I'd go after this guy this offseason for a 3rd round pick:

[Riverumbbq]

Are we trading for Manziel to play HB? Did you miss how terrible he's been passing the ball? And as bad as his stats are, he's been even worse watching the game.

The point being that Manziel is playing under extreme pressure and he's still able to use his feet to make yardage. Not saying that this is Manziels' best throwing effort, but his QB rating easily surpasses Foles, … and competing with Keenum & Mannion in our offense could be a net benefit next season, while being far less expensive to the CAP than just about every other vet being discussed.

 

[jrry32]

The point being that Manziel is playing under extreme pressure and he's still able to use his feet to make yardage. Not saying that this is Manziels' best throwing effort, but his QB rating easily surpasses Foles, … and competing with Keenum & Mannion in our offense could be a net benefit next season, while being far less expensive to the CAP than just about every other vet being discussed.

Except he's not playing under extreme pressure. He's had all day in the pocket when the Chiefs haven't blitzed. We're not getting Manziel for free. We're giving up a 3rd. He's not playing like a QB worth trading a 3rd for.

 

[Corbin]

We'll see won't we. Manziel is only working on his 8'th pro game today, playing for a bad team against a good one. And Cleveland is still in this, basically on Manziel's back.

So we're trading a 3rd rounder for a RB that can't throw to challenge Chase Reynolds for is backup RB position/ special teams?

I'm not trying to be an ass but Manziel is Tebow 2.0. He can run can't read or throw and is a media circus with the media bringing it up 5 times a week " Are you going start your 4th RB at QB today?"

 

[The Rammer]

Oh wow, thank you so much for posting numbers that are available after a quick google search. I had no idea.

In case you forgot, one of our QBs had a 64.0% completion percentage, 27 to 2 TD to Int Ratio, and 2891 yards only two years ago. Yet, he is not a good starting QB. But stats are the end all be all, right?

Look, I like Ryan Fitzpatrick. But he's not a good QB. He shouldn't be paid like one. He's serviceable. But right now, he has Eric Decker and Brandon Marshall at WR. A good OL. And a good running game. Basically, he has an excellent supporting cast. I'd certainly take Fitzpatrick on this team next year...but not at $14+ million a year. The Bills gave him $10 million a year on a 6 year deal and ended up cutting him only 1.5 years later.

So maybe you're not following me...I'm not throwing a bunch of money at Ryan Fitzpatrick this off-season. Not to mention the Jets will have first crack at re-signing him and I think they will re-sign him. Because Chan Gailey loves him. He loves it there. And he knows he is surrounded by talent.

Oh wow does that sound like somebody you know? Googling stats thinking their a know it all and pretends their an NFL scout?

 

[jrry32]

Oh wow does that sound like somebody you know? Googling stats thinking their a know it all and pretends their an NFL scout?

If you had said that he's a 10 year old, I would have guessed you. But without that, I'm not so sure.

 

[fearsomefour]

Yeah I realize I shouldn't be surprised by the extent of the negativity in the responses, given what a polarizing player he is with our fan base. Just looking at this as a pure "buy low" option, which is a good approach overall any time you're evaluating potential additions from other rosters. I see him as a kid whose antics are overplayed in the media, and for me it's a simple matter of estimating to what extent his alcohol dependency is going to affect his career. To me that is countered a bit by the fact that he's a low cap hit at the QB position for the next two seasons.

From what I'm seeing on the field the guy belongs at this level. That's important, because if the Rams see it that way then it comes down to the alcohol risk as well as the question of how the Browns have handled him. But anyway, appreciate the responses and keepin me grounded. You guys are the wind beneath my wings.

Manziel hasn't played terribly for being such a young player.
Given that and the fact they invested a first round pick in him, why would Cleveland dump him for the third given his low cap number?

 

[Riverumbbq]

Manziel hasn't played terribly for being such a young player.
Given that and the fact they invested a first round pick in him, why would Cleveland dump him for the third given his low cap number?

