defensively that affected Shanny's approach and adjustments not to mention the outcome. It wasn't all Shanny and his mistakes. It's not a given that had they run the ball every play they would have sustained drives and scored TDs.

2. Play calls need to be executed. One guy here one guy there not doing his job can blow it up. This is why football is the ultimate team game. One guy not executing can be the difference between Shanny the genius and Shanny the idiot. Players actually matter, I know it's a hard concept for angry fans but it's the truth.

3. His greatest mistakes in that game had nothing to do with the decision to run the ball or not run the ball. He really called a terrible game from the head coach perspective moreso than play calling.

4. Where was the 9ers defense? Everyone thinks it's so amazing, you'd think reading some Rams boards they had the '85 Bears defense. But they got beat, worked over, and how in the F does that get overlooked again after the same BS happened with Atlanta?

I fuckin hate Shanny Jr. I want to drive my fist into his fuckin entitled face. But I think it's ridiculous how the postgame storylines ignore so much of what constitutes a loss.

Agree 9er’s and Shanahans lost in more ways than one, but not running the ball in the 4th quarter still stands out as a poor strategy.

 

[LesBaker]

The biggest issue Son of Rat has with his play calling is an obvious lack of trust with his QB. Most passes are single option or designed to protect JG.

Disagree. Completely.

He leaned on JG in the second half when he should have been leaning on his run game which was beating the Chefs asses. It was really fucking stupid to walk away from the run game. IMO he was trying to blow them out when he could have just put them away by continuing to grind them down.

If he didn't trust him why did he call TWO pass plays in a row when his run game was getting yards in bunches? He could have called a run play on 3rd down and 5 and even gone for it on 4th down if they didn't convert on 3rd down.

How often do you give up 140plus yards on 20 attempts and WIN BY 11?

Not that often at all actually..........but when you are down by ten points and the guy beating you tucks his tail and stops doing the things that are kicking your ass.........well then you have a shot anyway.

I wonder why Lynch didn't phone the sideline and say something.

 

[dang]

Shanahan is enjoying his consolation prize...

 

[Juice]

I hope that pizza has pineapple on it.

 

[Juice]

Sorry, guys. Pick him apart all you want to and try to tell our head couch to learn from his mistakes. Truth of the matter is, he's there so you guys have an opportunity to do so. So, at least acknowledge that fact. I grew up strongly disliking the 49ers. Still have that spot in my soul that can't stand them. What he has done is his career should be celebrated up until next year, and Mcvay doesn't need to be told that.

 

[thirteen28]

I've always heard that Walrus calls the plays.

Many HCs who call their own plays have OCs.

He has one called the goo goo g'joob.

 

[CGI_Ram]

His greatest mistakes in that game had nothing to do with the decision to run the ball or not run the ball. He really called a terrible game from the head coach perspective moreso than play calling.

I found the decision to kill the clock to end the 1st half curious...

But if you paused the game sometime early 4th quarter, the game was in the 49’ers hands. The vibe. Everything.

Shanahan would have been considered masterful, to that point... and beyond... had they held on and won.

Whoever loses gets second guessed.

Whoever wins did everything just right.

That’s how it gets spun afterwards anyway.

 

[fearsomefour]

Letting 40 seconds run off the clock in the first half was a bizarre decision.

In the super bowl.
If there was ever evidence that he doesn’t trust Crapolo that was it.
A great FG kicker with good range.
He took the ball out of his QBs most of the playoffs. He does not trust him to stand in the pocket and deliver.

 

[RamsSince1969]

I love how it is all unravelling after one season for their fan base.
My son said all the KC fans he met before the game yesterday were great but the Niners fans were arseholes. He’s now starting to understand my hatred of that organisation.

The overtaking of our stadium, this year at home, with 49 fans and then them being the most completely obnoxious fans, even worse than the Seachicken fans. They do not know how to be humble.

 

[WarnerToBruce]

I am pulling for McVay. This post was about using the Rat's failure as a cautionary tale.

I feel McVay forgets about the running game. I feel the team needs to mix running plays in (even when not working well ala Pete Carroll) just to improve the odds when choosing to throw the ball.

That is how I feel. No disrespect nor implication that he won't figure it out. I disagree with those who point to the Chiefs success to say you don't need a running game. Different team. Different QB.

 

[AZRams]

He took the ball out of his QBs most of the playoffs. He does not trust him to stand in the pocket and deliver.

And when he had to, down 4 with 2:45 left, he didn't get it done.

 

[Merlin]

I feel McVay forgets about the running game. I feel the team needs to mix running plays in (even when not working well ala Pete Carroll) just to improve the odds when choosing to throw the ball.

I get where you were comin from and it's a good discussion tbh. But the reality is every play caller "forgets about the run game." Look at Pete Carroll with his offense on the one yard line in the Super Bowl just needing to punch it in. When the run game had gotten them there. What does he do? Well let's pass!!!

Reason I chimed in is because even in that example (where he undoubtedly should have mashed it there) it still comes down to the defense making a play and lack of execution. I mean had the corner not jumped the route or had the pass been positioned differently or had Wilson pulled it down and scrambled in or a thousand other what-ifs... Nobody would question the choice to throw it.

Re: McVay he isn't Martz (and not saying that anyone thinks he is btw), he not only loves and respects the run game but he also designs balance into his offense and relies on it. So I am confident he's going to leave no stone unturned in terms of improving the run game. And yes he's got every reason to see the value in it given the way the playoffs went down.