Wow, that Russell Wilson

[shaunpinney]

Agree with you 100% but that does not make him a great QB. You could make the arguement if Hill was under center all year we would of made the playoffs. So the resounding yes is not so impressive .

You really believe Hill would have had a better chance of winning? Hill isn't in the same league as Wilson, IMO, obviously.

You could put any other average qb on the Seattle and they would still win. Wilson is nothing special, he just got lucky to be drafted on the right team.

I'm not saying he's great, or one of the best, but I believe he's good, and is all-round better than what we have. You can't say he was lucky to b drafted on the right team, Was the team lucky they drafted him?

2008 results: 4-12
2009 results: 5-11
2010 results: 7-9, lost against Bears in Divisional Playoffs
2011 results: 7-9
2012 results: 11-5, lost against falcons in Divisional Playoffs
2013 results: 13-3, Won Superbowl
2014 results: 12-4, Superbowl finalist

I just find the results speak for themselves really, IMO, yes its a team sport, but I believe that a GOOD QB can turn a team into a great, great winning team, isn't that what most people have been saying about the rams these last 2 season? If only Sam was healthy we'd be a playoff team, a contender, well thats what Wilson has done for the Seahawks, he's turned them into a playoff team, heck he's turned them into the Superbowl Champions... I wouldn't be surprised if they weren't back to back SB winners...

 

[Rabid Ram]

let me ask you for an honest answer to a simple question.

If the Rams had Wilson under centre - do you think we'd have had a winning season, if not reached the playoffs in the last 2 seasons?

My answer is a resounding YES.

2 post in this thread one based on hindsight the other based on guesses. You could think it to be true but without playing the games one will never know.

And since it will NEVER happen it's easy to give a resounding yes because you never have to defend your statement.

 

[Rabid Ram]

I wonder who wins the popularity contest between Bradford and Elvis in state of Missouri

Get outta here with this crap. There is no need for post just to be insulting.

 

[iBruce]

I'd rally behind Russell Wilson.

 

[shaunpinney]

2 post in this thread one based on hindsight the other based on guesses. You could think it to be true but without playing the games one will never know.

And since it will NEVER happen it's easy to give a resounding yes because you never have to defend your statement.

RR, thanks for your response, however, as I don't work for either franchise, hindsight and guesswork is what most fans go on. Obviously you have grounded factual knowledge, to be able to rebuke my comments and thank you for that.

It's not hindsight with regards to wanting to pick up a QB in the first 3 rounds over the last 2 years, I've been saying it since the RGIII trade offer was made, trying to find a diamond in the rough in the latter rounds of the draft is a very difficult thing to do, not everyone's a Tom Brady, but as we had so many extra 'top' level athlete picks in the early rounds, I just thought it made sense to pick up a backup QB, future proofing, but hey, maybe I'm wrong there too...

I wasn't guessing when I said that we'd be in a better state if, per-say, we had Wilson as our QB. You'd be foolish to say he's not better than Austin Davis or Hill. And I challenge you to go and ask other Rams fans/sports pundits under oath to say which QB is better or if the addition of Wilson to the Rams team as it stood this year would have given us a better winning percentage.

And NO, i'm not suggesting that Wilson is the best around, or that I want Wilson to be a Ram. I'm just stating that I believe he is a good QB that has taken the Seahawks to a different level.

But of course if you want to bash on a player purely because he plays for the opposition then carry on, I just can't admire that juvenile attitude, no offence intended.

 

[Rabid Ram]

RR, thanks for your response, however, as I don't work for either franchise, hindsight and guesswork is what most fans go on. Obviously you have grounded factual knowledge, to be able to rebuke my comments and thank you for that.

It's not hindsight with regards to wanting to pick up a QB in the first 3 rounds over the last 2 years, I've been saying it since the RGIII trade offer was made, trying to find a diamond in the rough in the latter rounds of the draft is a very difficult thing to do, not everyone's a Tom Brady, but as we had so many extra 'top' level athlete picks in the early rounds, I just thought it made sense to pick up a backup QB, future proofing, but hey, maybe I'm wrong there too...

