Hump Day is now also Legendary Poll Day

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Officially.

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Question: Can Bradford be as good as Warner one day? Your options are above.

Here is the statistical benchmark Bradford must meet over the course of his career.
2666 completions on 4070 attempts for 32344 yards, 208 touchdowns and 128 interceptions.

Over the course of 12 years, that's an average of ...
221 completions on 339 attempts for 2695 yards, 17 touchdowns and 11 interceptions per year.

AND - 3 Superbowl Appearances.

 

[albefree69]

I voted that you're high and sent you a PM asking if you would share some of that with me. :thbbt:

Warner's stats include his years dealing with the thumb injury and playing with crappy teams.
Can Sam match those stats? Probably.

Can Sam ever match the stats that Warner had over 3+ years? No.

Can Sam ever take two teams to the SB (with one of them a perennially dysfunctional team like the Cards)? No.

 

[RhodyRams]

3) Depends on the new toys he has...if they work out as expected then yes, he will match and beat Warners stats... although 3 Super Bowls might be a stretch

 

[Barrison]

The only way this is possible is if we surround Sam with an equal or better level of talent, than what we had with the GSOT is easier said than done as we obviously realize lol.

 

[rickrawk]

I picked #2 because HEY, he's a Rams quarterback!!

GO RAMS!!!!

 

[bluecoconuts]

That stat line is something that Bradford should (somewhat) easily surpass, barring anything happening that prevents him (I.E. the I word)... The 3 SB appearances is the hard part.

But I think he's going to retire with a ring, if not 2. Even if he only makes the big game once and comes out with a win, that's okay.. It doesn't matter how many times you make it to the dance, how many times you win is what counts. So put me down for yes.

 

[Ram Quixote]

Can Sam ever take two teams to the SB (with one of them a perennially dysfunctional team like the Cards)? No.

I certainly don't want him to take another team to the SB. I want him to keep taking the Rams. :hehe:

 

[Flipper_336]

My response to the question posed in the poll was that you must be high. Kurt Warner was, at his peak, one of the greatest quarterbacks to ever play the game, blessed with a lightning fast release, the ability to go through his reads in milliseconds and able to throw pretty much every pass in the book. If he had come from a more traditional NFL "story" background (high school star, first round pick, bla bla bla), played for a more fashionable franchise and not had those hand problems, there is no doubt that he'd be held in higher regard by non-Ram fans. Those of us who saw him play will remember just how brilliant he was.

I see a lot of ability in Sam Bradford and I think that, given the right tools, he can lead this franchise to SuperBowl glory. However, I don't believe that he has the same innate ability that Warner possessed.

 

[A55VA6]

Warner had weapons. If Bradford has weapons, and maintains them for a long time.. I think he can be better.

 

[DR RAM]

I picked "it depends". Because it depends on:

#1 His surrounding cast performing at a level commiserate to Warner's supporting cast. This includes coaching.

#2 Bradford continuing to improve his overall game.

#3 Officiating that at least is equal, to best, goes the Rams way.

#4 The defense being solid and opportunistic.

#5 Pure luck.

Reason that I believe:

#1 Bradford may even have more arm talent than Warner, but he will have to prove the other intangibles that make a great QB. Kurt had intangibles up the ying yang.

#2 Fisher and Snead are building a new kind of monster here, and it is a monster that has tremendous speed, flexibility, and sustainability.

#3 I'm a diehard Rams fan, but I wouldn't bullshit you. This team, with Bradford at the helm, has a chance to be real special, but everyone has to perform and buy in. If Flacco and Eli can win Superbowls, I see no reason why Sam can't. I believe in him until he proves me otherwise.

 

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I picked "it depends". Because it depends on:

#1 His surrounding cast performing at a level commiserate to Warner's supporting cast. This includes coaching.

#2 Bradford continuing to improve his overall game.

#3 Officiating that at least is equal, to best, goes the Rams way.

#4 The defense being solid and opportunistic.

#5 Pure luck.

Reason that I believe:

#1 Bradford may even have more arm talent than Warner, but he will have to prove the other intangibles that make a great QB. Kurt had intangibles up the ying yang.

#2 Fisher and Snead are building a new kind of monster here, and it is a monster that has tremendous speed, flexibility, and sustainability.

#3 I'm a diehard Rams fan, but I wouldn't bullshit you. This team, with Bradford at the helm, has a chance to be real special, but everyone has to perform and buy in. If Flacco and Eli can win Superbowls, I see no reason why Sam can't. I believe in him until he proves me otherwise.