Manziel isn't a real threat as a traditional pocket passer, the Browns have no run game, but they do have some WR's and a pretty good OL when healthy. With no rush, DB's have an easier time against them controlling the flow of the game. If Cleveland builds a rushing attack, Manziel might have a better opportunity, but as of now, he's just not a good scheme fit, imo. I'd be very surprised if the Browns don't use that high first round pick on Goff or Lynch.
Not too many new rookie QB's would appreciate having a still very young first round drafted Manziel looking over their shoulder, Manziel would definitely be a distraction. The CAP hit wouldn't be significantly higher, as both players are 1'st rounders, although the new guy would still be more based on where he's drafted. Cleveland has appeared in the past to be fed up with some of Manziel's partying antics, so it's easy to believe they are highlighting him here in the later part of the season as trade bait. Manziel's trade value drops from character issues and he isn't a good scheme fit for most NFL teams, although Fisher and Jerry Jones have expressed past interest.
While in the minority, I believe Manziel could be a pretty good fit in a Fisher offense. jmo.

 

[SuperMan28]

FUMBLE!!! Game over

 

[SuperMan28]

Eat it, weak arse Seahawks!!!

 

[SuperMan28]

They've led in 62 straight games. Not going to be 63

 

[Merlin]

Manziel hasn't played terribly for being such a young player. Given that and the fact they invested a first round pick in him, why would Cleveland dump him for the third given his low cap number?

I would make the offer and see if something shakes out Fearsome. Browns are going to have a high pick and I think they will want to take another QB that doesn't scare them with potential for scandals. My guess is he goes somewhere for roughly a 3rd round pick, give or take a round. His value is not garbage, but he's also had off field issues that will scare many teams and needs a steady hand which the Rams do have in Fisher.

 

[jrry32]

I would make the offer and see if something shakes out Fearsome. Browns are going to have a high pick and I think they will want to take another QB that doesn't scare them with potential for scandals. My guess is he goes somewhere for roughly a 3rd round pick, give or take a round. His value is not garbage, but he's also had off field issues that will scare many teams and needs a steady hand which the Rams do have in Fisher.

But why? Why are we going to give up a valuable pick for Manziel? Why pay a 3rd for him when you can get Glennon for a 4th or Daniel in FA? What has Manziel shown? He's been outplayed by Josh McCown this year.

 

[Merlin]

Except he's not playing under extreme pressure. He's had all day in the pocket when the Chiefs haven't blitzed. We're not getting Manziel for free. We're giving up a 3rd. He's not playing like a QB worth trading a 3rd for.

Not gonna try to convince you jrry. But I will say that I'm tired of seeing Fisher and Snead hit on picks at all other positions except for QB and this team missing the playoffs. I'd wager a 3rd round pick on the longshot chance that a young vet QB entering his third year figures it out just in time to help my program.

 

[FRO]

No thanks to Manziel. A QB has to be able to throw the ball. He was horrible throwing today. He makes very questionable decisions too. He is an outstanding scrambler. That's it. He still bails from clean pockets like he did in college. Let's get a QB that can consistently beat teams from the pocket.

 

[Merlin]

But why? Why are we going to give up a valuable pick for Manziel? Why pay a 3rd for him when you can get Glennon for a 4th or Daniel in FA? What has Manziel shown? He's been outplayed by Josh McCown this year.

Upside my friend. We all see it differently. You see it in Glennon, but me? Not so much. Manziel is one of those young guys that I think has upside to start at this level and do very well. He has unique talents you cannot coach.

 

[jrry32]

Not gonna try to convince you jrry. But I will say that I'm tired of seeing Fisher and Snead hit on picks at all other positions except for QB and this team missing the playoffs. I'd wager a 3rd round pick on the longshot chance that a young vet QB entering his third year figures it out just in time to help my program.

Then let's use a premium pick on a QB rather than taking another team's left-overs.

Upside my friend. We all see it differently. You see it in Glennon, but me? Not so much. Manziel is one of those young guys that I think has upside to start at this level and do very well. He has unique talents you cannot coach.

I don't really see it in Glennon. I don't see it in either QB.

And I don't think his talents are all that unique. Plenty of running QBs have played in the NFL. Unique is finding an athletic QB that can win from the pocket. Thus far, that isn't Manziel.

 

[Ballhawk]

If you want a Johnny Football type of QB then get Daniel. He can throw the ball as well as run.

 

[fancents86]

A third for Manziel?? I think id rather DNA rifle punch myself for the entire season than watch that train wreck.