I wasn't guessing when I said that we'd be in a better state if, per-say, we had Wilson as our QB. You'd be foolish to say he's not better than Austin Davis or Hill. And I challenge you to go and ask other Rams fans/sports pundits under oath to say which QB is better or if the addition of Wilson to the Rams team as it stood this year would have given us a better winning percentage.

And NO, i'm not suggesting that Wilson is the best around, or that I want Wilson to be a Ram. I'm just stating that I believe he is a good QB that has taken the Seahawks to a different level.

But of course if you want to bash on a player purely because he plays for the opposition then carry on, I just can't admire that juvenile attitude, no offence intended.

Please do show me where I bashed Wilson at all.

As stated it's easy to say hey look at Wilson and his success we should have picked him see I told you so.

As far as the latter I never said Hill or Davis was better than Wilson. However you have no clue if he would have stayed healthy here or thrived under shotty. So I stand by my statement it's easy to say things you never have to prove or defend

And next time you wanna call someone out for being juvenile and insulting players be sure to check thst the event happend just some advice no offense intended

 

[Boston Ram]

You really believe Hill would have had a better chance of winning? Hill isn't in the same league as Wilson, IMO, obviously.

Agree again, my point was if Hill starts the games Davis did we are around 9-7 most likely and competing for a playoff spot. We are a good QB away from being a playoff team. The way our team is built we need a good QB not great. Seattle is a playoff team if Wilson is hurt and Jackson is starting at QB. There a better team with Wilson, but can win without him.

If there is no Lynch and an average defense, Russell Wilson is barely a topic of any conversation. He is the right QB for the right team at the moment, time will tell is he can elevate his game.

 

[shaunpinney]

Please do show me where I bashed Wilson at all.

As stated it's easy to say hey look at Wilson and his success we should have picked him see I told you so.

As far as the latter I never said Hill or Davis was better than Wilson. However you have no clue if he would have stayed healthy here or thrived under shotty. So I stand by my statement it's easy to say things you never have to prove or defend

And next time you wanna call someone out for being juvenile and insulting players be sure to check thst the event happend just some advice no offense intended

Thank you for the advice Rabid Ram, true you may not have directly bashed Wilson, however the tone of your post did come across like that, if this wasn't your intention then I do apologise, however I don't believe that I said we should have picked him, and it wasn't an I told you so moment, for the record i don't think Fisher would have selected Wilson, he's not tall enough for him, again IMO.

However, RR, you also have no clue if he would have stayed healthy or not, or thrived, or not under Schotty and Fish, you also stand by these statements, so its therefore as easy for you to stand by your statement as it is for me to stand by mine, neither of us can prove anything.

It's all just personal opinion, my opinion, which I was sharing with the rest of the forum.

And trust me, it takes an awful lot to offend me, so no need to worry

 

[shaunpinney]

Agree again, my point was if Hill starts the games Davis did we are around 9-7 most likely and competing for a playoff spot. We are a good QB away from being a playoff team. The way our team is built we need a good QB not great. Seattle is a playoff team if Wilson is hurt and Jackson is starting at QB. There a better team with Wilson, but can win without him.

If there is no Lynch and an average defense, Russell Wilson is barely a topic of any conversation. He is the right QB for the right team at the moment, time will tell is he can elevate his game.

Or would have the opposition worked out a way to get inside Hill's head, we'll never know... I think Hill's a good BACKUP for a couple of games, but I don't want to see us going in to a season with him as our main option.

I agree Lynch would be a bigger loss than Wilson, that guy can win games on his own!

 

[RhodyRams]

let me ask you for an honest answer to a simple question.

If the Rams had Wilson under centre - do you think we'd have had a winning season, if not reached the playoffs in the last 2 seasons?

My answer is a resounding YES.

yes... because Wilson is a better QB than Hill, Davis, and whoever played the last 9 games in 2013

 

[jap]

Why do so many have a problem with that wascally Wussell Wilson? Why he's my favorite 'Hawk!

 

[DaveFan'51]

I hate the team with every fibre in my body. Sherman, Lynch... All those guys. freak those guys.

It really pained me to see Sherman playing in such obvious pain!! ( NOT REALLY, I was .. )

Our defense has been a pain in his ass more than he has been a pain to them.

Glad to see someone is paying attention to this ^ Fact!

