An Open Letter to NFL Owners

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Sure they could have. How many people would even know about it if ESPN hadn't suspended him? Again, it was a podcast, not something said on live TV or radio, and how many podcast listeners does he have?

As far as the threat of escalating it? Sure, let him to that, and give him enough rope to metaphorically hang himself, then fire his ass.

I don't disagree that they had the right to do it, I just don't think they used good judgment considering the current situation. It looks like the suspended him for criticizing Goodell, and yet ESPN itself issued a report that in substance said the same thing that Simmons said about Goodell, i.e. that he's a liar. Their initial stateent after the suspension was all about "journalistic integrity" and such BS. Now they are leaking that the suspended him because of the dare, which has nothing to do with journalistic integrity, and looks every bit like ass covering in the firestorm of bad publicity they are getting.

Dude this was ALL OVER sports talk radio nationwide.........it was a really hot topic and the guys I heard talk about it said "he's gonna get suspended". Simmons made national news with this little rant.

You cannot say "fucking bullshit" twice on ESPN's airwaves, then dare them to do anything about it and not expect to get whacked.

Maybe he was hoping to get out of his contract LOL.
 

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Dude this was ALL OVER sports talk radio nationwide.........it was a really hot topic and the guys I heard talk about it said "he's gonna get suspended". Simmons made national news with this little rant.

You cannot say "freaking bullcrap" twice on ESPN's airwaves, then dare them to do anything about it and not expect to get whacked.

Maybe he was hoping to get out of his contract LOL.

He didn't say it on airwaves or any live broadcast, he said it on a podcast. A podcast is pre-recorded and then distribued over the internet. Like I said, I've never listend to his podcast, but I'm going to bet that f-bombs have been dropped on it before with no repurcussions.

This story was not much more than a blip before the suspension. He was just one guy of many criticizing Goodell and calling for his ouster. For at least this news cycle, now he is the most famous. ESPN thought they could put out a fire by throwing gas on it.
 

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He didn't say it on airwaves or any live broadcast, he said it on a podcast. A podcast is pre-recorded and then distribued over the internet. Like I said, I've never listend to his podcast, but I'm going to bet that f-bombs have been dropped on it before with no repurcussions.

This story was not much more than a blip before the suspension. He was just one guy of many criticizing Goodell and calling for his ouster. For at least this news cycle, now he is the most famous. ESPN thought they could put out a fire by throwing gas on it.

I don't think thee is any real fire, this was national news as soon as he said what he said, it was WAY more than a blip. Most people are fine with his little 3 week timeout anyway. Personally I think he acted unprofessional and very much like a jerk.
 

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I don't think thee is any real fire, this was national news as soon as he said what he said, it was WAY more than a blip. Most people are fine with his little 3 week timeout anyway. Personally I think he acted unprofessional and very much like a jerk.

It's a much bigger story now. His initial statement wasn't trending Twitter, but it blew up last night after they suspended him. SI.com had nothing about Simmons initial statement, but now they have a story about his suspension. ESPN has brought far more attention to the incident with the suspension.

As far as his lack of professionalism, ESPN had no problem with it before he went off on Goodell. This is a guy whose end of year fantasy football awards column (pubished on ESPN.com) had a "Peter North Award for Most Explosive Finish." If they had no problem with a reference to a porn star and his massive ejaculations in a fantasy football column published on their site, then they don't have much ground for calling out his professionalism or lack thereof now.
 

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You and Alan got it right IMO. Challenge the boss to put you in your place and they do just that!
What do you think were the set of conditions that arose to make him so bold, to make him lash out in such a hostile manner daring retribution? Could it be that this is the result of extreme suppression, of specific topics (like Goodhell) over a long period? Perhaps he was willing to face suspension or firing rather than to have his voice suppressed about Goodhell any longer?

On the other hand, what @thirteen28 reveals is a longtime pattern of deviant on-air behavior by this guy. So, perhaps ESPN throwing "gas on the fire" was part of a larger PR ploy to expand the anti-Goodhell story.

The one thing I think I am most certain of is, that we won't really know the backstory, and the frontstory is for public consumption.
 
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This is the third time Simmons has been suspended FYI.......he isn't well liked among his coworkers according to what I've been reading around the web. I've never liked him that much, I don't find him that interesting or thought provoking although his NBA show is excellent but that's because Jalen Rose is one of the very best out there IMO.

