1. To unlock all of features of Rams On Demand please take a brief moment to register. Registering is not only quick and easy, it also allows you access to additional features such as live chat, private messaging, and a host of other apps exclusive to Rams On Demand.

"All teams deal with injuries"

Discussion in 'RAMS - NFL TALK' started by -X-, Nov 14, 2011.

  1. -X- Not into the whole brevity thing.

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2010
    Messages:
    18,764
    Likes Received:
    8,595
    You mean, like when I said this a page ago?

    That aside, how explosive do you think he is? He's coming off of season-ending surgery, showed zero in preseason, and has been sick and injuried so far this year. You're thinking of the Falcons Norwood who has the POTENTIAL to be explosive. I agree that it would be nice to throw him into the fire and see what happens. But, to be honest, I think Cadillac Williams has done way more than Norwood could ever hope to do in a backup RB capacity. Who knows, maybe he'll see the field soon. Can't do any worse than Porter. All I'm saying is, we don't know the whole story.
     
    #21
  2. superfan24 Active Member

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2010
    Messages:
    916
    Likes Received:
    2
    9 CB's on IR. Just think about that for a second. Can't wait to watch this team next year with SPAGS at the helm.
     
    #22
  3. Angry Ram aka Captain RAmerica aka the OG Rammer

    Joined:
    Jul 1, 2010
    Messages:
    6,249
    Likes Received:
    936
    Norwood is argubably the biggest individual disappointment this year. Perfect 3rd down back and can be a playmaker.

    As for the rest of the year, IDK. I think they can beat Seattle @ least once, maybe a sweep. Def. Arizona. I can bet they'll back Jacked up meaning Steven Jacked up.

    Cincy I thought was on the road, but no it's @ the Ed, so that's a tossup.

    Pittsburgh is likely gonna be a loss, but who knows...they've been beat before.

    That leaves SF. Beatable, sure. I think it'll be a split.
     
    #23
  4. -X- Not into the whole brevity thing.

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2010
    Messages:
    18,764
    Likes Received:
    8,595
    Maybe. Maybe not. You have to be careful with statements like that. You're essentially giving yourself more credentials than the guys who actually make the decisions on an NFL team. We have no idea how one decision effects many. In today's conference, Spags said "hopefully we'll get him back (Norwood)." Maybe he'll be integrated into the game plan now (if he's healthy). Really, we have no idea why any of these decisions are being made, or what the rationale is. I just find it difficult to say to an established NFL coach, "Yeah, you're not making the right move there. My expertise in watching television tells me so." I mean, it sounds silly, doesn't it?
     
    #24
  5. steferfootball Active Member

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2011
    Messages:
    854
    Likes Received:
    1
    Rams didn't score a TD and would have beaten the Cardinals with FGs if they didn't blow a FG with no time remaining.
     
    #25
  6. bluecoconuts Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 28, 2011
    Messages:
    6,839
    Likes Received:
    769
    I think it depends on who's on the board. If there's someone like Matt Kalil, then he gets the call every time I think. If it's between Blackmon and a game changing DT, I might say go for the DT as well. It's going to depend on who is on the board and when we're drafting. It's so hard to say at this point, but I wouldn't be shocked to see the Rams try to build up that defense more with some youth.
     
    #26
  7. libertadrocks Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2010
    Messages:
    2,224
    Likes Received:
    2
    Blackmon is the most overrated WR since Crabtree when stacked against other eligible prospects IMO. I dont want any part of him. Dude has serious ball control issues, OSU's top WR always puts up huge numbers, and quite frankly isnt that physically impressive(6-1 with a 40 in the 4.5 range) He will get way over drafted.

    Alshon Jeffery and Micheal Floyd will be much better values.
     
    #27
  8. Selassie I H. I. M.

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2010
    Messages:
    5,699
    Likes Received:
    2,077
    My 2 cents on our injury bug...

