Thordaddy
Binding you with ancient logic
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I just don't agree with the bold part. Absolutely, our defense dominated this game and they are the strength of this team.
But the team won. Take away those points that we put up on them, let their offense remain patient and it's a different game entirely. Heck, I think even the two-point conversion that we got following their own failed attempt at a punt fake was a tremendous affect on the momentum of the game as a whole.
Others may not agree, but I bet Williams will thank Shottenheimer at the end of the game for helping to achieve two shut-outs in a row.
Could our offense be better? Absolutely, but I do think the offensive line needs to continue to be developed before we can see what major affect any quarterback or coordinator has on the team.
I agree that without us scoring on offense even the Washington offense would eventually score or their defense or special teams would ,and further that a huge part of why we scored was because our defense didn't allow a play inside the red zone , the bolded part was in reference to numbers only , my point was pretty well the same , and even more than just that it was not just a team win but to that if we were going to attribute the win to a player and what he did ( which you can't) the QB wasn't alone in advancing the idea .
It was the Rams who won yesterday and it was a pretty balanced team effort and that either of our QB's benefiting from that team effort would not have had the pressure to score would have been able to manage not to lose the game and done enough good things to not be seen as having held the team back, in fact without replaying the whole game I can think of at least three passes that our recs. made catches where they had to turn around to catch the ball or the ball was behind them and they made above average catches .
On the o-line , I'm good with drafting a guard 1st round if there is one who we rank as a value OR trading down if there is a good chance we can get one and recoup some choices.
I think R&G summed the situation up pretty well, if you want to evaluate QB's you can't go to the w-l column legitimately without considering the play of our D and the caliber of the D they each faced .
I'd be OK with Hill as our 2a, and Davis as 2b next year but if I was making the decision I'd go the opposite and give Davis some more time ,hell once the numbers indicate we are completely out of it, I'd probably get Davis in some more this year and see what he could do with the kind of defensive effort we are getting since Long has come back, if Fisher doesn't do that I don't think Davis will be back next year. I wouldn't be opposed to seeing some of Keenum either .
ALL THAT SAID, when Sam went down I was sure we had no chance of competing outside the division even if we had the success inside we IMO will have , as the shock wore off I considered that IF we lived up to billing on defense and the recs. were enough better this year Stacy picked up where he left off ,our special teams played above average Hill could do what it takes to have a wild card shot not much more. But those things didn't happen for Davis, Mason blossomed, the special teams did some good things and the defense became dominant for Hill and it is my expectation that had Davis had the same support as Hill clearly has had , this thread would never have existed Davis would never have been benched and we'd be at least two game better than we are now and some would think he was the QB of the future ,not sure that I would be among them.
I am however pretty sure though that Hill's future is not going to be as a starter in anyone's plans for next year especially ours because next year will be Fisher's make or break year he has already said next year he's expecting Sam back and that if a QB is going to determine a lot about his destiny it won't be Shaun.