Covid 19 thread

[12intheBox]

Funny. Everyone is packing when a dick joke shows up. Coincidence?

As for the article, I skimmed it and stopped at the word “might”. It “might” cause sexual and reproductive problems. Let me ask you this. Where’s your line on the fear porn? Meaning, at what point do you say, “Wait. Is this really this bad? Or is something else going on here?” Or is “the science” all infallible doctrine now? Serious question. Are you just gonna accept everything that comes out now in the face of knowing that there is only a very specific demographic that’s vulnerable to this? Or is there even a small part of you that sees how the doomsaying is starting to get a bit much.

its a fair question. And one that ask myself fairly frequently. In general - I’m a risk taker. I’ve gone bungee jumping, hang-gliding, done more than my share of substances, bowed up to the wrong people - I believe in the concept of being here for a good time and not necessarily a long time.

with Covid, I’m not really afraid for myself - I’m more afraid of hurting someone else. I interact with more people than almost anyone I know on a daily basis. Every day someone wearing a chin diaper is getting right into my face to “whisper” to me about something stupid. So, knowing that I am more likely to be a spreader than most people are, what do I do with that? I can say, fuck it - and live my life - or I can sacrifice for what I think is the greater good.

is there a part of me that worries that I go too far? Absolutely. I second guess the shit out of myself. I’m responsible for the protocols that my family follows and that my firm follows. Do I take it too far on behalf of them? Maybe so.

when I think of the “something else going on here” - I get a bit stumped. Do I think this is a global conspiracy? No - frankly, I think that is tin hat talk.

Do I think that science is infallible? No, and neither does science. That is why they use words like “might” in initial studies. They acknowledge the difference between a hypothesis and a fact.

as for who is vulnerable - I don’t really care, to be honest. I have people over 65 in my life that I love very much - people I would sacrifice for. And honestly, I hope that I would sacrifice just for strangers who are in that high risk group. The ask is really not that high. I can wear the uncomfortable mask - I can stay home more often than I like - I can make less money. People have historically been asked to sacrifice a lot more to protect each other. I can do this much.

 

[Dz1]

That's the purpose of a quarantine, isolate the infected or the most vulnerable from the public. Not the other way around.

All I'm saying is S Korea has done the best, less than 500 deaths with 51 mill plus and we are at what ?

230 thou plus with 324 mill or so,WTF, why can't we do better ?

And their economy has done better than ours and in fact if we want to get into economies, China is the only 1 that actually grew this year.

I look at it like this , shut it down, slow it down big time and our economy will come back Big Time.

I also believe there should be another stimulus package to help folks.

Me I'm lucky, house is paid for,car is owned etc etc but I do live on 1,350 a month,so I ain't rich lol.

All I'm saying is let's kick this MF BS Covid to The Curve.

Peace Out my Ram Brother.

 

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I have people over 65 in my life that I love very much - people I would sacrifice for. And honestly, I hope that I would sacrifice just for strangers who are in that high risk group. The ask is really not that high. I can wear the uncomfortable mask - I can stay home more often than I like - I can make less money. People have historically been asked to sacrifice a lot more to protect each other. I can do this much.

We agree here. As I suspect the majority of people do also. That’s why I think we’re all talking past each other on the subject of masks. Do I think they work? Honestly, maybe just a little. A negligible amount. But do I wear them anyway to foster a general feeling of safety for others? You bet. That doesn’t inconvenience me. I’ve said as much continuously throughout this thread.

My issue lies with the authoritarianism surrounding the subject. The shaming. The talking down to others on the basis of someone else not being a good little foot soldier of the Experts. It’s healthy to question experts, because experts have been historically wrong about a GREAT number of things. Nobody deserves free license to dictate policy or to have people genuflect at them because they hold an advanced degree in something that doesn’t always translate to that on which they opine. Right?

But anyway. We agree that we should all be caring humans, even if it means accommodating someone else at the expense of what you believe. It ain’t much to ask in this case.

 

[Dz1]

Nope. The fact that their estimate leaves room for an error of as much as 80,000 should tell you something. It doesn’t. But it should.

Double nope.

You’ll be alright.
Live your life.

Just like less than 500 deaths in a population of 51 mill should Tell You and many others something, Duh.

230 thou plus and growing.

Don't be scared, it will be Otay.

 

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Just like less than 500 deaths in a population of 51 mill should Tell You and many others something, Duh.

230 thou plus and growing.

Don't be scared, it will be Otay.

I already addressed that, but you thought my words were too fancy. I don’t know how to communicate without words, so you’ll have to painstakingly read it again I’m afraid.

it’s also not 230k. That’s also been addressed. People don’t wreck a motorcycle going 90 and die of Covid. They don’t get shot and die of Covid. They don’t have a heart attack because of Covid. And they don’t die of respiratory disease because of Covid. If they did, then the flu deaths in this Country need to be retallied and ALL the respiratory-related deaths need to be included in the flu death totals. They won’t though, because that also wouldn’t make any sense.

