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I like Mike Florio's site and go over there many times a day but for an ex-lawyer, and one would have to assume an educated man, he sure comes up with some specious reasoning and bone-headed remarks at times. He refers to Fisher as Captain Obvious but Florio should refer to himself as Captain Hindsight.
Sure, we passed on Russell Wilson but so did every other team until the third round. No one knows if he would have fit in with the Rams and thrived in Schottenheimer's offense. Plus we would have missed out on the players we have now. Trying to go back and redo past drafts is a fool's game.
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/12/04/fisher-states-the-obvious-on-griffin-trade/
Fisher states the obvious on Griffin trade
Posted by Mike Florio on December 4, 2014
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Earlier this week, Jon Stewart suggested that Rams coach Jeff Fisher has a little Nick Nolte vibe. On Wednesday, Fisher opted to play the role of Captain Obvious.
Does he have any regrets giving up the second overall pick in the 2012 draft for the sixth overall pick, two more first-round picks, and a second-round pick?
“No regrets,” Fisher told reporters, via comments circulated by the team. “At the time it was a good deal for us and it was a good deal for Washington.”
But it’s become a bad deal for Washington. And that’s the team whose sodium-pentothaled answer to the question of potential regrets would be far more intriguing than whether the Rams regret passing on a quarterback who burned bright as a rookie but has since burned out, potentially.
“We drafted eight players, seven of which are on our roster,” Fisher said. “But I think you have to look past that. We’ve got defensive starters. We got [defensive tackle Michael Brockers]. . . . We got [offensive lineman] Greg Robinson as a result of that. More importantly than that because of those that we drafted through the trade with Washington, we were able to do some other things.”
Fisher should have no regrets about what he got for the second overall pick in 2012. However, there’s one specific reason to have regrets about that draft from nearly three years ago. Of the 74 picks used before the Seahawks took quarterback Russell Wilson, the Rams had five of them.
From Michael Brockers to Brian Quick to Janoris Jenkins to Isaiah Pead to Trumaine Johnson, the Rams consistently passed on the man they now play twice per year. The man who won a Super Bowl in his second season. The man who would be the clear-cut starter in St. Louis right now, and the Rams would be much better off for it.
Of those five players, the most glaring misfire was Pead. After a pair of disappointing seasons, Pead suffered a torn ACL in the preseason, was waived with the “injured” designation, was unclaimed by any of the other 31 teams despite being the 50th overall pick in the draft two years earlier, and likely will be a former Ram, sooner than later.
The goal here isn’t to pick on the Rams. But it’s impossible to talk about regrets relating to quarterbacks and the 2012 draft without mentioning Wilson, especially when talking about the team that passed on him more times than any other team did.
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Talk about love fest for Wilson, huh?! Other than Pead, the Rams did a good job using those picks. Yes, they play Wilson twice a year but were not the only team that passed up on him.
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Hindsight is 20/20. More often than not a pick doesn’t pan out at all, so getting a set of starters is a success.
If you’re playing the draft game, the Rams could have stayed at #6 and taken Luke Kuechly. They could have taken Alshon Jeffery over Brian Quick. They could have used any of their picks on Vontaze Burfict.
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As a skins fan, I can rest easy knowing that Bruce Allen would have wasted all those draft picks on busts or trades for washed up players. Enjoy, STL!
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With that kind of haul, his team should have a much better record than it does.
But somehow, Fisher manages to have the media in a perpetual state of wonderment as to home he manages to “achieve” an 8-8 record.
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Drafting is an imperfect science and none of these coaches/GM’s can predict with any certainty who will and won’t be good in the NFL. Which is why mortgaging your future for one player is so dumb. The Patriots constantly trade out of the first round, are always stock piling later round picks, and Bill struggles mightily in the later rounds……. But despite all of his faults as a GM I know he would never make a trade like this.
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And with all those picks, he’s still under 500 coaching the Rams; Ha!! Most over rated coach of all time.
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And if everyone could see into the future, the Seahawks wouldn’t have signed Matt Flynn to a deal that guarantees him $9M a month before the draft. Every team every year has those what if situations about a player they passed up on.
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Because Florio, you knew Russell Wilson was going to be that good. Maybe you should lend your crystal ball to the teams you like.
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No one thought Wilson would be as good as he is or he wouldn’t have been picked 75th. Even the Seahawks passed on him twice. You might as well say that you regret not buying the right numbers in the powerball draw. If it was a clear case of one or the other sure. Plus it’s not like the Rams even drafted another QB. Like if the Colts had picked RG3 then yes they would regret not picking Luck but to fault the Rams for doing what EVERY other team did TWICE is an absurd argument.