Here is an interesting snippet......this is from one of the articles I read.

This is Simmons’ third suspension by the network. Last year, he wassuspended for violating ESPN’s social media policy over tweets about Richard Sherman and “First Take” host Skip Bayless. In 2009, he called sports-talk radio hosts at an ESPN affiliate “deceitful scumbags” on Twitter and was barred from using it for two weeks.

Now, Simmons gets a full-blown ban, a message that others in Bristol hear, too, according to Richard Deitsch of SI.com:

Others posited, including some high-profile ESPN-ers who reached out to Sports Illustrated Wednesday night but asked not to be named, that ESPN management needed to make a stand on Simmons as a message to all its employees that even the most prominent front-facing employee must follow the rules and not stain the reputation of his editorial operation. Simmons is often accused of getting favorable treatment at ESPN because of his relationship with [network President John] Skipper and other top management. (He’s also delivered a lot of eyeballs for the company.)
 

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This is the third time Simmons has been suspended FYI.......he isn't well liked among his coworkers according to what I've been reading around the web. I've never liked him that much, I don't find him that interesting or thought provoking although his NBA show is excellent but that's because Jalen Rose is one of the very best out there IMO.

Here is an interesting snippet......this is from one of the articles I read.

This is Simmons’ third suspension by the network. Last year, he wassuspended for violating ESPN’s social media policy over tweets about Richard Sherman and “First Take” host Skip Bayless. In 2009, he called sports-talk radio hosts at an ESPN affiliate “deceitful scumbags” on Twitter and was barred from using it for two weeks.

Now, Simmons gets a full-blown ban, a message that others in Bristol hear, too, according to Richard Deitsch of SI.com:

Others posited, including some high-profile ESPN-ers who reached out to Sports Illustrated Wednesday night but asked not to be named, that ESPN management needed to make a stand on Simmons as a message to all its employees that even the most prominent front-facing employee must follow the rules and not stain the reputation of his editorial operation. Simmons is often accused of getting favorable treatment at ESPN because of his relationship with [network President John] Skipper and other top management. (He’s also delivered a lot of eyeballs for the company.)

I don't like the guy either, and I don't know anything about all the behind-the-scenes stuff. But I do know that ESPN's initual statement referred to "jouralistic standards", when Simmons was offering an opinion (what he's paid to do, btw). Opinion and journalism are two quite different things.

Then, all of the sudden they get a sh!tstorm of bad publicity after suspending him for his criticism of Goodell, and it's notable that ESPN has a huge financial stake in the success of the NFL. So what do they do? They start leaking that the real reason they suspended him was for the dare. So which was it, journalistic standards or the dare?

It's bad enough that they look like they suspended him in deference to the NFL and their embattled commissioner. Now they can't get their story straight as to why they suspended him.
 

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I don't like the guy personally, I think he's a twit and have an overwhelming desire to punch him in the face for his Patriots homerism

I used to enjoy reading his Tuesday Morning Quarterback articles but then he began to bash the Rams mercilessly and butt-kiss the Patriots so I haven't read him in many years.
 

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I know most posters won't read all of this but it's well said and I agree with an awful lot of it. Maybe the discussion IS being framed by the players union to put the pressure and spotlight on Goodell to remove the pressure and spotlight from Rice.

One never knows I guess. :whistle:

I underlined parts I thought were the most interesting

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http://elitedaily.com/sports/bill-simmons-part-of-the-problem/771343/


Bill Simmons is a great journalist; he looks at sports and social issues from a different point of view than most people do. Usually, he is on point and makes sense; however, his latest take on Roger Goodell is borderline delusional.

Bill Simmons has now been added to the list of people and companies that have used the magnificent tool of overreacting and puffing their chest to gain attention.

Just a quick note: If, in fact, Roger Goodell either a) saw the video, or b) refused to watch the video, then I agree with everyone calling for his job.

However, until there is sufficient evidence to support either of those claims, all of these people need to go back into their cones of silence and wait for the next big scandal to happen.

Does Bill Simmons (and everyone else for that matter) not realize that the more he harps on and accuses Roger Goodell of wrongdoing, the more change he brings to the narrative and takes away focus from the real issue?

Ray Rice hit his fiancée with a left hook that would make Mike Tyson proud. This hasn’t even been talked about in three weeks.