Me? “Scared”? Lol. You don’t know me.

 

[dieterbrock]

All I'm saying is S Korea has done the best, less than 500 deaths with 51 mill plus and we are at what ?

230 thou plus with 324 mill or so,WTF, why can't we do better ?

And their economy has done better than ours and in fact if we want to get into economies, China is the only 1 that actually grew this year.

I look at it like this , shut it down, slow it down big time and our economy will come back Big Time.

I also believe there should be another stimulus package to help folks.

Me I'm lucky, house is paid for,car is owned etc etc but I do live on 1,350 a month,so I ain't rich lol.

All I'm saying is let's kick this MF BS Covid to The Curve.

Peace Out my Ram Brother.

Because comparing the USA to South Korea is about as accurate as comparing a light bulb to a polar bear. Congrats to South Korea and all that but when we live in fear of attack from Canada like SoKo lives with their neighbor up North, the discussion could begin. Otherwise we may as well be complaining that the moon is handling it much better than the earth.
Frankly, I'm just tired of the incessant need for blame, making an enemy out of one or another. The enemy isnt the masks, the politics, the awareness etc, the enemy is the virus.
Shutting down? How one can claim to want to protect our elders, and yet ignore the effect that does to the rest of society is beyond comprehension.

 

[Dz1]

I already addressed that, but you thought my words were too fancy. I don’t know how to communicate without words, so you’ll have to painstakingly read it again I’m afraid.

it’s also not 230k. That’s also been addressed. People don’t wreck a motorcycle going 90 and die of Covid. They don’t get shot and die of Covid. They don’t have a heart attack because of Covid. And they don’t die of respiratory disease because of Covid. If they did, then the flu deaths in this Country need to be retallied and ALL the respiratory-related deaths need to be included in the flu death totals. They won’t though, because that also wouldn’t make any sense.

Me? “Scared”? Lol. You don’t know me.

Columbia U doesn't come up with a 130/210 numbers unless more than 210 thousand have died.

Yes and yes they died because of this,that etc etc and this news group is saying this that for political reasons etc etc.

And Fauci is an Idiot, he's only been in charge since Reagan, but hey some dude from NY who is going to be going to trail after trail knows more.

America has ended that parade.

No disrespects X you are much better with words debate than I am etc etc You're a Helluva poster .

Me I'm simple, if S Korea has numbers so much greater, why not follow them. ?

 

[12intheBox]

We agree here. As I suspect the majority of people do also. That’s why I think we’re all talking past each other on the subject of masks. Do I think they work? Honestly, maybe just a little. A negligible amount. But do I wear them anyway to foster a general feeling of safety for others? You bet. That doesn’t inconvenience me. I’ve said as much continuously throughout this thread.

My issue lies with the authoritarianism surrounding the subject. The shaming. The talking down to others on the basis of someone else not being a good little foot soldier of the Experts. It’s healthy to question experts, because experts have been historically wrong about a GREAT number of things. Nobody deserves free license to dictate policy or to have people genuflect at them because they hold an advanced degree in something that doesn’t always translate to that on which they opine. Right?

But anyway. We agree that we should all be caring humans, even if it means accommodating someone else at the expense of what you believe. It ain’t much to ask in this case.

I hope I don't come across as talking past anyone. I'm sure I've crossed a few lines in the hundred plus pages of this thread - but I never felt like we were doing anything other than discussing.

And yeah - maybe the majority of people do agree with us. But from what I am seeing - there is not an insignificant number of people who are squarely on the other side of this. I see maskless faces every day - dozens to hundreds of them - I have been mocked for wearing mine more than once. And I live in Asheville!

And questioning experts is fine - really, it is. It just feels a teensy bit inconsistent.

I see people here who want proof. Proof that Covid is dangerous, proof that masks work, proof that rallies have contributed to the spread.

And thats good. Wanting more evidence is not a bad thing at all.

But some of those same people are just certain that this is a manmade virus, that its a political hitjob, that HCQ works, that big tech is in on it all, that hospitals everywhere are faking results, etc. The healthy skepticism flies out the window.

 

[Dz1]

Because comparing the USA to South Korea is about as accurate as comparing a light bulb to a polar bear. Congrats to South Korea and all that but when we live in fear of attack from Canada like SoKo lives with their neighbor up North, the discussion could begin. Otherwise we may as well be complaining that the moon is handling it much better than the earth.
Frankly, I'm just tired of the incessant need for blame, making an enemy out of one or another. The enemy isnt the masks, the politics, the awareness etc, the enemy is the virus.
Shutting down? How one can claim to want to protect our elders, and yet ignore the effect that does to the rest of society is beyond comprehension.

You just compared Canada has a threat to the U.S. like N Korea is to S Korea.

