It's only taken HC Sean McVay 5 years to have "HIS" team

[dieterbrock]

Odds on Hekker being a Cowboy by 2022?

500-1?

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Ticking clock with the Rams' core in their prime. Stafford, Donald, Ramsey, etc. If McVay cannot win a SB with this group, he probably never will.

I don't see him sticking around through a long rebuilding phase either. It'll be one or two losing seasons and that'll be it. He'll go to another team.

That opinion is based on no pattern since McVay is a first time head coach and hasn't established any pattern. He came in on a rebuild. Why can't he be a Bill Fisher type or Bill Walsh? He doesn't seem like a quitter to me.

 

[tempests]

That opinion is based on no pattern since McVay is a first time head coach and hasn't established any pattern. He came in on a rebuild. Why can't he be a Bill Fisher type or Bill Walsh? He doesn't seem like a quitter to me.

He came to a team that had already assembled enough talent and the nucleus of a contender. They needed someone with vision and the ability to get them over the top.

He wouldn't be a quitter. He'd be going to a better situation. What is compelling him to slog through 5 and 6 win seasons here; if, say, Andy Reid retires and the Chiefs want someone to coach Pat Mahomes?

McVay and Snead are all about the present. The future is going to be someone else's problem.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

He came to a team that had already assembled enough talent and the nucleus of a contender. They needed someone with vision and the ability to get them over the top.

He wouldn't be a quitter. He'd be going to a better situation. What is compelling him to slog through 5 and 6 win seasons here; if, say, Andy Reid retires and the Chiefs want someone to coach Pat Mahomes?

McVay and Snead are all about the present. The future is going to be someone else's problem.

Again there is zero evidence that McVay is leaning this way. Pure speculation.

 

[tempests]

Again there is zero evidence that McVay is leaning this way.

That's because it hasn't happened yet. One can still determine their philosophy based on their method of roster building.

Pure speculation.

Talk of what lies in the future tends to be. Day will come around again when the Rams actually have to keep their first round picks and hit on them and that will be very interesting test of patience for a head coach who has never known anything but winning.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

That's because it hasn't happened yet. One can still determine their philosophy based on their method of roster building.

Talk of what lies in the future tends to be. Day will come around again when the Rams actually have to keep their first round picks and hit on them and that will be very interesting test of patience for a head coach who has never known anything but winning.

How many head coaches have gone this route? Jumping in when a team is good and off immediately when they are bad, only to go to another team that is ready to win? Its kind of unprecedented to have mercenary coach bounce around the league from team to team winning at every stop, willing to rebuild a coaching staff at every stop, getting acquainted with a new GM at every stop. Moving to a new city. The pressure would be incredible with the expectations that would come with that coaching lifestyle.

That's not to mention, where does he go? How many good teams will jettison their coach to bring in McVay? Do the Chiefs dump Andy Reid for instance? How many owners will be good to work for? Jerry Jones? One bad stop could be very regretful after having a great working environment in L.A. How many teams will he go to that have guys like Donald and Ramsey? I think its a fantasy idea.

McVay's idol Bill Walsh was a one team coach. He kept the Niners at the top for a long time. That is the bigger challenge rather than bailing out when things get bad and jumping onto other teams bandwagon.

 

[tempests]

How many head coaches have gone this route? Jumping in when a team is good and off immediately when they are bad, only to go to another team that is ready to win? Its kind of unprecedented to have mercenary coach bounce around the league from team to team winning at every stop, willing to rebuild a coaching staff at every stop, getting acquainted with a new GM at every stop. Moving to a new city. The pressure would be incredible with the expectations that would come with that coaching lifestyle.

That's not to mention, where does he go? How many good teams will jettison their coach to bring in McVay? Do the Chiefs dump Andy Reid for instance? How many owners will be good to work for? Jerry Jones? One bad stop could be very regretful after having a great working environment in L.A. How many teams will he go to that have guys like Donald and Ramsey? I think its a fantasy idea.

McVay's idol Bill Walsh was a one team coach. He kept the Niners at the top for a long time. That is the bigger challenge rather than bailing out when things get bad and jumping onto other teams bandwagon.

He wouldn't have to bounce around the league, he only has to go to another position he finds desirable. Mike Holmgren did it. Andy Reid had nine winning seasons in Philly, but his last two years were 8-8, 4-12 and he was off to KC. Dennis Green, eight playoff appearances with the Vikings, but how many losing seasons did it take for him to move on to broadcasting? One.

Coaches don't lead their teams through thick and thin anymore, like Tom Landry or Chuck Noll did. It's a pattern that plays itself out over and over. Either they're tasked with leading a rebuild, add some talented players to their roster but not enough. Unable to get over the hill and fired after two or three seasons. Or the other, come to a team that's ready to win, inherit a talented roster and add the finishing pieces in the first two or three seasons. They have their run of success, but eventually their talented players age and move on. They have trouble recapturing the success they had early, the roster thins out, the losing begins and they are fired, retire, move to broadcasting or another team.

Even if McVay has 20 years of coaching ahead of him, it's highly unlikely it would all be for one team. He'll be the Rams coach as long as he can turn out winning seasons, but once his talented core ages, the roster thins, and the front office is no longer bringing him the calibre of players he once had, that's when considering other options comes into play. He doesn't need to stick around as his relationships inside the organization grow tense and the local media and fanbase slowly turn on him. Winning only buys a coach so much goodwill, and it gets used up quickly.

You want to know why McVay is feeling pressure, it's because his time to win is now, and that's why they jettisoned a QB they had four winning seasons with; Stafford is to get them over the hump, while the Rams talented core is in place.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

He wouldn't have to bounce around the league, he only has to go to another position he finds desirable. Mike Holmgren did it. Andy Reid had nine winning seasons in Philly, but his last two years were 8-8, 4-12 and he was off to KC. Dennis Green, eight playoff appearances with the Vikings, but how many losing seasons did it take for him to move on to broadcasting? One.

Coaches don't lead their teams through thick and thin anymore, like Tom Landry or Chuck Noll did. It's a pattern that plays itself out over and over. Either they're tasked with leading a rebuild, add some talented players to their roster but not enough. Unable to get over the hill and fired after two or three seasons. Or the other, come to a team that's ready to win, inherit a talented roster and add the finishing pieces in the first two or three seasons. They have their run of success, but eventually their talented players age and move on. They have trouble recapturing the success they had early, the roster thins out, the losing begins and they are fired, retire, move to broadcasting or another team.

Even if McVay has 20 years of coaching ahead of him, it's highly unlikely it would all be for one team. He'll be the Rams coach as long as he can turn out winning seasons, but once his talented core ages, the roster thins, and the front office is no longer bringing him the calibre of players he once had, that's when considering other options comes into play. He doesn't need to stick around as his relationships inside the organization grow tense and the local media and fanbase slowly turn on him. Winning only buys a coach so much goodwill, and it gets used up quickly.

You want to know why McVay is feeling pressure, it's because his time to win is now, and that's why they jettisoned a QB they had four winning seasons with; Stafford is to get them over the hump, while the Rams talented core is in place.

Didnt those coaches get fired? I know Reid did. Green did. Not sure about Holmgren.