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Brady said that Cooks never really fit in.

NE doesn’t like paying receivers. They think they can find Welles types whenever they want.

NE doesnt like paying players, which is how they stock pile draft picks. They often trade a player before his rookie contract is over, and then get a few draft picks for him. Very rare are the players that are drafted by the Patriots and retire a Patriot.
 

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I want Miami to win SO BADLY, it's hard to explain.

Actually, they have Miami, Indy and KC all at home and they could very easily lose each of them.

Actually, based on how they're playing, their schedule is BRUTAL for them and I love it.

They have the 3 at home where they really should lose all of them and then they have 4 of the next 5 on the road and sandwiched in between dual two week road trips is Green Bay at home.

This team could experience a wicked bad drought coming up soon. Their next win could conceivably not be until Nov 25th against Jets in NY.

At that point after that win in NY, they'd be 2-9.

This Pats team looks NOTHING like teams past and every team has to be licking their chops knowing that Foxborough isn't like trying to win at Alabama anymore.
 

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I doubt if McVay is directing Snead. They may collaborate on roster needs but this is Sneads show so to speak.

Since you quote I must have mistakenly given the impression that McVay tells Snead what to do.

I am saying they work together.

But will 100% disagree with you that this is 100% Sneads show.
 

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Since you quote I must have mistakenly given the impression that McVay tells Snead what to do.

I am saying they work together.

But will 100% disagree with you that this is 100% Sneads show.
Snead has said, That McVay does a good job of describing what type of players he wants. I am sure he told Snead if you can get him I want him. So Snead did what a good GM does. Builds a team based on what the Head Coach and staff want.
 

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Yeah, my cousin asked me, what's the deal with Cooks??? I replied, that I haven't heard anything but positive about him, from work ethic, to character. The only thing I can come up with, is that nobody wanted to pay him.

He threw a tantrum while playing for New Orleans because he felt he wasn't getting enough targets. IIRC, it was during a game against us. But other than that outburst, I've heard nothing but good things. Problem was that New England didn't use him properly. NE had him run almost entirely outside-the-numbers vertical routes (go routes, comebacks, curls, etc.).

McVay is using him on vertical routes, but he's also allowing him to feast on intermediate routes, especially in-breaking intermediate routes (like the dig). Cook is a great route runner with explosive speed. McVay's ability to scheme space in the intermediate passing game and get him favorable match-ups on vertical routes is highlighting Cook's strengths. McDaniels never was much good at playing to guys' strengths. He never had an issue with trying to wedge a square peg in a round hole.

Regardless, by playing to Cooks' strengths, McVay has him playing like the #1 WR he has always had the potential to be. Cooks is on pace for a monster year and doesn't appear to be slowing down anytime soon.
 

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Snead has said, That McVay does a good job of describing what type of players he wants. I am sure he told Snead if you can get him I want him. So Snead did what a good GM does. Builds a team based on what the Head Coach and staff want.

As well as I have no doubt that McVay also tells Snead if he doesn't want someone even if Snead can get him.

Snead didn't become much better at what he can do when Fisher left. Fisher was a big reason Snead couldn't do as good of a job until Fisher left.

Look at a draft room and see the dynamics. GM and Coach working together.
 

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He's probably a different person too, now that he's older, married, and all.
Not from what I have seen and been told by those around him. I watched him in college and in the NFL. Pretty much the same guy but getting better.

Honestly, I think it was a case of “smartest guy in the room” in both NE and NO.

McVay doesn't make trades, doesn't do contracts, and isn't "making the moves".

Snead does that other than the contracts which is Demoff.

McVay may have input of course, but he isn't doing anything other than commenting.

I will give McVay all the credit he deserves, but this is like giving credit to the person standing next to the person who does the work.
McVay tried to get Snead to grab him last year instead of Sammy but they didn’t have the draft capital to pull it off. While Snead and his scouts do much of the leg work, it is widely known that McVay wanted Cooks and Snead went out and got him. McVay doesn’t do the wheeling and dealing but he damn sure has a major input on the type of player he wants and even specific players if there’s one he covets. Same is probably so for Wade and some of the other coaches to a lesser extent.
 

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I doubt if McVay is directing Snead. They may collaborate on roster needs but this is Sneads show so to speak.
Mmm.. not sure about that. Wrongly, Sneed was almost thrown out with the Fisher bathwater and it was kind of a surprise he was retained. McVay was hot commodity and probably was given a lot more say on personnel than you may think. A la Woods, Watkins, Cooks.
 

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Not from what I have seen and been told by those around him. I watched him in college and in the NFL. Pretty much the same guy but getting better.