Sorry we need to talk Rams, because imho you really really don't understand what's been going on the DMZ for Years.

 

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Columbia U doesn't come up with a 130/210 numbers unless more than 210 thousand have died.

Yes and yes they died because of this,that etc etc and this news group is saying this that for political reasons etc etc.

And Fauci is an Idiot, he's only been in charge since Reagan, but hey some dude from NY who is going to be going to trail after trail knows more.

America has ended that parade.

No disrespects X you are much better with words debate than I am etc etc You're a Helluva poster .

Me I'm simple, if S Korea has numbers so much greater, why not follow them. ?

No idea what you’re talking about here. But if S Korea is your example, then follow it. Wear a mask and report everyone you ever spoke with to the authorities if you get sick. As I said earlier, we’re already past their point of initial action. We didn’t follow their example because we weren’t a “mask at the first sign of illness” Country. We were, again, specifically told NOT to do that for months.

Follow me here.
We can’t. Unwind. That clock.

We’re doing what we can now, and this will pass. If you think it won’t, then you have no appreciation for the history of pandemics, the majority of which were FAR more deadly than this one, which also passed. 24/7 news cycles and social media are the drivers of fear here. Let it feed you, or don’t. I choose the latter.

 

[Dz1]

No idea what you’re talking about here. But if S Korea is your example, then follow it. Wear a mask and report everyone you ever spoke with to the authorities if you get sick. As I said earlier, we’re already past their point of initial action. We didn’t follow their example because we weren’t a “mask at the first sign of illness” Country. We were, again, specifically told NOT to do that for months.

Follow me here.
We can’t. Unwind. That clock.

We’re doing what we can now, and this will pass. If you think it won’t, then you have no appreciation for the history of pandemics, the majority of which were FAR more deadly than this one, which also passed. 24/7 news cycles and social media are the drivers of fear here. Let it feed you, or don’t. I choose the latter.

Name 1 pandemic since 1918 1919 worst than this 1 ?

Again Columbia U is Not Some Newsgroup or a political machine.

It's an Ivy League College with Top Intelligence.

Now not to be belittling ,but would I believe a ROD poster or 1 of the top U's in the World ?

Jmho someone wants to debate a Columbia U study they will get their Ass handed to them time and time again

 

[snackdaddy]

You just compared Canada has a threat to the U.S. like N Korea is to S Korea.

Sorry we need to talk Rams, because imho you really really don't understand what's been going on the DMZ for Years.

You might want to reread that. He said we don't live with the threat from our neighbor to the north like South Korea does.

 

[Dz1]

You might want to reread that. He said we don't live with the threat from our neighbor to the north like South Korea does.

Thanks Dieter if I misquoted you Apologize.

 

[Dz1]

You might want to reread that. He said we don't live with the threat from our neighbor to the north like South Korea does.

Thanks but what does it matter ?

N Korea messes with S Korea, will bomb the M^^$#* Sh%%$ out them.

Look what we're doing with Tawain lol. China acts all bad and stuff, but.

When we parked two Naval carriers outside their country, we sure got that Hawkeye back.

The U.S. rules.

 

[VegasRam]

No idea what you’re talking about here.

Don't feel like the Lone Ranger.

 

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Name 1 pandemic since 1918 1919 worst than this 1 ?

Since then? Why? The ones before that don’t count? We didn’t survive them? But ok. Since you asked for an answer within a specific timeline.

Hong Kong flu of 68 (still around)
HIV/AIDS (ongoing)

Jmho someone wants to debate a Columbia U study they will get their Ass handed to them time and time again

Sure. They’re the only smart people on the planet, and peer reviews don’t exist.

 

[Dz1]

Since then? Why? The ones before that don’t count? We didn’t survive them? But ok. Since you asked for an answer within a specific timeline.

Hong Kong flu of 68 (still around)
HIV/AIDS (ongoing)

The Hong Kong flu killed an estimated 100k here Hello think 230 thousand is Greater and It's growing.

And worldwide, HIV had killed 770 thousand or so, Covid 1.32 mill, so your point is. ?

 

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The Hong Kong flu killed an estimated 100k here Hello think 230 thousand is Greater and It's growing.

And worldwide, HIV had killed 770 thousand or so, Covid 1.32 mill, so your point is. ?

Wow. You don’t just like to be wrong. You like to be spectacularly wrong. Well, if you’re gonna do something, do it balls out I always say. Jack Burton might have said something similar too.

The Hong Kong flu killed anywhere between 1-4 million. Citation: https://www.britannica.com/event/1968-flu-pandemic

HIV has killed upwards of 32 Million people worldwide. That 770k figure of yours is from 2018 alone. So I guess my point is .... DERP.

 

[Dz1]

Covid is real and we are the World leader in infected.

Good news, mortality rate,we're down to around 10th .

 

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Covid is real

Holy shit. Why was I not informed of this?