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OldSchool

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Haha. actually do love that movie!

But nothing gonna beat imo the greatest comedy ever made:

Mel Brooks Comedy GIF
Ok you redeemed yourself a bit there with the Princess Bride love :)

Still got one eye on you! Which is better than if it was @Loyal you don't want that all seeing menace eye on you
 

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I’m just frustrated that so few Rams have gotten second contracts.

From the 2017-2019 Drafts, the Rams selected 27 players. Only three were signed to second contracts; and that includes Brian Allen and Joe Noteboom, whom many Rans' fans wish had not been re-signed.

In some cases, 2nd contracts were not earned; and that suggests poor drafting.

In other cases, there wasn’t enough cap space available (or Management didn’t deem some players worthy of allocating more cap $); and that suggests poor management.

Good teams lose good players in free agency because the bad teams can afford to over-pay. The Rams did not lose stars but they have lost a lot of good players (my opinion); and most did not get huge contracts.

One-Third of the Rams' 2023 Cap is Dead-$ ($74M). That's a lot! Only three other teams in the NFL are over $37M (half the Rams' #). Now the Rams have tried to maximize their 2024 cap space ... and that's good ... but according to Over-the-Cap, their projected 2024 cap space is still just in the middle-of-the-pack.
The way they construct their roster, it's not all about the draft picks. They seem to use that as depth, filler around the UFA's they sign or the guys they obtain via trade. And with good reason. In 7 drafts they haven't had a first round pick and twice, their first pick came in the 3rd. Also consider when they have had 2nd round picks, outside of 2017 (12th) and 2023 (5th), the pick was in the 20's of the round.....29th, 20th and 25th, then 25th. I'd bet Avila gets a 2nd contract.
 

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I’m just frustrated that so few Rams have gotten second contracts.

From the 2017-2019 Drafts, the Rams selected 27 players. Only three were signed to second contracts; and that includes Brian Allen and Joe Noteboom, whom many Rans' fans wish had not been re-signed.

In some cases, 2nd contracts were not earned; and that suggests poor drafting.

In other cases, there wasn’t enough cap space available (or Management didn’t deem some players worthy of allocating more cap $); and that suggests poor management.

Good teams lose good players in free agency because the bad teams can afford to over-pay. The Rams did not lose stars but they have lost a lot of good players (my opinion); and most did not get huge contracts.

One-Third of the Rams' 2023 Cap is Dead-$ ($74M). That's a lot! Only three other teams in the NFL are over $37M (half the Rams' #). Now the Rams have tried to maximize their 2024 cap space ... and that's good ... but according to Over-the-Cap, their projected 2024 cap space is still just in the middle-of-the-pack.

I hear yah, but in general, that's been their team building model (and has been said and advocated for by Snead time and time again).

Big contracts for stars (often by trading for them and signing them) and then you have to let good guys go for second contracts elsewhere and believe you can replace them with low round (cause we also send picks for those stars) guys who are complimentary pieces to our stars. I would argue this isn't poor management (except giving star contracts that didn't work out ala Gurley) as it is a deliberate strategy.

The good news, if you're not happy with the above model, is it does seem like Rams are pivoting away from it now that they lost first mover benefits from doing it.
 

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I mean, draft picks aren't 2nd contracts... but I suspect you're saying that if the position is undervalued then why spend a pick in the 1-3 rounds on them. And an additional piece here is these picks were picked during Philips tenure and this sxs we're in now devalues them more (also, the front office too).

When I say "devalue" one of the pieces here is that we are generally not looking for a center fielder type which is a harder safety to find. We can get away with less talented safeties in general cause of how much we align with our safeties at depth and split.
Some of this has been schematic I think.

Phillips called it different on the back end than Staley, who was brought in to call quarters and install Fangio's defense. Still think some of that was so that McVay could see the rules in-house and learn how to beat the scheme, but either way changing the approach required different safety skill sets.

So Staley comes in and immediately drafts two safeties instead of sticking with the guys who Wade had chosen. He hits on one and misses on one, but Johnson takes to the scheme and result was that season we had our best safety play we've had in years with Fuller and Johnson.

I figure they let Johnson go because he wasn't a guy they identified as ideal in the new defense. Could also have simply been they didn't think he was worth the offer he got, which ended up being proved correct if that was the case. But then Staley gets hired away too, so the flux we had going on with the defensive changes adds to this equation I think.

Morris' biggest mistake was probably not trying to restack that secondary in how he wanted to call it, but to some extent I do think his calls were influenced by what he had. So him being short back there probably means he deserves blame (we don't know if he jumped on a table behind the scenes for more help back there, maybe he did), in terms of how the group was stacked in the offseason.

Either way we now have Fuller back this season so 1/2 of the quarters pairing is there at safety. These other guys we'll see who if any can step up in that scheme or whether we're looking at another year of careful calls. To some extent the corner quality will determine this too. This is why I say that on paper we look like we're probably a bit short at two spots, those being the safety spot opposite Fuller and then the third CB. But of course that could get worse with injury or better if one or two guys step up. So we're not too far away we just need everything to go our way which doesn't usually happen.
 

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The biggest problem I have is Morris' read/react style. It by definition puts the defense a step behind. Read/anticipate is the way zone secondaries should be played. Read the route and anticipate in order to jump the route at the top. That is the crucial difference between Staley and Morris. It's why I'm hoping that Pleasant will correct that.

Also, playing a Fangio style DL passes the adantage to the offense for the same reason. Read/react is always a loser as it places the defender be it front 7 or secondary a fraction of a second behind. Staley played it differently with his front 7 i.e. attack, read while you penetrate which played to the strength of AD. It also is the reason Gaines looked so good. But not being a two gap NT is why he's gone. Playing your NT in a 0T puts all the pressure on the ILB and with Morris often only playing one (Jones) it could get ugly. This is why if you are going to play a 0T NT they need to play two ILBs which is where Johnson comes in. But if the offense plays with a Y WR then the defense will be in a nickel while being forced to play their two remaining LBs shaded inside, leaving the perimeter exposed on both sides to a mobile qb. To protect the perimeters both edges must slow their play down to read the play to set a hard edge if needed. This is why most teams play a one gap front 7. It allows them to play a SAM to cover the flats (TE) and allow the Leo to simply focus upon penetration and disruption.