Honestly, I think it was a case of “smartest guy in the room” in both NE and NO.


McVay tried to get Snead to grab him last year instead of Sammy but they didn’t have the draft capital to pull it off. While Snead and his scouts do much of the leg work, it is widely known that McVay wanted Cooks and Snead went out and got him. McVay doesn’t do the wheeling and dealing but he damn sure has a major input on the type of player he wants and even specific players if there’s one he covets. Same is probably so for Wade and some of the other coaches to a lesser extent.
Hold up, now I'm curious.

Ok, I know as a fan, I realize I'll never actually "know" any of these guys and that any perception I have is just a perception -- could be right or wrong in varying degrees.

So, anyhow, Cooks reportedly sulked when his N.O. team dominated the Rams and he got no targets, going with the "closed mouths don't get fed" line. Cooks is still that guy? Not questioning your info or sources, just curious.
 

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Hold up, now I'm curious.

Ok, I know as a fan, I realize I'll never actually "know" any of these guys and that any perception I have is just a perception -- could be right or wrong in varying degrees.

So, anyhow, Cooks reportedly sulked when his N.O. team dominated the Rams and he got no targets, going with the "closed mouths don't get fed" line. Cooks is still that guy? Not questioning your info or sources, just curious.
He’s always been known as an extremely hard worker and team guy. The local sports reporter that covered OSU and UofO said he was the hardest working player she’d ever seen at either school.

I don’t know about the sulking thing. Never heard about it until now. I’m going to guess that it is either over blown or he had differences with Payton. It seems easy to believe for me that he wasn’t in a good situation in NO so I’m guessing that has something to do with it. My son was at OSU when Cooks was a Beav and he really liked the guy because he was always smiling and just seemed like a good guy.

That’s all I know besides he was a very good receiver for OSU. It’s not like I actually knew him. But everything I saw and heard was good.
 

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NE doesnt like paying players, which is how they stock pile draft picks. They often trade a player before his rookie contract is over, and then get a few draft picks for him. Very rare are the players that are drafted by the Patriots and retire a Patriot.


The way they push the conditioning sounds grueling. It's probably better suited to younger players. As much as I hate Belichick and his cheating ways, his strategy on team building has worked very well. Keep a few key players and get the best out of young players that are a system fit, then rely heavily on smarts and conditioning. It's been enough to get to the Superbowl most years. Brady and Gronk are elite at their position and they are the only two that he has hung onto.
 

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He’s always been known as an extremely hard worker and team guy. The local sports reporter that covered OSU and UofO said he was the hardest working player she’d ever seen at either school.

I don’t know about the sulking thing. Never heard about it until now. I’m going to guess that it is either over blown or he had differences with Payton. It seems easy to believe for me that he wasn’t in a good situation in NO so I’m guessing that has something to do with it. My son was at OSU when Cooks was a Beav and he really liked the guy because he was always smiling and just seemed like a good guy.

That’s all I know besides he was a very good receiver for OSU. It’s not like I actually knew him. But everything I saw and heard was good.
I'm glad we have him. Thank you for responding.
 

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McVay tried to get Snead to grab him last year instead of Sammy but they didn’t have the draft capital to pull it off. While Snead and his scouts do much of the leg work, it is widely known that McVay wanted Cooks and Snead went out and got him. McVay doesn’t do the wheeling and dealing but he damn sure has a major input on the type of player he wants and even specific players if there’s one he covets. Same is probably so for Wade and some of the other coaches to a lesser extent.

If you are implying that McVay is involved in scouting that's pretty unlikely, actually virtually impossible.

Every coach in the NFL mentions players to the GM and FO, that's not unusual. But most HC's have no roster responsibilities beyond coaching it. There have been exceptions, like Fisher recently and Parcells who is the most well known of those types, but it's very, very rare. Saying that McVay is responsible, even in part, for player acquisition is a stretch.

If he makes comments about a player that he would like to have on the roster that is a far cry from being involved. That's akin to a kid getting credit for buying a bicycle and putting it together then wrapping it and putting it under the tree when all he did was say "a bike" after his parents asked him what he wanted for Christmas.

There aren't any quality coaches that are watching college tapes, talking to scouts much if at all, reviewing any tape of other teams players other than for game prep, or anything like that. They have no time for it.

That's why teams have to employ GM's and HC's.

These are two very different components. Yeah they aren't separated by a wall but they are two different things.

Mmm.. not sure about that. Wrongly, Sneed was almost thrown out with the Fisher bathwater and it was kind of a surprise he was retained. McVay was hot commodity and probably was given a lot more say on personnel than you may think. A la Woods, Watkins, Cooks.