People now want to focus on the scandal instead of the sickening crime that occurred. Why? Ray Rice got fired and it’s no longer a sexy story for the media. It’s a travesty, really.

Why is it that, in this country, someone can commit such a brutal, horrific crime, yet somehow we blatantly try to find someone else to blame? Bill Simmons is guilty of this, along with many, many other journalists.

Did Goodell hit Janay Rice? Did Goodell spit on her? Did Goodell drag her limp body out of an elevator like a sack of potatoes? No! Ray Rice did that, yet everyone wants to focus on what the commissioner may or may not have known or requested to punish Ray Rice.

Why is that the issue here? As sickening as it is to say, Roger Goodell gave Ray Rice a punishment that fit his sentencing of the judicial system. Ray Rice got into a diversionary treatment sentencing that is given to less than 1 percent of people. This is usually given to judges and political officials.

Why is Bill Simmons not calling for the DA or the judge who gave Ray Rice the preferential treatment? I will tell you why: They have nothing to do with sports. If he starts harping on them, he will need a political show and won’t be able to correlate it to sports, which will make him irrelevant.

Roger Goodell made a mistake in only suspending Ray Rice for two games. He has admitted that mistake and said countless times he got it wrong.

The biggest bozos in this entire thing, besides Ray Rice, are these ex NFL players (Mark Schlereth and Tedy Bruschi, I’m looking at you) who are calling for Goodell to resign. They claim that players make mistakes all the time, and they get punished.

Yeah, that’s true. Their mistakes are typically “accidentally” ingesting steroids, “accidentally” beating their wives, “accidentally” driving with a .24 BAC or “accidentally” shooting off guns.


These are all “mistakes” that directly involve them maliciously doing something that will affect or hurt other people. Roger Goodell didn’t hurt anyone. Again, he isn’t the one who knocked out a woman in an elevator.

DeMaurice Smith (head of the NFLPA) is probably the greatest magician behind this whole scandal. You haven’t heard one word from him because he has to defend Ray Rice, and try to get him his job back.

His instructions have been to all current and former players to call for the commissioner’s job because that takes the spotlight off of Ray Rice, Greg Hardy, Ray McDonald and Jonathan Dwyer, who are accused (guilty of) beating up women.

DeMaurice Smith is paid to defend these guys and get them their jobs back. Any media outlet or talking head (Simmons) who partakes in this nonsense that suggests this is Roger Goodell’s fault is just playing into the larger coverup.

That coverup is the passing of the buck to try and get someone else to take the fall for a professional athlete knocking a woman unconscious.

Do I think Bill Simmons should be fired or suspended? Absolutely not. He is more than allowed to speak his mind and express his opinion. I just wish that, as someone I looked up to when it came to sports, he wouldn’t be so quick to join the blame game party.

People listen to him and are swayed by his opinion. The more he talks, the more people forget why we’re actually appalled. This doesn’t start or end with Bill Simmons, either.

All of these sponsors and women’s organizations who are calling for the commissioner’s job or issuing statements are also guilty of this front-running mentality.

Why was it completely okay for NOW (National Organization for Women) to not say anything about Roger Goodell’s job status until they saw the video from inside the elevator? Isn’t that exactly for what they are upset with Goodell? He didn’t act until he saw the video, and neither did they.

The big money sponsors are the same way, coming out and saying they don’t like the state of the NFL. Notice how they didn’t even hint at pulling their sponsorships, though. They just wanted to pump up their chests while the NFL was backed into a corner.

The sponsors know the NFL will replace them in a heartbeat if they want out, probably for more money.

They’re kind of like the little guy yelling, “Hold me back, hold me back” in a four-on-one scuffle. These sponsors know the NFL is doing everything it can to get this right, but the sponsors want to boost their PR so they condemn the NFL in the most nonchalant way.

It’s a simple but complicated concept. The NFL is a corporation, and at the end of the day, it cannot circumvent the law as much as everyone wants it to or it will open itself up to a bunch of lawsuits.

Imagine you work for a Fortune 500 company and you break the law for the first time. You get a minimum punishment, such as anger management classes, and you then report it to your employer, who terminates you immediately.

You could sue the company for wrongful termination, and more than likely, you would win. Bill Simmons knows that Roger Goodell cannot circumvent the law and is walking a very slippery slope. He has done the best he could over the years to clean up the image of the NFL.