Yeah, but if Reggie Jackson strikes out 4 times and makes an error in right field, but hits a homer in the bottom of the 10th . .. he's a hero, not a goat.

If not for the Fake field goal, and the on-sides kick, Wilson would have never had a shot at the WIN! He SUCKED up to that point!

Marshawn Lynch won this game, end of story.

Read the above and insert Lynch's name in place of Wilson's!

 

[Cory]

I see a lot of credit givin because they are winning. I do think without him they would still have to find a good enough qb to get it done, or they wind up like us. That is where I have respect for what he brings.

My problem is when people want to call him elite. he is not that. To me, he is good enough to get it done on a great team. His numbers look pretty good when you look at them to end the season. Break them down game by game and nothing screams great qb. When they win big they get scores from either or both the defense and special teams. When all your qb has to do is not turn the ball over and get 1 td or 2 td's it is much easier for that qb to win.

I just look at his game log and I see so many 2 td 0 int, 2 td 1 int, 1 td 0 int, and 1 td 1 int games that they win. Then when I watch him, he makes one throw great. He will always check into verticals on cover 0 or cover 1. He will hit that throw 9 times out of 10. That is his throw.

 

[LACHAMP46]

Russell Wilson has talent, if you can't see it, well some people are just blinded by jealousy....We'd be a playoff team with a QB as good as him....Easily....

 

[-X-]

Russell Wilson has talent, if you can't see it, well some people are just blinded by jealousy....We'd be a playoff team with a QB as good as him....Easily....

I respectfully disagree, but with this caveat. We'd be a playoff team if we had him and ran a zone read offense. He wouldn't be quite as effective in this offense anymore than Bradford would be a good QB running their kind of offense. He's (they're) constantly in the bottom of the league in passing attempts and tops in rushing attempts. And that includes the amount of times that Russell pulls it down and runs himself. Teams have to account for him all the time, and he's most dangerous when passing plays are dead and he buys time through scrambling that allows receivers to adjust their routes down field. Receivers getting open during the pitch phase of their game is also a staple of that offense. Accounting for Lynch all the time, but also accounting for Wilson on those zone read options of his, almost always pulls defenders off receivers and allows them to get open.

We don't do any of that, because our QBs aren't a danger to run it or break tackles if they did.

 

[-X-]

You could put any other average qb on the Seattle and they would still win. Wilson is nothing special, he just got lucky to be drafted on the right team.

I don't think that's the case. They had some pretty average QBs on that team before he got there.
He's just the perfect fit for what they do, and it's their good fortune for finding him (and signing Lynch).

 

[LACHAMP46]

he's most dangerous when passing plays are dead and he buys time through scrambling that allows receivers to adjust their routes down field.

Well, lets look at his final 2 passing attempts from yesterday...The guy can throw from the pocket, but is also dangerous when scrambling....Reminds me of Tarkenton....or Aaron Rodgers....
I always go back to his play at Wisconsin...dude is a competitor...simple as that.

 

[-X-]

Well, lets look at his final 2 passing attempts from yesterday...The guy can throw from the pocket, but is also dangerous when scrambling....Reminds me of Tarkenton....or Aaron Rodgers....
I always go back to his play at Wisconsin...dude is a competitor...simple as that.

I'm not disagreeing that he's a good QB or that he can throw from the pocket. I just disagreed with the notion that all we'd have to do is add him and we'd be a playoff team.
It's not as simple as that. You'd need Bevell and some new linemen as well.

 

[ram007]

I'm not disagreeing that he's a good QB or that he can throw from the pocket. I just disagreed with the notion that all we'd have to do is add him and we'd be a playoff team.
It's not as simple as that. You'd need Bevell and some new linemen as well.

You are right on about Bevell. He seems to get no credit. Almost unfair. I hope he gets a HC job this year (not likely) but deserves it.

 

[DaveFan'51]

I'm not disagreeing that he's a good QB or that he can throw from the pocket. I just disagreed with the notion that all we'd have to do is add him and we'd be a playoff team.
It's not as simple as that. You'd need Bevell and some new linemen as well.

I think your 'Spot-On' with this X! ( P.S. I like your New refined Avatar!!)