Would they be better off had they picked Wilson over Pead? Sure. But they’d be even better off had they picked Aaron Rodgers a few years ago or Tom Brady back in 2000.
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Still trying to see how it was a good deal for the Rams? They have finished in last place every year since the trade, and only one of those teams won a division title. Not too mention RG3 won rookie of the year. Right now it’s a wash, especially since Washington can’t draft anyway and would have screwed the picks up regardless.
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This goes back to putting all of their eggs in one basket with an oft-injured Bradford.
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If you have a QB with a huge cap number, then it can be a huge advantage to start finding another one so that you have the ability to try and pass the other QB off in a trade to create some cap room while making roster room for a value QB. Every team should aspire to have more than one potential quality QB anyhow as a matter of depth and flexibility. The draft is a game of leverage and logic, and the key is make sure every pick has a very strategic purpose behind it. If you can’t identify a player that is an obvious sensible pick with each pick, then it becomes an art in moving from that pick to consolidate the value to acquire a premium target or to trade down to acquire more draft chips to work with.
I thought it was a great trade at the time for the Rams and a horrible trade for Washington based on the value of the picks being exchanged. The time to evaluate a trade is at the time the trade is made because everything should be looked at as material that has calculated expected values. To judge a trade after seeing how players pan out is a separate score of how you utilize the choices as a matter of scouting and planning, but the setup of the board and assembly of the pieces to have those opportunities is a different game in itself.
And while the Rams made a great trade, that doesn’t mean they should have stopped there and not looked for more good trades to make if they weren’t going to hit on using those picks well while other high-quality QB prospects were on the board for some of those extra picks.
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Constantly harping on teams that passed on Russell Wilson isn’t fair or constructive. Wilson was a diamond in the rough not an obvious pick that everyone saw coming. The Rams also have had a lot of faith and time invested in Sam Bradford, they didn’t need a QB then.
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Of course he has no regrets! even if Griffin wasn’t a bust, that’s still quite a haul of picks for 1 guy.. Even if Griffin was Jonny Unitas, you make that trade
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Wilson landed on the best young team in football at the time. I can’t remember a rookie QB who landed in a better spot. Who knows if he would have been good on the Rams.
Griffin, however, would have done nothing on this team like the Redskins.
Sure, we passed on Russell Wilson but so did every other team until the third round. No one knows if he would have fit in with the Rams and thrived in Schottenheimer's offense. Plus we would have missed out on the players we have now. Trying to go back and redo past drafts is a fool's game.
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/12/04/fisher-states-the-obvious-on-griffin-trade/
Fisher states the obvious on Griffin trade
Posted by Mike Florio on December 4, 2014
Earlier this week, Jon Stewart suggested that Rams coach Jeff Fisher has a little Nick Nolte vibe. On Wednesday, Fisher opted to play the role of Captain Obvious.
Does he have any regrets giving up the second overall pick in the 2012 draft for the sixth overall pick, two more first-round picks, and a second-round pick?
“No regrets,” Fisher told reporters, via comments circulated by the team. “At the time it was a good deal for us and it was a good deal for Washington.”
But it’s become a bad deal for Washington. And that’s the team whose sodium-pentothaled answer to the question of potential regrets would be far more intriguing than whether the Rams regret passing on a quarterback who burned bright as a rookie but has since burned out, potentially.
“We drafted eight players, seven of which are on our roster,” Fisher said. “But I think you have to look past that. We’ve got defensive starters. We got [defensive tackle Michael Brockers]. . . . We got [offensive lineman] Greg Robinson as a result of that. More importantly than that because of those that we drafted through the trade with Washington, we were able to do some other things.”
Fisher should have no regrets about what he got for the second overall pick in 2012. However, there’s one specific reason to have regrets about that draft from nearly three years ago. Of the 74 picks used before the Seahawks took quarterback Russell Wilson, the Rams had five of them.
From Michael Brockers to Brian Quick to Janoris Jenkins to Isaiah Pead to Trumaine Johnson, the Rams consistently passed on the man they now play twice per year. The man who won a Super Bowl in his second season. The man who would be the clear-cut starter in St. Louis right now, and the Rams would be much better off for it.
Of those five players, the most glaring misfire was Pead. After a pair of disappointing seasons, Pead suffered a torn ACL in the preseason, was waived with the “injured” designation, was unclaimed by any of the other 31 teams despite being the 50th overall pick in the draft two years earlier, and likely will be a former Ram, sooner than later.