    ALL teams in the NFL suffer due to injuries during every year. Injuries to vital positions like the colts are experiencing are more damaging than others,,, the same could be said when a team suffers a large number of injuries to any position during the same year. Overcoming the injury bug is the challenge that some do better than others.

    Let's think about what Dick Vermeil had to say right after our prized FA QB Trent Green went down for the year during the pre-season... "We will put KW in there (the guy who was bagging groceries KW) AND WE WILL PLAY GOOD FOOTBALL". I know I didn't get the quote exactly right, but it's close enough. Coach Vermeil didn't say something like... Oh, this is really gonna be tough to overcome, or this makes things way more challenging now. He made no excuses, and clearly stated that the Rams would PLAY GOOD FOOTBALL. He demanded that in a sense.

    Coach Parcells used to get reports from the trainers listing how much time each player spent in the training room. He would make it clear to his players during training camp that if he felt you were an injury prone player, or a player who may try and "milk" an injury,,, you were not going to last long on one of his teams. A caveman like way to motivate players is what I bet some of you are thinking,,, he's got SB jewelry last time I checked.

    Bill B-Cheat hates even saying the word injury. The way he answers questions concerning injuries is brilliant if you ask me,,, he's been known to give totally inaccurate information on purpose concerning injuries (allegedly). His right hand man certainly isn't his trainer from listening to him avoid answers about player status.


    All teams have injuries, and all teams have a certain acceptance level concerning them. I've mentioned this in another thread recently and I didn't see anyone respond to it, so I assume I may be completely alone in my thinking here, but I do not like the way Spags handles his injuries at any time during his time here with us. And I'm not saying that a HC shouldn't be concerned for his player's safety.

    But...
    I don't like how he gives way more details about a player's injury than you would her from most coaches (certainly way more than B-Cheat).

    I don't like how he appears closer to the trainer Reggie than he does to some of his coaches. He definitely talks about how much time he spends with Reggie more than I hear him talking about time with coaches.

    I believe he leaves the door open for lazy players to "milk" the injury system with his perceived public sensitivity to injuries. We've all been told that what you see in Spags when he is in front of the camera is the exact same Spags that exists behind the locker room doors. I'm not calling out any players (ala Martz vs Turley) here, but I'm speaking the truth when I say that some people are just freaking lazy, and will find the "easy" way to skate by because it's just in their freaking nature. From what I've seen from Spags, I have to believe that he is more susceptible to being taken advantage of by these kinds of players.

    I get the impression that Spags is building up a case for him being given more time (another year) because of the injuries. I don't like that either.


    Maybe I'm just archaic and loco in la cabeza in my thoughts here, but I feel better now that I got it out.
     
    #28
  9. JdashSTL Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2010
    Messages:
    1,178
    Likes Received:
    0
    Do you think Jeffery could fall a bit in the 1st round based on his decline in production this year? I dont think you can put that on him, I think it has to be a big issue with the QB play for SC, thats what I tend to see any time I watch them.
     
    #29
  10. -X- Not into the whole brevity thing.

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2010
    Messages:
    18,764
    Likes Received:
    8,595
    That's not what I heard. It really isn't. But that's just a minor point.

    You're right that different injury situations affect teams differently. It should be widely accepted that a team that loses multiple starters, is going to have a difficult time recovering unless they have quality depth. This is the point I keep reiterating. The Rams don't have quality depth. They haven't been able to cultivate or sign quality depth since they got here. 2011 was the only time they could do it, really.

    Should they be further along and playing better football? Sure. That's the goal for every team. I just can't point at one 'thing' and say, "Yeah, there it is. right there! THAT'S the problem." Some say it's coaching, some say it's the GM, some say it's the GM AND Coach, and some say it's the assistants, some say it's the OC.

    Because there are so many theories (we had a poll about it), it's hard to say who's right and who's wrong. Bottom line, there are just different views on this. Some slanted, obviously, but still..... just theories.
     