While he did get the two-game suspension wrong, I think the way he handled it after the fact has been perfect (assuming he didn’t see the video).

The more people like Bill Simmons who focus on Goodell, the more we forget about the savage that spit on and knocked a woman out for apparently no reason. Anyone who plays into that narrative ought to be ashamed, Simmons included.
 

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I used to enjoy reading his Tuesday Morning Quarterback articles but then he began to bash the Rams mercilessly and butt-kiss the Patriots so I haven't read him in many years.

At least he admits that he is a New England homer, I'll give him credit for that.
 

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I don't like the guy either, and I don't know anything about all the behind-the-scenes stuff. But I do know that ESPN's initual statement referred to "jouralistic standards", when Simmons was offering an opinion (what he's paid to do, btw). Opinion and journalism are two quite different things.

Then, all of the sudden they get a sh!tstorm of bad publicity after suspending him for his criticism of Goodell, and it's notable that ESPN has a huge financial stake in the success of the NFL. So what do they do? They start leaking that the real reason they suspended him was for the dare. So which was it, journalistic standards or the dare?

It's bad enough that they look like they suspended him in deference to the NFL and their embattled commissioner. Now they can't get their story straight as to why they suspended him.

I think Simmons and ESPN goofed it all up. But oh well you can't unring a bell and they will have to live with the rest of the media devouring their carcasses LOL.

The nonstop total coverage/overkill of every single thing can really wear you out sometimes can't it.......
 

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I used to enjoy reading his Tuesday Morning Quarterback articles but then he began to bash the Rams mercilessly and butt-kiss the Patriots so I haven't read him in many years.

That used to get my blood boiling, especially in light of the way they (the Patriots) were handed SB 36 on a silver platter.

On the other hand, I almost OD'd on schadenfreude reading his column after they lost the Super Bowl to the Giants and blew their chance at 19-0.

I felt like Cartman in this video:
 

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That used to get my blood boiling, especially in light of the way they (the Patriots) were handed SB 36 on a silver platter.

On the other hand, I almost OD'd on schadenfreude reading his column after they lost the Super Bowl to the Giants and blew their chance at 19-0.

I felt like Cartman in this video:



HAHAHAHAHAHAA that vid is pure awesome.
 

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I was listening to Morning Joe and somebody who has access to ESPN management (supposedly) confirmed that it was the daring part and not his rant against Goodell that caused the suspension.
 

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I was listening to Morning Joe and somebody who has access to ESPN management (supposedly) confirmed that it was the daring part and not his rant against Goodell that caused the suspension.
so, it was over "power"?
 

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Not that I am a South Park watcher, but one of my sons told me to watch the season premier the other night and they took a shot at Goodell and the NFL! Not a great video from YouTube.

 

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I just wonder. say they get rid of Goodell, how many "Rule Changes" Can be over-ruled or changed back after he's gone. ie; interference rules, holding rules, ruffing the QB rules, etc. etc. I want REAL Football back, NOT Flag Football!!!!
 

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I just wonder. say they get rid of Goodell, how many "Rule Changes" Can be over-ruled or changed back after he's gone. ie; interference rules, holding rules, ruffing the QB rules, etc. etc. I want REAL Football back, NOT Flag Football!!!!

Absolutely.

I understand some of the rules for player safety, but it really has gone too far. People, players most especially, are just going to have to accept that there are risks in playing this game. If they are not willing to take the risks that come with the game, they should look for a different line of work.

There are simply too many rules to protect players from injury and the game moves way too fast to enforce those rules fairly and competently. Fewer rules = better officiating.
 

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Absolutely.

I understand some of the rules for player safety, but it really has gone too far. People, players most especially, are just going to have to accept that there are risks in playing this game. If they are not willing to take the risks that come with the game, they should look for a different line of work.

There are simply too many rules to protect players from injury and the game moves way too fast to enforce those rules fairly and competently. Fewer rules = better officiating.

I don't think it's the rules as much as how the refs are calling things. That's what should change IMO, the rules are fine and I have no problem with player safety. As I've posted before most rules changes in the last several decades have been to improve player safety. I posted a list of all the rules changes and I don't have a problem with them.

Fix the fukken refs though and few of us will have any complaints.