It's Snead not Sneed by the way. Demoff met with Snead after the season when Fisher was fired to see if things could work out going forward, but I don't remember him nearly being let go. I wasn't at all surprised that he was retained.

McVay doesn't have "more say" on personnel than I think. Yes just like any other coach if there is a type of player or a certain individual he wants he is going to talk to the GM. That isn't having a say so in personnel. Going to the GM and saying "I think we should make a play for Cooks" is a long way away from having any responsibilities regarding calling the Patriots, making offers, negotiating and so on.

Making a suggestion, or request, isn't the same thing as being the guy who is authorized to make actual changes. And this is where many fans of teams get confused.
 

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If you are implying that McVay is involved in scouting that's pretty unlikely, actually virtually impossible.
Coaches watch tape on potential draft pics all the time.

Every coach in the NFL mentions players to the GM and FO, that's not unusual. But most HC's have no roster responsibilities beyond coaching it. There have been exceptions, like Fisher recently and Parcells who is the most well known of those types, but it's very, very rare. Saying that McVay is responsible, even in part, for player acquisition is a stretch.

If he makes comments about a player that he would like to have on the roster that is a far cry from being involved. That's akin to a kid getting credit for buying a bicycle and putting it together then wrapping it and putting it under the tree when all he did was say "a bike" after his parents asked him what he wanted for Christmas.

There aren't any quality coaches that are watching college tapes, talking to scouts much if at all, reviewing any tape of other teams players other than for game prep, or anything like that. They have no time for it.

That's why teams have to employ GM's and HC's.

These are two very different components. Yeah they aren't separated by a wall but they are two different things.
I’m not sure where you get this knowledge Les. My boss says they - as coaches - not only watched a bunch of tape on FAs and college players, they flew out for their pro days, went to the combine, and met with players their college coaches, and sometimes their family.

Im just not sure where you are getting this. Coaches are VERY involved in player personnel.

Simply stated, you’re wrong.

Here’s something from a simple google search but I’m sure there are far more on it.

https://theramswire.usatoday.com/20...raft-interviews-players-prospects-sean-mcvay/
 

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Making a suggestion, or request, isn't the same thing as being the guy who is authorized to make actual changes. And this is where many fans of teams get confused.
Not confused, I just don’t agree with you. McVay may not make the actual phone call but rest assured, if he wants a player, Snead will see what it will take to get it done and they will proceed accordingly.
 

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McVay may have input of course, but he isn't doing anything other than commenting.
Yeah I don’t know about all that. Snead doesn’t just force players on coaches. And since there’s such a drastic change in the types of players he’s getting compared to his time with Fisher, it would seem the coaches have an equitable share of the decision making process. For instance. Would Snead force a Cortland Finnegan, Jared Cook, or Kenny Britt on McVay?

Snead: Here are some players for ya.
McVay: I hope you die in a tornado now.
 

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McVay may not make the actual phone call but rest assured, if he wants a player, Snead will see what it will take to get it done and they will proceed accordingly.

That's true with mostly any GM though. What we are talking about and what I am commenting on is McVay making good moves. You said this:

Mc Vay knew exactly what he was doing when he traded a #1 pick for Cooks. It seems like McVay has only made good moves since he got here.

He didn't actually DO those things, Snead did. He may have had input and said he was on board but Snead makes the call and puts together the deal. McVay doesn't.


Snead doesn’t just force players on coaches.

Nobody claimed that, and I don't think GM's do that type of thing very often.
 

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McVay doesn’t do the wheeling and dealing but he damn sure has a major input on the type of player he wants and even specific players if there’s one he covets. Same is probably so for Wade and some of the other coaches to a lesser extent.

Again, yes he has input, but every coach does.


Coaches watch tape on potential draft pics all the time.

Nowhere near enough to make enough good decisions there simply isn't time. Even a coach and a GM together can't watch enough, they also use scouts.

Going to Pro Days and the Combine is a different animal because that's as much personality and fit as they can ever get from the player. You can't get that from tape.
 

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Nowhere near enough to make enough good decisions there simply isn't time. Even a coach and a GM together can't watch enough, they also use scouts.

Going to Pro Days and the Combine is a different animal because that's as much personality and fit as they can ever get from the player. You can't get that from tape.
Regardless of how you want to couch it Les, coaches - including McVay have a huge influence on player personnel. Certainly some have more like Fish and Parcells. But the idea that McVay has little to no influence is just not reality for any teams including the Rams. Snead wouldn’t even be bringing in a number of players if not for he and McVay working closely together on that area of the team.

Again - where are you getting your info?