The goal here isn’t to pick on the Rams. But it’s impossible to talk about regrets relating to quarterbacks and the 2012 draft without mentioning Wilson, especially when talking about the team that passed on him more times than any other team did.
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Talk about love fest for Wilson, huh?! Other than Pead, the Rams did a good job using those picks. Yes, they play Wilson twice a year but were not the only team that passed up on him.
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Hindsight is 20/20. More often than not a pick doesn’t pan out at all, so getting a set of starters is a success.
If you’re playing the draft game, the Rams could have stayed at #6 and taken Luke Kuechly. They could have taken Alshon Jeffery over Brian Quick. They could have used any of their picks on Vontaze Burfict.
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As a skins fan, I can rest easy knowing that Bruce Allen would have wasted all those draft picks on busts or trades for washed up players. Enjoy, STL!
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With that kind of haul, his team should have a much better record than it does.
But somehow, Fisher manages to have the media in a perpetual state of wonderment as to home he manages to “achieve” an 8-8 record.
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Drafting is an imperfect science and none of these coaches/GM’s can predict with any certainty who will and won’t be good in the NFL. Which is why mortgaging your future for one player is so dumb. The Patriots constantly trade out of the first round, are always stock piling later round picks, and Bill struggles mightily in the later rounds……. But despite all of his faults as a GM I know he would never make a trade like this.
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And with all those picks, he’s still under 500 coaching the Rams; Ha!! Most over rated coach of all time.
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And if everyone could see into the future, the Seahawks wouldn’t have signed Matt Flynn to a deal that guarantees him $9M a month before the draft. Every team every year has those what if situations about a player they passed up on.
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Because Florio, you knew Russell Wilson was going to be that good. Maybe you should lend your crystal ball to the teams you like.
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No one thought Wilson would be as good as he is or he wouldn’t have been picked 75th. Even the Seahawks passed on him twice. You might as well say that you regret not buying the right numbers in the powerball draw. If it was a clear case of one or the other sure. Plus it’s not like the Rams even drafted another QB. Like if the Colts had picked RG3 then yes they would regret not picking Luck but to fault the Rams for doing what EVERY other team did TWICE is an absurd argument.
Would they be better off had they picked Wilson over Pead? Sure. But they’d be even better off had they picked Aaron Rodgers a few years ago or Tom Brady back in 2000.
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Still trying to see how it was a good deal for the Rams? They have finished in last place every year since the trade, and only one of those teams won a division title. Not too mention RG3 won rookie of the year. Right now it’s a wash, especially since Washington can’t draft anyway and would have screwed the picks up regardless.
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This goes back to putting all of their eggs in one basket with an oft-injured Bradford.
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If you have a QB with a huge cap number, then it can be a huge advantage to start finding another one so that you have the ability to try and pass the other QB off in a trade to create some cap room while making roster room for a value QB. Every team should aspire to have more than one potential quality QB anyhow as a matter of depth and flexibility. The draft is a game of leverage and logic, and the key is make sure every pick has a very strategic purpose behind it. If you can’t identify a player that is an obvious sensible pick with each pick, then it becomes an art in moving from that pick to consolidate the value to acquire a premium target or to trade down to acquire more draft chips to work with.
I thought it was a great trade at the time for the Rams and a horrible trade for Washington based on the value of the picks being exchanged. The time to evaluate a trade is at the time the trade is made because everything should be looked at as material that has calculated expected values. To judge a trade after seeing how players pan out is a separate score of how you utilize the choices as a matter of scouting and planning, but the setup of the board and assembly of the pieces to have those opportunities is a different game in itself.
And while the Rams made a great trade, that doesn’t mean they should have stopped there and not looked for more good trades to make if they weren’t going to hit on using those picks well while other high-quality QB prospects were on the board for some of those extra picks.
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Constantly harping on teams that passed on Russell Wilson isn’t fair or constructive. Wilson was a diamond in the rough not an obvious pick that everyone saw coming. The Rams also have had a lot of faith and time invested in Sam Bradford, they didn’t need a QB then.
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Of course he has no regrets! even if Griffin wasn’t a bust, that’s still quite a haul of picks for 1 guy.. Even if Griffin was Jonny Unitas, you make that trade
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Wilson landed on the best young team in football at the time. I can’t remember a rookie QB who landed in a better spot. Who knows if he would have been good on the Rams.
Griffin, however, would have done nothing on this team like the Redskins.