    #30
  11. libertadrocks Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2010
    Messages:
    2,224
    Likes Received:
    2
    I think he could fall a bit, not out of the first tho. If Floyd puts up a 40 time in the 4.5s or lower I expect him to leapfrog Jeffrey, so that would make him fall even further. Youre right tho, I think inconsistent QB play kills him.

    Thats actually another points as to why Im not all that high on Blackmon's potential. I have heard talent evaluators say Weeden would be this years second best QB prospect if he wasnt already 28. Both Floyd and Jeffrey dont have the caliber of QB Blackmon has.
     
    #31
  12. superfan24 Active Member

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2010
    Messages:
    916
    Likes Received:
    2
    Not what I have heard either. I forget who has said it, but I thought they said Spags rips them behind closed doors and gets more fiery in there. Couple people said it I thought. I would prefer it that way if I played on a NFL team
     
    #32
  13. superfan24 Active Member

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2010
    Messages:
    916
    Likes Received:
    2
    Yep would like Mike Floyd on the Rams next year. Hearing that he should be a mid to late 1st rounder.
    He has really changed his whole lifestyle since training camp. Eating a lot better and watching a lot more film while becoming a leader on the team. He hasn't run the greatest routes simply cause he doesn't have too, but he hasn't had the best qb's throwin to him either. When the ball is just thrown up somewhat in his direction, we, nd fans assume he will come down with the ball and he has for the past year or so.
     
    #33
  14. bluecoconuts Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 28, 2011
    Messages:
    6,839
    Likes Received:
    769
    I've heard that same thing, behind closed doors he rips into guys, swears, etc.. Out in public in front of the cameras, etc he's friendly.

    I think HBO approached them last year about a possible Hard Knocks deal (nothing confirmed, I just heard they went to the Rams, Lions, and Bucs but were denied) but Spags said no.. Probably for that reason, he wants what he says behind closed doors to stay behind closed doors. Which, in my opinion, is probably why we don't really hear lots of drama and other bullcrap about the locker room coming out. Spags leads by example, and I respect that.
     
    #34
  15. superfan24 Active Member

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2010
    Messages:
    916
    Likes Received:
    2
    Btw it really sucks for Houston fans with the news of Schaub out for the year. I was kinda pulling for them out of the AFC cause I don't have another team I don't not like.
     
    #35
  16. -X- Not into the whole brevity thing.

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2010
    Messages:
    18,764
    Likes Received:
    8,595
    C'mon man. The Bills! (or anyone in the AFC East besides the Pats).
     
    #36
  17. superfan24 Active Member

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2010
    Messages:
    916
    Likes Received:
    2
    O of course the Bills, but they seem to be fading. I thought it was just assumed that we would all want anyone besides those cheating assholes :nice:
     
    #37
  18. Selassie I H. I. M.

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2010
    Messages:
    5,699
    Likes Received:
    2,077

    That's why I asked Randy Karraker about Spags' demeanor behind closed doors on Shaky's E-Zine Q and A. I wanted to hear about this other side of Spags that is not revealed to the folks outside of the locker room. I too, remember hints of Spags having a different side behind closed doors... The Q and A was posted here, surprised you don't remember Randy's answer saying quite the contrary. He said that Spags is not any different behind closed doors- what you see is what you get in other words.
     
    #38
  19. -X- Not into the whole brevity thing.

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2010
    Messages:
    18,764
    Likes Received:
    8,595
    Yeah, the difference being, Randy Karriker isn't behind closed doors. Spags answered this directly and he challenged the guys on the Fast Lane to talk to ANY player on the roster and ask THEM what he's like when there's no media around. I think it was confirmed by Brown too. I'll have to follow the trail and see if I can piece it together for you.
     
    #39
  20. JdashSTL Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2010
    Messages:
    1,178
    Likes Received:
    0
    One of the TV announcers said it during the Saints game.
     
    #40