That's 100% what I think as well.

One. Hundred. Percent.

 

[Ram Quixote]

Officially.

Starting ......


NOW.

Question: Can Bradford be as good as Warner one day? Your options are above.

Here is the statistical benchmark Bradford must meet over the course of his career.
2666 completions on 4070 attempts for 32344 yards, 208 touchdowns and 128 interceptions.

Over the course of 12 years, that's an average of ...
221 completions on 339 attempts for 2695 yards, 17 touchdowns and 11 interceptions per year.

AND - 3 Superbowl Appearances.

Averaging Warner's stats over 12 seasons is misleading. He hardly played in 2003 or 2005. Half a season in 2004, 2002. How much did he actually play in '98?

On the other hand, Warner's top seasons benefited from having great playmakers.

 

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Oh, and by the way. I only listed his stats so that the first person who posted them would also have (beforehand) the accompanying average yearly breakdown. As others have pointed out, matching his career output isn't that daunting a task. The REAL question is ... can Bradford make it happen without WR pairings the likes of Holt/Bruce/Hakim and Fitzgerald/Boldin/Breaston? Maybe. He's now got (unproven of course) Givens/Quick/Austin/Pettis who should be around and at Bradford's disposal for at least 4 more years.

As Doc pointed out - Luck. Every SB team needs it. The Cards went to the SB on the heels of a 9-7 record.

Fisher and Snead are absolutely building a team that can sustain success if most everyone stays healthy and keeps the fires lit. The former is the hard part. The latter is coaching. In my opinion, Bradford has every bit the tools Kurt Warner had, and is every bit as smart. The only thing he needs to develop that Kurt has, is that "I don't give a fuck" attitude in the pocket. Strong in the face of pressure right after he isolates that favorable matchup. Kurt said, essentially, that THAT was all he attributed his success to. Find it, hit it. Nobody here can tell me that Bradford doesn't have the same arm strength or that he doesn't throw a prettier ball (because he does). It's all upstairs where the improvement needs to happen. Then - and only then - can he become as good as Kurt.

 

[Selassie I]

I voted "without a doubt".

And yes,,, I am high as well.

 

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Averaging Warner's stats over 12 seasons is misleading. He hardly played in 2003 or 2005. Half a season in 2004, 2002. How much did he actually play in '98?

On the other hand, Warner's top seasons benefited from having great playmakers.

That's his problem. I don't feel like doing calculus. :lol: Bradford missed a piece of 2011, and he might miss a piece of a few other seasons in the next 8 years and beyond too. The bottom line is what everyone sees - the actual bottom line.

The kicker here in this discussion is the SB appearances, but as you also pointed out ... the variables (supporting cast) are ALL KINDS of different. "All things being equal" isn't even a statement you can make when comparing the two right now. Hopefully Bradford gets to enjoy that kind of talent. For all our sakes.

 

[DR RAM]

The real benchmark will be getting to the playoffs every year, and then performing once we get there. I'd love to start this year, and I think it's possible, not probable, but the future appears to be very bright with the roster that we currently have going forward.

To RQ, I guess we'll have to throw out Sam's 2011 season, if we start down that slippery slope.

 

[DR RAM]

X, our biorhythms must be on the same moon today, or wherever they live, lol.

 

[albefree69]

Ram Quixote admonished:
I certainly don't want him to take another team to the SB. I want him to keep taking the Rams. :hehe:

Excellent point and I'm with you there Sir Knight.! :lol:

 

[CGI_Ram]

I picked #2 because HEY, he's a Rams quarterback!!

GO RAMS!!!!

I can support that logic! :cheese:

 

[CGI_Ram]

I picked "it depends". Because it depends on:

#1 His surrounding cast performing at a level commiserate to Warner's supporting cast. This includes coaching.

#2 Bradford continuing to improve his overall game.

#3 Officiating that at least is equal, to best, goes the Rams way.

#4 The defense being solid and opportunistic.

#5 Pure luck.

Reason that I believe:

#1 Bradford may even have more arm talent than Warner, but he will have to prove the other intangibles that make a great QB. Kurt had intangibles up the ying yang.

#2 Fisher and Snead are building a new kind of monster here, and it is a monster that has tremendous speed, flexibility, and sustainability.

#3 I'm a diehard Rams fan, but I wouldn't BS you. This team, with Bradford at the helm, has a chance to be real special, but everyone has to perform and buy in. If Flacco and Eli can win Superbowls, I see no reason why Sam can't. I believe in him until he proves me otherwise.

Well put. Co-sign.